grammacy vs. weight?

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Some papers give only the "weight" of the paper, not the grammacy. I don't
know what the conversion factor would be.

It seems that most HP printer drivers, when you tell it what paper you're
using, only give HP brands of paper or you can choose grammacy. But if I buy
a paper with only the weight- then what?

Joe
 
Joe said:
Some papers give only the "weight" of the paper, not the grammacy. I don't
know what the conversion factor would be.

It seems that most HP printer drivers, when you tell it what paper you're
using, only give HP brands of paper or you can choose grammacy. But if I
buy a paper with only the weight- then what?
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See http://www.papermojo.com/paper_weight_conversion.html for some
conversion tables.

Regards,
Bob Headrick, MS MVP Printing/Imaging
 
Joe said:
Some papers give only the "weight" of the paper, not the grammacy. I don't
know what the conversion factor would be.

It seems that most HP printer drivers, when you tell it what paper you're
using, only give HP brands of paper or you can choose grammacy. But if I buy
a paper with only the weight- then what?

Joe
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'grammacy' is a new word for me - does it mean grammes per square metre?
 
DaveG said:
On Tue, 09 Jan 2007 02:26:47 -0800, mike.j.harvey wrote:

(snipped)

"Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt
up after being drunk all night." Isaac Asimov
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Good one! Right, they'll say, "but evolution is only a theory"- duh....

Planes are designed based on scientific theory- but creationists don't
hesitate to fly in them.
 
"Joe" <[email protected]> said:
Some papers give only the "weight" of the paper, not the grammacy. I don't
know what the conversion factor would be.

It seems that most HP printer drivers, when you tell it what paper you're
using, only give HP brands of paper or you can choose grammacy. But if I buy
a paper with only the weight- then what?
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GSM (grams per square meter) is an absolute measurement, while "weight
in pounds" is a relative measure. There is only one weight of paper
that's 140gsm, but there are many weights of paper that are "80 pound".

Weight of paper measure in "number of pounds" depends upon the basis
size which was used to measure the paper--text, cover, index, etc. 80
pound text is way thinner than 80 pound cover, and so on.

http://www.paper-paper.com/weight.html
 
"Grammacy", or more appropriately spelled "Grammecy" is a religion where
people follow the acting career of Kelsey Grammer, who played Dr. Fraser
Crane on the American television shows "Fraser" and "Cheers", and a
strange alien on X-Men III. ;-)

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001288/

On a more serious line, "weight" of paper is today a quite confusing
system and should be put to sleep. It is really no standard at all,
since the size of the original sheet varies on the type of USE the paper
product was originally destined for.

Bond, cover, card, etc, all have differing "standard" sizes which are
used as the sheet size to determine the weight from. The metric
"weight" is based upon a standard metre square sheet, and therefore many
paper types can be compared regardless of their standard sheet size.

Art
 
Joe said:
Good one! Right, they'll say, "but evolution is only a theory"- duh....

Planes are designed based on scientific theory- but creationists don't
hesitate to fly in them.
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Strange how birds manage to fly without any theory at all, tho.
 
Arthur said:
"Grammacy", or more appropriately spelled "Grammecy" is a religion where
people follow the acting career of Kelsey Grammer, who played Dr. Fraser
Crane on the American television shows "Fraser" and "Cheers", and a
strange alien on X-Men III. ;-)
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And gramercy is a mediaeval exclamation of greeting.

And greeting is a scottish word for crying.

And Bush is used to refer to an unmentionable portion of female anatomy,
and is where you find the even more unmentionable C words..quite apt
really. ;-)
 
The Natural Philosopher said:
Joe wrote:
[...]
Good one! Right, they'll say, "but evolution is only a theory"-
duh.... Planes are designed based on scientific theory- but creationists
don't hesitate to fly in them.
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Strange how birds manage to fly without any theory at all, tho.
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No bird flies as high or as fast as a plane.
 
Arthur Entlich said:
"Grammacy", or more appropriately spelled "Grammecy" is a religion where
people follow the acting career of Kelsey Grammer, who played Dr. Fraser
Crane on the American television shows "Fraser" and "Cheers", and a
strange alien on X-Men III. ;-)

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001288/

On a more serious line, "weight" of paper is today a quite confusing
system and should be put to sleep. It is really no standard at all, since
the size of the original sheet varies on the type of USE the paper product
was originally destined for.
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Now, if only printer makers would give a longer list of paper types,
especially paper they don't produce.

Joe

(snipped)
 
And bleating is the cry of a sheep, and it's origin probably goes back
to when sheep showed up ;-)

Art
 
Arthur Entlich said:
On a more serious line, "weight" of paper is today a quite confusing
system and should be put to sleep. It is really no standard at all,
since the size of the original sheet varies on the type of USE the paper
product was originally destined for.

Bond, cover, card, etc, all have differing "standard" sizes which are
used as the sheet size to determine the weight from. The metric
"weight" is based upon a standard metre square sheet, and therefore many
paper types can be compared regardless of their standard sheet size.
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Paper weight in and of itself is very important, and cannot under any
circumstances be "put to sleep" any more than weighing beef in the store
can be "put to sleep".

However, the units used in the US should be put to sleep, and the metric
system I outlined should be used instead.

Good luck.
 
However, the units used in the US should be put to sleep, and the metric
system I outlined should be used instead.
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Agreed. 95% of the world uses metric paper sizes, only the USA (and
Canada to some extent) haven't "upgraded" yet. But what is the default
paper size selected at install time by most printer drivers? Yep, US
Letter :-)

Some do default to A4 now if they check the locale or are targeted
specifically for non-US users.
 
Elmo,

You'll do anything to disagree with me, regardless of the blatantly
obvious nature of your intent, and even when we are in total agreement.

The "English" measurement system, using inches, pounds, etc. for paper
using the antiquated variable paper sizes based upon the paper type is
what I was suggesting be "put to sleep". The metric method of measuring
paper "weight" (I use that term in quotes, because grams are considered
a measurement of "mass" rather than weight) of grams per metre square,
allows comparison between papers regardless of sheet size.

Obviously, I was suggesting that the older system of referring to paper
by weight (such as 20 pound bond paper) be "put to sleep".

Art
 
Arthur Entlich said:
Obviously, I was suggesting that the older system of referring to paper
by weight (such as 20 pound bond paper) be "put to sleep".
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No, not obviously at all.

You simply said that the concept of "paper weight" be put to rest.
Nothing could be further from the truth.

YOU knew what you meant, but think about it--plenty of people here took
you at face value rather than what you meant.

And as grams is being used as a measure of weight in this case, the
European method still relies on paper weight.
 
I have to admit I prefer letter size over A4, in terms of aesthetics, in
spite of the lack of logic in sizing of multiples.

The US and, to a lesser extent, Canada, still are a large market share.
I think both size systems will be around for many years to come.

Art
 
Elmo P. Shagnasty said:
No, not obviously at all.

You simply said that the concept of "paper weight" be put to rest.
Nothing could be further from the truth.

YOU knew what you meant, but think about it--plenty of people here took
you at face value rather than what you meant.

And as grams is being used as a measure of weight in this case, the
European method still relies on paper weight.
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Not strictly true, the European method depends on mass as Art has clearly
stated. Mass is absolute, weight is variable (affected by temperature and
pressure).

Tony
MS MVP Printing/Imaging
 
Not strictly true, the European method depends on mass as Art has clearly
stated.
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Mass per unit area, to be precise. (grams per square metre). However,
paper of the same mass per unit area can still vary tremendously in other
respects depending on its substance, density, caliper, finish, and myriad
other factors.
Mass is absolute, weight is variable (affected by temperature and
pressure).
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Gas is, yes. Paper, however, I would doubt.

--
Regards,
Nicolaas.


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