Generic or compatible ink cartridges

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Hi Ken,

I'm sure that HP do not invalidate their guarantee if u use a third party
toner cartridge. The reason I say this is I was involved in buying
thousands of toner cartridges and always recommended using cheaper
remanufactured. I have seen HP literature which allows for the use of non
HP cartridges without invalidating the warranty. Mind you they don't like
it.

We had the supplier of the remanufactured cartridges come to talk to us
about the remanufacturing process - we were impressed with the process as
they actually replace parts and refill - not just refill. The toner powder
used was 'compatible' - whatever that means.

So it must be an Epson thing to invalidate warranties so that they can sell
you more of their stuff.

The remanufactured cartridges worked as well as the original and lasted just
as long. In fact the supplier offered their own guarantee if the cartridge
resulted in a faulty printer. So we were covered all ways.

In many cases manufacturers sell cheap printers and they make their money on
expensive consumables. My Samsung printer was £70, toners are £40 ish. I
will always refill or buy copy cartridges for these reasons.

Chris
 
Measekite said: Snipped per request

The logic here is a tad flawed.

Let's assume that a refilled tank as you say costs $4 each, and gas to
get them costs $12, which assuming US prices and 30mpg be a 2 hour
drive to the next city, to get a prodct that, using your numbers of
$9/tank for OEM, or a saving of $5/unit. Odds are you are going to buy
at least 4 to 6 units, which would have a net savings of $20 to $30 per
set you buy, minus gas that's $8.00 to $18.00 for a single set. I
agree that's not a great deal but you can buy more than one set, making
it a screaming deal.

This presumes several things.
1. The cheap ink is 60 miles away and costco is 0 miles away, which
limits you to the website and tri packs of ink.
2. Costco ink is $9.00 where near as i'm aware the best deal is Canon
tripacks at $10.33/unit for dye. $11.33 for the big black. Epson is
closer to $10 each for dye/ $12.33 for for pigment in tripacks. Plus
tax, plus wear and tear on your car etc... etc.
3. That we were even talking about dye ink in the first place, when we
were talking pigment ink, which near as i'm aware was NOT reviewed by
PC world.

But let's be fair, let's assume 4 tank durabite epson printer. $34.99
for three colors by three is $104.97 plus three blacks, which well
those come in two packs for $54.99 which to be fair have more than
enough volume. 9 tanks of color and two black tanks 159.96, plus tax.


And let's revisit measkete numbers of $4.00 a unit or $44.00 for the
same amount, plus $12.00 for gas. That's $56.00 or a savings of 65%.
$103.96 isn't small change. To save wear and tear on your car, not a
problem mailordering.
the only way to make it pay is if you print so much that you change
carts every week.
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To buy at costco, you gotta buy tri-packs, or double packs. With mail
order at $4 a unit and $12 shipping you save from the get go.
 
quality inks from OEM and you know what you are buying and it is
consistent but it is expensive.
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Epson inks are not all that consistent esp when dealing with ink mfg in
US, Mexico, and Japan. You can increase your consistancy by picking
one country and going with it. But nothing is more consistant than
buying 2 to 4 oz of bulk ink as you've got the exact same ink for 4 to
9 cartridge changes.
 
Chris said:
Hi Ken,

I'm sure that HP do not invalidate their guarantee if u use a third party
toner cartridge.
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Since the printhead is on the cartridge, I suppose the only way it could
damage the printer would be by leaking?


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zakezuke said:
The logic here is a tad flawed.

Let's assume that a refilled tank as you say costs $4 each, and gas to
get them costs $12, which assuming US prices and 30mpg be a 2 hour
drive to the next city, to get a prodct that, using your numbers of
$9/tank for OEM, or a saving of $5/unit. Odds are you are going to buy
at least 4 to 6 units, which would have a net savings of $20 to $30 per
set you buy, minus gas that's $8.00 to $18.00 for a single set. I
agree that's not a great deal but you can buy more than one set, making
it a screaming deal.

This presumes several things.
1. The cheap ink is 60 miles away and costco is 0 miles away, which
limits you to the website and tri packs of ink.
2. Costco ink is $9.00 where near as i'm aware the best deal is Canon
tripacks at $10.33/unit for dye. $11.33 for the big black. Epson is
closer to $10 each for dye/ $12.33 for for pigment in tripacks. Plus
tax, plus wear and tear on your car etc... etc.
3. That we were even talking about dye ink in the first place, when we
were talking pigment ink, which near as i'm aware was NOT reviewed by
PC world.

But let's be fair, let's assume 4 tank durabite epson printer. $34.99
for three colors by three is $104.97 plus three blacks, which well
those come in two packs for $54.99 which to be fair have more than
enough volume. 9 tanks of color and two black tanks 159.96, plus tax.


And let's revisit measkete numbers of $4.00 a unit or $44.00 for the
same amount, plus $12.00 for gas. That's $56.00 or a savings of 65%.
$103.96 isn't small change. To save wear and tear on your car, not a
problem mailordering.




To buy at costco, you gotta buy tri-packs, or double packs. With mail
order at $4 a unit and $12 shipping you save from the get go.
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Last year I printed quite a bit; lots of photos, personal projects,
greeting cards, etc. I used about 10 sets of cartridges. At OEM prices
that would have been about CAD $1,000. But, by using bulk ink my cost
was CAD $134.00 and I still had ink left over after the year. I saved
about $866, enough to buy almost 7 new printers. I had no clogging, no
failed printer, and more ink than I know what to do with. It's better
than playing the lotteries... where I NEVER win!

This year, however, I've cut out the greeting cards (except for 1 or two
major holidays) and all personal projects except one. And that one
doesn't require massive amounts of ink, just plain text mostly, and just
once a month. Accordingly, I have moved away from the large bulk bottles
of my previous dealer to the 2 oz kits from HobbiColors.

-Taliesyn
 
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Last year I printed quite a bit; lots of photos, personal projects,
greeting cards, etc.
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like i said the heavy printers (and some do not realize just how heavy
they print) where the ink does not have time to dry in the printhead
most of the time is just like i said. some of the less crappy quality
ink may survive fir a while as pcworld tests results show but over time
it will happen. just like this is not your original printhead.
 
Ed said:
Since the printhead is on the cartridge, I suppose the only way it could
damage the printer would be by leaking?
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yes and that has happened. also the quality of a used printhead may not
give optimum results.
 
See
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/genericDocument?lc=en&cc=us&docname=bpa00113
for HP's statement.
Since the printhead is on the cartridge, I suppose the only way it
could damage the printer would be by leaking?
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That would be the most common, but damage could also happen if the
refill ink was incompatible with the printer components such as the
service station. It is possible that this could leave residue on the
wipers or caps which could affect printing even after the cartridges
were replaced.

- Bob Headrick
 
Measekite said: Snipped per request

So what you are saying is aftermarket ink offers superior drytime?
Where is this pcworld test? Got a link?

Don't get me wrong, I think you sir are full of it, which is quite sad.
The PC world test didn't give favorable marks to many inks, nor did
they test any pigments, and it is sadly out of date. But I don't seem
to remember it speaking about the ink dry time.
 
zakezuke said:
So what you are saying is aftermarket ink offers superior drytime?
Where is this pcworld test? Got a link?

Don't get me wrong, I think you sir are full of it, which is quite sad.
The PC world test didn't give favorable marks to many inks, nor did
they test any pigments, and it is sadly out of date. But I don't seem
to remember it speaking about the ink dry time.
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PC World? That moron meashershithead gets his ink info from PC World?
No wonder the idiot knows nothing at all about ink, paper or printers.
What a loser!
Frank
 
Frank said:
PC World? That moron meashershithead gets his ink info from PC World?
No wonder the idiot knows nothing at all about ink, paper or printers.
What a loser!
Frank
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I check the PC World site as well as more geek-oriented ones.

You will miss a crucial piece of information that will change your computing
life for the better.

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Ed said:
I check the PC World site as well as more geek-oriented ones.

You will miss a crucial piece of information that will change your computing
life for the better.
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he is always talking about himself. pcworld is reputable. one the
things i do not like is they include price as part of their
recommendaitons. many times i do not care what something costs until i
first determince what are the best choices and why. and they do not
always tell you why they choose one item over the other.

but they do state that generic ink sucks.
 
Ed said:
I check the PC World site as well as more geek-oriented ones.

You will miss a crucial piece of information that will change your computing
life for the better.
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Sorry Ed, but I trust the word of experienced users such as myself (over
10 yrs) and others in this ng for real life experience and advice.
Something the mags simply cannot provide. The mags do testing on what
they are paid to test by the majors. It's where they get their
advertising $'s on which they survive.
Read them with a grain of salt.
Frank
 
Hey thanks one and all about the INK question.
We seem to have drifted off track slightly now. What with transport costs to
get ink and magazine reports yuk.

I have looked at magazine reports and I think they are a little on the
favour sides of the advertisers. Just look at their tests on software
programs. i.e:

Registry cleaners and optimisers for registry. In a lot of the PC magazines
UK, Australia and New Zealand that i have looked at, they will say that
Regfix or similar titles are "the number one" or Top of programs for
cleaning your Registry.
I tried them all CRAP. Oh yes they will find things in the registry but I
tried a small quiet registry program that even found more and did a better
job of cleaning out the registry too. It is called

"Advanced Registry & Cleaner" by SysTweak

Ken
 
Calidad inks

Yes I have used them for many years in my HP670 and HP690 printers. I never
had a problem with clogging at all.

ken
 
Ed said:
I check the PC World site as well as more geek-oriented ones.

You will miss a crucial piece of information that will change your computing
life for the better.
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One other very important point Ed is that they have never ever tested
any of the excellent quality after market inks that are available.
And I'm not talking about "generic" bulk trash inks that hardly anybody
uses. I'm talking about the really excellent inks such as MIS and
Hobbiecolors.
These inks rival/beat oem inks.

Frank
 
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