Greenbrowser 1.8 (build 1101) upgrade

Xenu · Nov 2, 2003

English version (zip file)
http://www.morequick.com/indexen.htm

Look under 'Download' category for the (english) 1.8 version (build
1101), not at top of the page where bold type gives the impression 1.7
is the latest, which it isn't for the english version.

The author doesn't give a release date and I've seen no mention of the
upgrade after a find check on ACF or google/groups/advanced/ACF. 1.8
is also available in Chinese and French. There's no mention of 1.8
being 'beta' from what I can tell.

Extensive helpfile with hotkeys:
http://www.morequick.com/GreenBrowserHelp.htm

I use Greenbrowser as one of my secondary browser choices inside
Optool 1.2 (tray) when Opera 2.1 gets screwy or doesn't render images
which unfortunately happens a lot, especially when using
google/images/search.

Here's Optool 1.2 if you're an Opera user interested in giving GB a
shot as a backup browser. Optool opens other browsers as well inside
the tray:
http://www.kreacom.dk/tools/optool/

I find Greenbrowser to be a reliable work horse when needed and 1.8
appears to be faster than 1.7 as to menu and connectivity speeds. It's
definitely worth a try as an IE shell, imo. [495 kb]

omega · Nov 2, 2003

Xenu <[email protected]>:
[snip]

Has Greenbrowser stopped being payware?

Harvey Van Sickle · Nov 2, 2003

On 02 Nov 2003, omega wrote

Xenu <[email protected]>:
[snip]

Has Greenbrowser stopped being payware?

The download page says:

Our software is free to download and use. If you think it is
good and want to support our work! It's welcome for you to
donate. After that, we will provide best support and version
free update for you! Thanks for your support!

I'd expect that to mean that free use of the existing version is OK,
but that it comes with no support and no guarantee that future version
upgrades will remain free.

If that's accurate, it seems to fall within freeware, but will
eventually come within the pricelessware catergory of "last free
version was x.xx".

omega · Nov 2, 2003

Harvey Van Sickle said:
On 02 Nov 2003, omega wrote

The download page says:

Our software is free to download and use. If you think it is
good and want to support our work! It's welcome for you to
donate. After that, we will provide best support and version
free update for you! Thanks for your support!

On every startup, it demands money from you. The download page is deceptive.

Actually, the whole operation is deceptive. For instance, he brags about his
exe being smaller than other similar browsers. He compressed it! FEH!

Most offensive: He took opens source (Changyou's MyIE 3.2); made trivial
modifications to that (such as UPX'ing the exe, d'oh); mis-presents it
as freeware; and it is shareware. Shareware of the most crippled sort at
that: can you imagine a default browser that forces you to click past a
send-money-nag every one of the 200x a day you launch it?

Ok. Rant done. I feel better.

And I'm still leaving it open: Maybe Greenbrowser might one day become actual
freeware. Just I'd bet 900:1 not. Developer like that is not the sort to ever
do anything pure.

Ok. This time I think I mean it> Rant done.

My Name · Nov 2, 2003

English version (zip file)
http://www.morequick.com/indexen.htm

Look under 'Download' category for the (english) 1.8
version (build 1101), not at top of the page where bold
type gives the impression 1.7 is the latest, which it isn't
for the english version.

The author doesn't give a release date and I've seen no
mention of the upgrade after a find check on ACF or
google/groups/advanced/ACF. 1.8 is also available in
Chinese and French. There's no mention of 1.8 being 'beta'
from what I can tell.

Extensive helpfile with hotkeys:
http://www.morequick.com/GreenBrowserHelp.htm

I use Greenbrowser as one of my secondary browser choices
inside Optool 1.2 (tray) when Opera 2.1 gets screwy or
doesn't render images which unfortunately happens a lot,
especially when using google/images/search.

Here's Optool 1.2 if you're an Opera user interested in
giving GB a shot as a backup browser. Optool opens other
browsers as well inside the tray:
http://www.kreacom.dk/tools/optool/

I find Greenbrowser to be a reliable work horse when needed
and 1.8 appears to be faster than 1.7 as to menu and
connectivity speeds. It's definitely worth a try as an IE
shell, imo. [495 kb]

Thanks for the post.
It looks to me like the latest english version is this link:
http://www.morequick.com/GreenBrowser.zip
From this page:
http://www.morequick.com/indexen.htm

My Name · Nov 2, 2003

On every startup, it demands money from you. The download
page is deceptive.

Actually, the whole operation is deceptive. For instance,
he brags about his exe being smaller than other similar
browsers. He compressed it! FEH!

Most offensive: He took opens source (Changyou's MyIE 3.2);
made trivial modifications to that (such as UPX'ing the
exe, d'oh); mis-presents it as freeware; and it is
shareware. Shareware of the most crippled sort at that: can
you imagine a default browser that forces you to click past
a send-money-nag every one of the 200x a day you launch it?

Ok. Rant done. I feel better.

And I'm still leaving it open: Maybe Greenbrowser might one
day become actual freeware. Just I'd bet 900:1 not.
Developer like that is not the sort to ever do anything
pure.

Ok. This time I think I mean it> Rant done.

Whew! What a boatload of negativity. Obviously i hadn't read it
before my original post. The past versions I had didn't nag. Oh
well.

Gordon Darling · Nov 2, 2003

On 02 Nov 2003, omega wrote

Xenu <[email protected]>:
[snip]

Has Greenbrowser stopped being payware?

Click to expand...

The download page says:

Our software is free to download and use. If you think it is
good and want to support our work! It's welcome for you to
donate. After that, we will provide best support and version
free update for you! Thanks for your support!

FileForum still lists it as Shareware

http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail.php3?fid=1051151004

GreenBrowser 1.80 Build 1101
User Rating: 4.5/5
Author: MoreQuick
Program Type: Shareware

File Description:

GreenBrowser is a multiple window web browser. Includes features such as
Quick Key, Collector, Mouse Gesture, Mouse Drag, Ad Filter, Search Engine,
Page Back Color, Toolbar Skin, Proxy, Tab Bar, Auto Scroll, Auto Save,
Auto Fill Form, Start Mode, etc.

Changes in Current Version:
Fixed focus lost bug
Fixed "enter" not work bug

Regards
Gordon

dkg_ctc · Nov 2, 2003

On every startup, it demands money from you.

It doesn't display that behavior here...

The download page is deceptive.

Not that I've seen yet on build 1.8 build 1101.

Actually, the whole operation is deceptive. For instance, he brags
about his exe being smaller than other similar browsers. He
compressed it! FEH!

I guess I'm not sure how that's deceptive...

Most offensive: He took opens source (Changyou's MyIE 3.2); made
trivial modifications to that (such as UPX'ing the exe, d'oh);

The fact that there are bug fixes, new versions, etc, etc, seems to
imply that if it is based on MyIE 3.2 (I haven't been able to find a
version to compare the two), it's not just

mis-presents it as freeware; and it is shareware.

As far as I can tell, that's an unsubstantiated claim...

Shareware of the most crippled sort at that: can you imagine a
default browser that forces you to click past a send-money-nag
every one of the 200x a day you launch it?

See above.

Ok. Rant done. I feel better.

And I'm still leaving it open: Maybe Greenbrowser might one day
become actual freeware. Just I'd bet 900:1 not. Developer like
that is not the sort to ever do anything pure.

I don't know...you've made all sorts of claims which seem either
inaccurate or unsubstantiated...

omega · Nov 2, 2003

dkg_ctc said:
It doesn't display that behavior here...

As far as I can tell, that's an unsubstantiated claim...

What "that"*? That it is shareware? It is shareware.
<[email protected]>

That it misrepresents itself as freeware? It has fooled a great many
folks around here, to start (including me until I installed). As well
as on the web (quickly assembled all-freeware links).

* Why am I having to do all this guesswork? Lazy extreme vagueness
in your references, in your entire post. If we're going to argue
this, you need to be specific.

I don't know...you've made all sorts of claims which seem either
inaccurate or unsubstantiated...

See above.

omega · Nov 2, 2003

What "that"*? That it is shareware? It is shareware.
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toomanywindows
corrected MID ref:
<[email protected]>

Ben Cooper · Nov 2, 2003

omega said:
On every startup, it demands money from you. The download page is
deceptive.

I've been using Greenbrowser for a few months. I've never
seen a nag screen.

Actually, the whole operation is deceptive. For instance, he brags
about his exe being smaller than other similar browsers. He
compressed it! FEH!

Doesn't compression make it smaller?

Most offensive: He took opens source (Changyou's MyIE 3.2); made
trivial modifications to that (such as UPX'ing the exe, d'oh);
mis-presents it
as freeware; and it is shareware. Shareware of the most crippled sort
at that: can you imagine a default browser that forces you to click
past a send-money-nag every one of the 200x a day you

launch it?

From the About box-
Our Thanks to:
ChangYou: Creator of MyIE

Seems to me they are only asking for money if you want
support.

Ben Cooper · Nov 2, 2003

Gordon said:
On 02 Nov 2003, omega wrote

Xenu <[email protected]>:
[snip]

Has Greenbrowser stopped being payware?

Click to expand...

The download page says:

Our software is free to download and use. If you think it is
good and want to support our work! It's welcome for you to
donate. After that, we will provide best support and version
free update for you! Thanks for your support!

Click to expand...

FileForum still lists it as Shareware

http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail.php3?fid=1051151004

Click to expand...

Is there a page there that shows FileForums definitions of
different wares?

omega · Nov 2, 2003

Ben Cooper said:
I've been using Greenbrowser for a few months. I've never
seen a nag screen.

There is definitevely a big & loud nag screen on the one I have, v1.1,
2003.05.29. Demanding registration. If that's not proof of shareware
status, nothing is...

Doesn't compression make it smaller?

Sure. You can zip up a 100k text file, and it becomes 10k, now smaller.
And you can (though you should not want to) use an "exe compressor" on
a PE file and make it smaller.

The only valid comparison between the EXE file sizes of two programs
is with both of them at their true sizes. (Or if compressed, same
compression method and ratio.)

MyIE2 v.07's exe is disributed uncompressed. It's 640k. True size.
Slimbowser's exe is distributed compressed. It's 1,392k. True size.

Sleipnir and Avant are distributed w\ their exes UPX'd. UPX compression
averages about 50%. I'd want to uncompress those exes, to get the right
sizes, if interested in which is the smallest exe of the group. (Which
I'm not, here, just illustrating how diff the size between compressed and
uncompressed).

Greenbrowser, he's used ASPack. With the uncompressor I tried with it,
the output shows as going from: 378k to 1,078k.

Only with the uncompressed sizes can you compare. Otherwise you're just
evaluating the compressor, irrelevant to how tight the program code is.
Any programmer compressing his exe already knows that. Makes it then very
sneaky for the Greenbrowser guy to have advertised how much smaller his
ASPack'd executable was compared to those that had not been ASPack'd.

From the About box-
Our Thanks to:
ChangYou: Creator of MyIE

ChangYou's release of MyIE source really gave way to a whole generation of
offspring. Fortunately most all of those children, within my purview, are
freeware. Exception is GreenBrowser...

Seems to me they are only asking for money if you want
support.

That's my complaint. The wording is so deceptive, that it leads one to
think that. Minute you've downloaded and opend the readme, you have the
word Register hollering at you. He's just trying to gain wide distribution
at the moment, it seems to me, his motive for trying to make it appear as
freeware.

My Name · Nov 2, 2003

That's my complaint. The wording is so deceptive, that it
leads one to think that. Minute you've downloaded and opend
the readme, you have the word Register hollering at you.
He's just trying to gain wide distribution at the moment,
it seems to me, his motive for trying to make it appear as
freeware.

I know I must be missing something here. The readme for example
in the 1.8 zip, there isn't one, which is what we're talking
about, not the 1.1.
Don't know if this'll help.

omega · Nov 2, 2003

MyIE2 v.07's exe is disributed uncompressed. It's 640k. True size.

Slimbowser's exe is distributed compressed. It's 1,392k. True size.

Slimbowser's exe is distributed UNcompressed

______

Why is that typos are invisible *until* having hit Send?

omega · Nov 2, 2003

My Name said:
omega <[email protected]> wrote in

I know I must be missing something here. The readme for example
in the 1.8 zip, there isn't one, which is what we're talking
about, not the 1.1.
Don't know if this'll help.

When I used the word "readme," I was being inexact. No file distributed
with name "readme.xxx." Instead: "GreenBrowserHelp.htm."

: How to register GreenBroser?
: 1.Go to HomePage: http://www.websamba.com/morequick, then click
: register link.
: 2.Click here, you can register GreenBrowser at regsoft.com, it's
: safe and easy.

dkg_ctc · Nov 2, 2003

ON EVERY LAUNCH:

And as I said, it doesn't display that behavior here. Let me repeat
that, since you seemed to miss it the first time.

I downloaded and installed the latest version, and it *DOES NOT* pop
up a request asking for money. Period.

|=====================================================
| GreenBrowser(1.1) is free to download and use.

*snip*

So you're basing current behavior on past versions? The current
version is 1.8; you're quoting the behavior of 1.1. Perhaps you
could try the current version and determine whether or not it exhibits
this behavior.

What "that"*? That it is shareware? It is shareware.
<[email protected]

You corrected it by pointing to message-ID
<[email protected]>

So I go to Google, and all I see is Harvey van Sickle quoting you
saying that it's payware. I don't see him confirming your claim that
it's payware.

That it misrepresents itself as freeware? It has fooled a great
many folks around here, to start (including me until I installed).
As well as on the web (quickly assembled all-freeware links).

Again, that's an unsubstantiated claim. Perhaps past versions did
this behavior...I don't know. However, I seem to have heard the claim
that past behavior has no effect on current status, so even if it WAS
past behavior to pop up a window on startup, that behavior cannot be
confirmed here with the current version.

* Why am I having to do all this guesswork? Lazy extreme vagueness
in your references, in your entire post.

Oh give me a break. If you're too lazy to read the context of the
post and reply to that, then you might as well kill-file me because I
see no need to be more specific. Rather, I see you nit-picking after
having it pointed out to you that your assessment is wrong.

If we're going to argue this, you need to be specific.

There is no argument. You claim that it pops up a window requesting
registration. I'm telling you that the current version does not do
that here. I don't see what there is to argue.

See above.

If you can read, you know what claims I'm referring to which are
inaccurate or unsubstantiated.

dkg_ctc · Nov 2, 2003

There is definitevely a big & loud nag screen on the one I have,
v1.1, 2003.05.29. Demanding registration. If that's not proof of
shareware status, nothing is...

That is ONLY proof that 1.1 is shareware, but as has been pointed
out here before, past behavior is irrelevant with current behavior.
For example, are old versions of MailWasher, jv16 Powertools, etc,
not freeware because the current versions are share/payware?
Likewise, are current versions of whatever software not freeware
because past versions were shareware?

Sure. You can zip up a 100k text file, and it becomes 10k, now
smaller. And you can (though you should not want to) use an "exe
compressor" on a PE file and make it smaller.

The only valid comparison between the EXE file sizes of two
programs is with both of them at their true sizes. (Or if
compressed, same compression method and ratio.)

No, that's not "the only valid comparison". The coders of other
browsers have the option of compressing or not. IF they choose not
to, it doesn't change the fact that GreenBrowser's executable is
smaller.

MyIE2 v.07's exe is disributed uncompressed. It's 640k. True size.
Slimbowser's exe is distributed compressed. It's 1,392k. True
size.

Sleipnir and Avant are distributed w\ their exes UPX'd. UPX
compression averages about 50%. I'd want to uncompress those exes,
to get the right sizes, if interested in which is the smallest exe
of the group. (Which I'm not, here, just illustrating how diff the
size between compressed and uncompressed).

Greenbrowser, he's used ASPack. With the uncompressor I tried with
it, the output shows as going from: 378k to 1,078k.

Only with the uncompressed sizes can you compare.

It seems that's only true to you. However you want to describe it,
however, does not make it fact. It makes it an opinion--an opinion
that at least two people seem to disagree with you about.

Otherwise you're just evaluating the compressor, irrelevant to how
tight the program code is. Any programmer compressing his exe
already knows that. Makes it then very sneaky for the Greenbrowser
guy to have advertised how much smaller his ASPack'd executable
was compared to those that had not been ASPack'd.

That's got to be the most tortured logic I've ever heard. He's not
comparing tight coding--he's comparing the size of the executable.
Period.

ChangYou's release of MyIE source really gave way to a whole
generation of offspring. Fortunately most all of those children,
within my purview, are freeware. Exception is GreenBrowser...

Because one old version supposed popped up a registration box every
time at startup. Not the current version, of course, but the
current behavior of the current version apparently has no bearing...

That's my complaint.

You're complaining about the fact that if you want support for the
product, you have to pay, but otherwise you don't? What planet are
you from? (Obviously, a planet where current behavior of software
is irrelevant, a planet where comparing EXE sizes is unfair if not
all of them use the same compression, and a planet where charging
for support of an otherwise free piece of software is wrong.)

The wording is so deceptive, that it leads one to think that.
Minute you've downloaded and opend the readme, you have the word
Register hollering at you. He's just trying to gain wide
distribution at the moment, it seems to me, his motive for trying
to make it appear as freeware.

IT IS FREEWARE!! GET OVER IT!!

dkg_ctc · Nov 2, 2003

Slimbowser's exe is distributed UNcompressed

So what? You keep repeating yourself, but it doesn't change the fact
that GreenBrowser's EXE is smaller. According to what you yourself
have said, it doesn't matter if it uses compression or not--the claim
is that the EXE file is smaller, and it is.

(By the way, where did you find this "bragging" about the EXE size? I
can't any statement regarding the EXE size on his homepage...perhaps
you could point me to it?)

omega · Nov 2, 2003

dkg_ctc said:
I downloaded and installed the latest version, and it *DOES NOT* pop
up a request asking for money. P

So it has now gone from being nag to nagless shareware.

Whoop, that's an improvement -- *for those who use shareware.*

*snip*

So you're basing current behavior on past versions? The current
version is 1.8; you're quoting the behavior of 1.1. Perhaps you
could try the current version and determine whether or not it exhibits
this behavior.

For my web browsers/s, I only want decent freeware. Not shareware. And nor
even shareware of the mysteryware sort, that has registration pop-ups in some
version and not in others. So, now, I don't have any interest in downloading.

You corrected it by pointing to message-ID
<[email protected]>

So I go to Google, and all I see is Harvey van Sickle quoting you
saying that it's payware. I don't see him confirming your claim that
it's payware.

I screwed up with the MIDs, too many windows open, plus distractions around
the house at the time. I was not trying to inconvenience.

The intended MID was <[email protected]>
Which points to a message you should have already seen, in this thread.

: http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail.php3?fid=1051151004
:
: GreenBrowser 1.80 Build 1101
: User Rating: 4.5/5
: Author: MoreQuick
: Program Type: Shareware

Oh give me a break. If you're too lazy to read the context of the
post and reply to that, then you might as well kill-file me because I
see no need to be more specific.

Your post was a mess of vagueness; and things like the random "that" above,
a disaster. Someone reading that kind of thing can only do so much, after
which, when it's from a "I feel no need to be specific" character, it is
hopeless.

If you can read, you know what claims I'm referring to which are
inaccurate or unsubstantiated.

You failed to "what claims" clear, again. The only thing you have brought
forth is that v1.8 does not have the nag screen that was in v1.1.

As to "If you can read," that kind of style of yours makes me suspect I
am dealing with an adolescent/sub-adolescent mentality. In which case,
really, don't count me into your game.

Greenbrowser 1.8 (build 1101) upgrade

Xenu

omega

Harvey Van Sickle

omega

My Name

My Name

Gordon Darling

dkg_ctc

omega

omega

Ben Cooper

Ben Cooper

omega

My Name

omega

omega

dkg_ctc

dkg_ctc

dkg_ctc

omega