generic inks

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TJ said:
I think "universal" is the term for ink that's supposed to work in any
printer.
correct

"Generic" means there is no brand name on the package.
correect

A "brand" doesn't have to be OEM,
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incorrect

Lyson is a brand. Sensinent is a wholsale brand but not retail
despite what our resident troll will tell you. "LD Products" is a
brand. "Hobbicolors" is a brand.
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incorrect hoddycolors is a relabeler and an ebay one at that who
personally told me they are afraid to disclose what they sell cause
people like the ones in this ng will go around them and buy from their
supplier.
"Staples" is a brand.
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staples is a store brand or what is known as a private brand but not a
real brand in the sense of a mfg/formulator
"4inkjets" is a brand.
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wrong again they are a relabeler
"Inktec" is a brand. I could go on and on, but you'll be glad to hear
that I won't.

As with any product, some aftermarket brands are better for specific
purposes than others. Use the recommendations of this ng as a starting
point,
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and then you can expect to get all of the problems that you read about
in this ng including clogging and fading
 
measekite said:
Lyson is a brand. Sensinent is a wholsale brand but not retail
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This is a historic day... Measekite admits Lyson is a brand. Granted
I've never used their product, but at least Measekite finally admits
it's a brand.

Measekite defines an ink-brand as a product who's manufacturered and
forumated by the same company and sold in multiable channels, which
Epson, Canon, and HP don't qualify.
 
zakezuke said:
This is a historic day... Measekite admits Lyson is a brand. Granted
I've never used their product, but at least Measekite finally admits
it's a brand.

Measekite defines an ink-brand as a product who's manufacturered and
forumated by the same company and sold in multiable channels, which
Epson, Canon, and HP don't qualify.
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but formulabs does! Alotofthings identifies it as formulabs ink and sells
it as such.
 
measekite said:
incorrect

Lyson is a brand. Sensinent is a wholsale brand but not retail
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WHAT????

Are you saying a brand name has to be OEM?

Another useless post. Your only about 400 post from 6000!!!! In 1 year.
Get a girlfriend...a life...PLEASE.
 
Ian said:
Are you saying a brand name has to be OEM?
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Actually he's saying that an OEM is not a brand because they don't
actually make the ink. They likely formulate it, they might even have
their own people do quality control, but since they don't actually make
the ink them selves OEM is not a brand, it's a relabel. That's what
he's saying.

Now OEM does tend to work pretty well, and though it doesn't quality as
a brand in the Measekite universe It's a perfectly fine choice for your
printing needs if a tad spendy costing 50% to 90% more than other
solutions which are actually brands according to Measekite.
 
Hi All, I have a 9 mos. Canon IP 3000 and works like a charm. Great support
from company. Anyway, I use generic inks and haven't had many problems in
the past. My print head just clogged up and had to be replaced under
warranty. The repair tech said it was due to the generic inks. I mentioned
to him that Staples pushes the generic ink when I bought it and of course
the generic ink supplier says it is a bogus excuse.

My question is the obvious: are generic inks safe?

Also, I keep my printer and extra ink cartridges in a non-air conditioned
home and it gets hot upstairs. Does this affect the ink flow?

tks all


bw
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Can't respond on all the questions, my experience is with a different
model Canon (the i950) and different brand refill ink, and in an air
conditioned home.

However, in spite of what the "jerk expert" on here constantly
preaches, I got 30 months of very heavy usage on all 6 ORIGINAL Canon
cartridges, being refilled frequently with MIS inks. That is before
the print head finally BEGAN failing. This 30 months usage consisted
mostly of printing 8 X 10 color photos, several hundred to be exact.
Only rarely did I do a head cleaning, only when banding appeared.
When the head began failing, I unwittingly hastened its demise by
trying all sorts of vigorous head cleaning tricks, including the use
of a jeweler's ultra-sonic cleaner. In my opinion that was the death
blow! Or perhaps flushing various cleaning solutions thru the nozzles
with syringe attached via short tubing to each filter. Regardless,
all this was useless - the head HAD already started failed! And all I
did was complete the process! Replacing the head and starting with
all new Canon OEM cartridges solved my problem completely and
immediately.

I will resume refilling these NEW Canon cartridges just as before, and
hopefully can get another 30 months and up to 400 prints with this new
printhead. Whichever comes first!!! And at that point, if the
printer is still functioning, I have another replacement print head
already purchased. One other point I believe I learned - there may
really be justification to using only Canon OEM cartridges for refill,
since I did have some premature failures using substitute empty
cartridges. Another point I learned is - cap the bottom of the Canon
cartridges quickly when removed for refilling, don't let that outlet
get dried out.

Olin McDaniel
 
staples is a store brand or what is known as a private brand but not a
real brand in the sense of a mfg/formulator
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But that doesn't necessarily make them bad.

Many store brand products are made alongside non-store brand products, EG,
Kenmore appliances are, or at least where, Whirlpool, out Kenmore microwave
is made by Goldstar.

Much of the Chinese made electronics (and other products) aren't made by
the brands, but by nameless (to us) factories, under contract from a brand,
and often of a design by the factory (called ODMs).
 
but you do know just like pcworld says would happen. thisis why i use
canon prefilled carts.

he was 100% correct.

no the relabelers do not disclose what they are selling you and you
never know what you are getting. www.pcworld.com had a report on
generic inks and they do not recommend them for the reason you are
experiencing. also www.wilhelm.com completed an extensive report
detailing how generic inks fade rapidly.

bewareof the many posters in this ng who have alligences to the generic
relabelers for a number of reasons including employment and financial.

i would stick with what your tech advised you and not ruin a second
printhead.

now it is possible to beat the system with some genric inks if your
printload is super substantial so the ink will never get a chance to dry
in the head and if it does (it will eventually) you got enough use out
of it to economically come out ahead.

i do not have a problem with my ip4000 and i used canon oem ink and
never had even to do a minor head cleaning. i would say my printload is
average.
 
Gary said:
@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com:




But that doesn't necessarily make them bad.

Many store brand products are made alongside non-store brand products, EG,
Kenmore appliances are, or at least where, Whirlpool, out Kenmore microwave
is made by Goldstar.
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half right. kenmore is made by whirlpool (and others) but to sears
specifications. the spec for whirlpool is different.
 
measekite said:
bewareof the many posters in this ng who have alligences to the generic
relabelers for a number of reasons including employment and financial.
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Yes, it's a conspiracy. I have some hidden agenda when I say i've used
MIS ink, and just bought hobbicolors, and that i'd consider buying
formulabs. It's part of my master plan for dorld womination, and I
would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for Measekite and his dumb
dog..
i do not have a problem with my ip4000 and i used canon oem ink and
never had even to do a minor head cleaning. i would say my printload is
average.
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You also lie. Now I'm willing to believe that someone with an ip4000
can have no problems over the period of a year. In fact, I have a
friend with a s520 who claims to have no problems. His color was
actually clogged, and he always always used OEM. But he had the
printer for at least a few years. But the printhead cleans it self
automaticly if you don't print for a while,

Now on a $65 printer I printed 13 cartridges worth of color, there and
abouts of 8 black before I had issues. It's way beyond canon's offical
end of life numbers, and they replaced the printhead for free, same
with my mp760 which clogged much more badly on OEM ink. But on these
issues I blame excessive photo printing and a lack of text printing.
Same problem on two printers, different ink, but similar habbits. And
actually, the ip3000 sat for a few weeks because I bought a ip5200.

But let's say I for example blew my head because of the aftermarket
ink. That's about 374.4 in color ink, about $96 in black and white
ink. $470.40
The ink cost $33.95 for the kit with blank cartridges and 2oz of ink
each tank, plus one 4oz set for $32.00. Shipping each time was $10ish,
so there and abouts of $66 in ink.
$470.40 minus $66 = $404.44.

I printed 836 discs, covers, as well as a slew of photographs, and I
saved $400. I saved more than enough to buy another printer. And as
you said, you save so much money you can have a pizza once a month and
send your kid to prom.
 
Many people are probably not aware of this, but the relatively "new"
higher end appliance manufacturer "LG" is a reincarnation of the Korean
company "Lucky Goldstar" or, as we knew it here, Goldstar, which used to
be considered a cheap end appliance company. Amazing how a change of
name can make such a difference... ;-)

In fairness, Goldstar developed into a higher quality company and
retargeted the price point they wanted to address. It seems to have
worked for the most part.

Art
 
Arthur said:
Many people are probably not aware of this, but the relatively "new"
higher end appliance manufacturer "LG" is a reincarnation of the Korean
company "Lucky Goldstar" or, as we knew it here, Goldstar, which used to
be considered a cheap end appliance company. Amazing how a change of
name can make such a difference... ;-)

In fairness, Goldstar developed into a higher quality company and
retargeted the price point they wanted to address. It seems to have
worked for the most part.

Art
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Even in days of yore (define "yore"), Goldstar could make a good item if
they felt like it. I had a microwave oven that was built like a tank.
Both Goldstar and Samsung were sourcing to RCA/GE (Thomson: a French
company). They've come up in quality. The brand that was truly the
bottom-scraper was Daewoo; my bench technician despised their products
(I recall that he fixed a dangerous microwave oven and a dangerous
television). He especially hated Sony, and for very good reasons. I just
saw a Samsung microwave -- the box said "China." There goes the
neighborhood...

Now, what I really want is another Japanese washing machine that I once
bought from JC Penney. It had a little gently-ribbed nubbin at the
bottom that whirled fast -- what I really liked about it was that it was
gentle to the clothing, unlike my recent Whirlpool-Sears; with its
direct-drive motor, the thing is violent.

If I could buy, let's say, a Korean copy of my old Japanese washer in
Oakland California (maybe in Korea Town), I'd be a happy camper.

Uh, isn't this the washing machine newsgroup?

Richard
 
Richard Steinfeld said:
Even in days of yore (define "yore"), Goldstar could make a good item if
they felt like it. I had a microwave oven that was built like a tank. Both
Goldstar and Samsung were sourcing to RCA/GE (Thomson: a French company).
They've come up in quality. The brand that was truly the bottom-scraper
was Daewoo; my bench technician despised their products (I recall that he
fixed a dangerous microwave oven and a dangerous television). He
especially hated Sony, and for very good reasons. I just saw a Samsung
microwave -- the box said "China." There goes the neighborhood...

Now, what I really want is another Japanese washing machine that I once
bought from JC Penney. It had a little gently-ribbed nubbin at the bottom
that whirled fast -- what I really liked about it was that it was gentle
to the clothing, unlike my recent Whirlpool-Sears; with its direct-drive
motor, the thing is violent.

If I could buy, let's say, a Korean copy of my old Japanese washer in
Oakland California (maybe in Korea Town), I'd be a happy camper.

Uh, isn't this the washing machine newsgroup?

Richard
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Mousepoop will most likely claim the reason you no longer have your trusty
old Japanese washer from JC Penney is because you used non-OEM washing
powder instead of JC Penny labeled detergent.
 
drc023 said:
Mousepoop will most likely claim the reason you no longer have your trusty
old Japanese washer from JC Penney is because you used non-OEM washing
powder instead of JC Penny labeled detergent.
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I maintain that the reason my 1952 Case SC farm tractor is still going
strong is the judicious use of aftermarket repair parts over the years,
a practice started by my grandfather. The same is true of my 1969
International Harvester 424 farm tractor. We even made some of the parts
that work the best ourselves.

TJ
 
half right. kenmore is made by whirlpool (and others) but to sears
specifications. the spec for whirlpool is different.
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The specs being mostly aesthitic, if anything, not functional.
 
TJ said:
I maintain that the reason my 1952 Case SC farm tractor is still going
strong is the judicious use of aftermarket repair parts over the years,
a practice started by my grandfather. The same is true of my 1969
International Harvester 424 farm tractor. We even made some of the parts
that work the best ourselves.
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[measekite mode] Ah, but a printer is more complex than a tractor...
and tractors cost less. If you clog a head on your tractor, you just
go out and buy another one. You'd really be up the river without a
paddle if your printer clogs. Besides, it's not like your income
depends on your tractor, days, weeks, or months of tractor downtime is
no big deal. But if your printer goes down, your not only out the
money you paid for your printer, but you are losing money every day you
are not printing. And we all know that if you put John Deer oil in
your SC it will not explode... and in the unlikely event it does you
can just reassemble it with JB-weld. But that aftermarket ink, if it
touches your printer the whole thing will spontaneously combust, and
you can't JB-weld it together, you have to OEM-weld it together.

Here is an image of someone who used aftermarket ink in an HP.
http://www.hnd.usace.army.mil/pao/CEAInfo/Explosion Photo.JPG
Still think you'd save money with aftermarket ink?

A brief review

1. Printers cost more than tractors
2. Printer downtime costs more than tractors
3. Aftermarket ink will result in explosion

[/measekite mode] <I think my brain just melted>
 
Gary said:
totally incorrect
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Is it? Show me a case where it is. The last batch of Kenmore branded
Maytag dryers I picked up shared identical parts with the Maytag
model... I know this because they all failed in the exact same way. I
don't know about my current dryer as I've not had a chance to fix it.
 
TJ said:
I maintain that the reason my 1952 Case SC farm tractor is still going
strong is the judicious use of aftermarket repair parts over the years,
a practice started by my grandfather. The same is true of my 1969
International Harvester 424 farm tractor. We even made some of the parts
that work the best ourselves.
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But TJ, country people have always been more resourceful and practical
than townees (and I say this as a townee!) Strangely, I would rather
have a farmer fix my computer or peripherals than many of the computer
'experts' who post on here. I think farmers are a wonderful breed who
seem to pick up a variety of technical and practical skills. Just a pity
that modern surface layer components don't like welders! Still, here you
are on the Net so that again shows the sense of enterprise and being
able to adapt. More power to you! (raises cap... examines pate... puts
cap back on quickly...)
 
I don't care what measekite says. He is a waste of energy. I will only
buy aftermarket ink. That's my right, I live in a free country.
 
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