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Yes, I do, and thank you very much. I almost didn't want to come back to
this thread, but I'm glad I did now.
Eleanor
 
she wasn't like that till Vocational and Technical made fun of her pictures
of a mudbath. It might sound odd but it was something I noticed.
Don't let him win Eleanor!
 
that's a hell of a tip. that's getting dragged. (I have a folder called fp
tips, every time I see a good post I drag it in. I figured if I ever get
time I could cut and paste their contents into a page or db or something, so
people can use it.
 
Imagine pictures of taking mud baths..."Imagination...is the irrepressible
revolutionist."

That Ole' VoTecEdu needs to stay in The South !
 
Eleanor:

Thank you for accepting my apologies. You are a much better person than I
can ever be. Welcome back and please do continue to contribute in this or
any other newsgroup you desire. You have taken a big load off my chest. If I
could reach you, I would give you a big friendly hug. This world is full of
hate-mongers and for a brief moment, I became one of them. Once again, I am
very sorry for my extremely immature (and that's an understatement)
behavior.

Regards,
Joe

E. T. Culling said:
Yes, I do, and thank you very much. I almost didn't want to come back to
this thread, but I'm glad I did now.
Eleanor
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Not on MS servers.
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| Tom I've done it.
| ( or at least I thought I did )
|
| --
| using 2k PRO but....95isalive
| This site is best viewed............
| .......................with a computer
|
| | > However, you cannot cancel posts on the MS server. They don't allow it.
| > sorry, Steve.
| > --
| > -----
| > Tom P. Willett
| > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
| > http://microsoft.com/frontpage
| > To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
| > http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
| > ----
| > | > | Jim,
| > | In the future if you ever "toss up"
| > | a post that you wish you hadn't,
| > | ( we all have at one time or another )
| > | refresh the newsgroup until the post
| > | appears, click once to hightlight it, click Messages
| > | on the Outlook Express Toolbar and select "Cancel Post"
| > |
| > | hth
| > | ;-)
| > |
| > | --
| > | using 2k PRO but....95isalive
| > | This site is best viewed............
| > | .......................with a computer
| > |
| > | | > | > Tim and JoAnn:
| > | >
| > | > Thanks for your wonderful words. I, once again, apologize for my
| > emotional
| > | > outbursts that were so out of line and out of bound. I just wish I
| could
| > | > take 'em back. I'll be fine in next couple of days but this incident
| > will
| > | > remain in my mind for a long time to come as one of the lowest
points
| of
| > | my
| > | > life. I will use it as a lesson and move on to become a much better
| > person
| > | > than I am now.
| > | >
| > | > I hope Eleanor comes back here and forgives me.
| > | >
| > | > Regards and thanks,
| > | >
| > | > Joe
| > | >
| > | > | > | > > Joe,
| > | > > Your response to all of this is huge. These newsgroups are chock
| full
| > | of
| > | > weak
| > | > > people who hide behind computers in little sad and dark rooms, and
| > spout
| > | > their
| > | > > crap out at other people. Things they would NEVER say to someone
in
| > | > person.
| > | > >
| > | > > LET ME BE VERY CLEAR HERE!!!!!!!! I AM NOT SAYING THAT ABOUT
| > | > YOU!!!!!!!!!!
| > | > >
| > | > > What I am saying is that sadly, since the inception of newsgroups,
| > | they've
| > | > just
| > | > > become a place for cowards to come and flame. This Frontpage
group
| > has
| > | > VERY
| > | > > thankfully stayed mostly on track and away from that.
| > | > >
| > | > > You did not do what I consider flaming. You had your heart and
your
| > | > intentions
| > | > > firmly in the right place. I OFTEN, oh my God, SO OFTEN, feel
like
| > | > lashing out
| > | > > at people who aren't helpful; they just say crap to see their
IDIOCY
| > on
| > | > screen.
| > | > > (Example: "Eleanor's website is about her and mudbaths, she's not
| > | getting
| > | > > attention like younger women.... blah blah blah)
| > | > > I understand your feelings in your original response/post. I
really
| > do.
| > | > Your
| > | > > points were well made, and you felt them in your heart. And as
you
| > | > clearly see
| > | > > now..... it's the personal stuff that hurts.
| > | > >
| > | > > Eleanor really is a decent woman, and I'm sure she will forgive
you.
| > It
| > | > took
| > | > > some humongous courage and sacrifice to come back in here and
| > apologize,
| > | > and I
| > | > > have a huge amount of admiration for you right now. You are
| sincere,
| > | and
| > | > I
| > | > > suspect a very wonderful person. Sometimes we make these errors
in
| > | life.
| > | > Do
| > | > > forgive yourself.
| > | > >
| > | > > Have a great rest of the weekend! :)
| > | > >
| > | > > Tim
| > | > >
| > | > >
| > | > >
| > | > >
| > | > > | > | > > Tim:
| > | > >
| > | > > You are absolutely right. I am so darned ashamed of myself that I
| > cannot
| > | > > even explain. I feel like two inches tall and a complete jerk.
What
| in
| > | the
| > | > > world was I thinking? I assure you I was not on drugs - never been
| on
| > | it.
| > | > It
| > | > > was a complete lapse of good judgment on my part and I certainly
beg
| > for
| > | > > Eleanor's apology though I don't think she will ever forgive me. I
| > have
| > | > > never felt so bad in letting my stupid, ignorant, arrogant
emotions
| > take
| > | > > over my judgment. Even if Eleanor forgives me, I will never be
able
| to
| > | > > forgive myself for reacting like a spoiled child.
| > | > >
| > | > > I know words are like shots, can't be taken back, but if there is
| any
| > | such
| > | > > thing as repentance, I will certainly do it. Eleanor, I am so
sorry.
| I
| > | > have
| > | > > just lowered my estimation about myself in my own eyes.
| > | > >
| > | > > And Tim, thank you for putting me in my place. Seriously.
| > | > >
| > | > > Joe,
| > | > > A grown-up man who acted like an idiot and a jerk but is truly,
| > | sincerely
| > | > > sorry.
| > | > >
| > | > >
| > | > > | > | > > > Joe and Eleanor,
| > | > > > Wow, Joe, quite a diatribe there. Boiling this down to its very
| > | basics,
| > | > > Eleanor
| > | > > > has never sunk to making personal attacks on people. And in
| making
| > | > > personal
| > | > > > attacks and name-calling you really show yourself to be the very
| > | person
| > | > > that you
| > | > > > claim Eleanor is (in so many words.) So you have failed
yourself
| in
| > | > that
| > | > > > regard. Secondly who made you "newsgroup cop?" Are you the
| > protector
| > | > for
| > | > > all
| > | > > > the pitiful and downtrodden newsgroup users? Eleanor has NEVER
| > | claimed
| > | > to
| > | > > be
| > | > > > Jim Buyens, and she's smart enough to know to never claim to be
| > | someone
| > | > > she
| > | > > > isn't. But YOU claim to know exactly who she is and YOU know
very
| > | > little
| > | > > about
| > | > > > her.
| > | > > > I mean what is this exactly Joe:
| > | > > >
| > | > > > .....(And please
| > | > > > don't teach me how to block a person in my mail program. I've
been
| > | using
| > | > > > computers and Internet while you were still baking cookies for
| your
| > | > > > grandkids and the only computer you had touched till then was
your
| > | blood
| > | > > > pressure monitoring machine.)....
| > | > > >
| > | > > > Have you been to Eleanor's house to see her baking cookies,
hooked
| > up
| > | to
| > | > a
| > | > > blood
| > | > > > pressure machine? See, it's attacks like that which place you
in
| > the
| > | > > great
| > | > > > pantheon of people who lower themselves to very level of which
| they
| > | are
| > | > > > condemning. Do you not understand how YOU made YOURSELF look in
| > this
| > | > post
| > | > > you
| > | > > > tendered? What qualifies you to come in here and be the
newsgroup
| > | cop?
| > | > I
| > | > > > suspect absolutely nothing. How do you act when you're not
hiding
| > | > behind
| > | > > a
| > | > > > computer screen Joe?
| > | > > >
| > | > > > PART 2.
| > | > > >
| > | > > > Hang tight Joe, I'm not letting Eleanor off either.
| > | > > >
| > | > > > Now Eleanor..... :) ....... have you ever seen the Saturday
Night
| > | Live
| > | > > skit
| > | > > > about "Your Company's Computer Guy"??? MANY and I mean MANY!
| > computer
| > | > > people
| > | > > > tend to turn into this guy. We get to that point where things
are
| > | > > absolutely
| > | > > > second nature to us, and have moved on to some really seriously
| > | complex
| > | > > stuff.
| > | > > > So when somebody asks a really trivial question that has been
| > answered
| > | > 74
| > | > > times
| > | > > > already in the past 10 days, we tend to pounce on them a little
| bit.
| > | > You
| > | > > have
| > | > > > been guilty, I have been guilty, the MVP's God bless'em are
guilty
| > | alot.
| > | > > But I
| > | > > > know their frustration.
| > | > > >
| > | > > > One of the points Joe makes is valid - to a degree - that in
being
| > | short
| > | > > with
| > | > > > people in your replies, you tend to appear as though YOU want to
| > | appear
| > | > as
| > | > > a
| > | > > > big-time expert and contributor in the eyes of other big-time
| > experts
| > | > and
| > | > > > contributors. Do you see what I'm saying? It makes you appear
as
| > | > though
| > | > > you
| > | > > > have self-declared Eleanor as being near the top of the FP user
| > | pyramid.
| > | > > But in
| > | > > > my opinion, if you are near the top, it then becomes even MORE a
| > | > > responsibility
| > | > > > to seriously be compassionate in/with your help. I really
believe
| > | that.
| > | > > >
| > | > > > Let me offer a practical observation: When I have a question,
the
| > | very
| > | > > first
| > | > > > thing I do is to go to Google Groups and look it up there. For
| you
| > | and
| > | > > me, and
| > | > > > probably Joe, that is now obvious and second nature. I have my
| OEx
| > | set
| > | > to
| > | > > > download 210 new posts each time. Well, even including old read
| > | posts,
| > | > > you're
| > | > > > only going to have about 5 or 6 days worth of the group inside
| your
| > | > > newsreader
| > | > > > anyway in a really active group. So even if a question gets
| > answered
| > | > > pretty
| > | > > > often it may not be in the newsreader still. Stay with me
| here....
| > so
| > | > > that
| > | > > > means searching in Outlook Ex for an answer is useless to me. I
| > have
| > | to
| > | > > go to
| > | > > > Google. Well, Eleanor, MANY newbies have NO IDEA that they can
| > search
| > | > > Google
| > | > > > for archives. I am constantly telling people that that exists.
| > | > > >
| > | > > > So it may well be that instead of being the expert who sort of
| wants
| > | to
| > | > > sound
| > | > > > like the expert, a more compassionate way to respond to alot of
| > these
| > | > > > over-and-over questions, is to start continually mentioning
"hey,
| > head
| > | > > over to
| > | > > > http://groups.google.com and do a search there. Sometimes I'll
| even
| > | do
| > | > > the
| > | > > > search for them, and then post the resulting URL here in the NG
| for
| > | the
| > | > > person.
| > | > > >
| > | > > > All of this has to do with being compassionate in your help,
above
| > and
| > | > > beyond
| > | > > > helpful. And as a member near the top of the heap, that is (in
my
| > | > > opinion) your
| > | > > > responsibility.
| > | > > >
| > | > > > Joe, chill out, apologize to Eleanor so we can all be happy
again.
| > | You
| > | > > made
| > | > > > some very valid and important points, but the personal stuff, I
| hope
| > | > > you'll be
| > | > > > big enough to take back.
| > | > > >
| > | > > > Eleanor, you're a good woman. Allow Joe his foibles. Try to be
| > | genuine
| > | > > and
| > | > > > compassionate in your help.
| > | > > >
| > | > > > Love to you both...
| > | > > >
| > | > > > Tim
| > | > > >
| > | > > >
| > | > > > High Tide Internet
| > | > > > http://www.hightideinternet.com
| > | > > >
| > | > > >
| > | > > > | > | > > > Yes, while I have seen your tutorials and appreciate your trying
| to
| > | help
| > | > > > novices who don't know how to properly put images on their web,
it
| > | does
| > | > > not
| > | > > > exactly make you Jim Buyens. Also, to tell people that you have
to
| > | start
| > | > > > over every time your photogallery messes up, does not make you
an
| > | expert
| > | > > in
| > | > > > FrontPage. To tell people that there is no way to prevent
someone
| > from
| > | > > > stealing your pictures from the Web also does not qualify you to
| > write
| > | a
| > | > > > Special Edition book on FrontPage. To jump every time someone
asks
| > | about
| > | > > > no-right-click to say that the effort is both futile and puerile
| may
| > | > make
| > | > > > you look like an HTML guru in front of newbies, it still does
not
| > | > qualify
| > | > > > you to become a FrontPage MVP.
| > | > > >
| > | > > > I have no problem with you trying to help new-comers, that's the
| > | spirit
| > | > of
| > | > > > these newsgroups. It's your "mother-in-law'ish" attitude that
irks
| > me.
| > | > You
| > | > > > scold new-comers like they have sinned by asking a question.
(And
| > | please
| > | > > > don't teach me how to block a person in my mail program. I've
been
| > | using
| > | > > > computers and Internet while you were still baking cookies for
| your
| > | > > > grandkids and the only computer you had touched till then was
your
| > | blood
| > | > > > pressure monitoring machine.). Have you ever thought that many
new
| > FP
| > | > > users
| > | > > > may not even be familiar with proper terminology to even look it
| up
| > | > under
| > | > > > Help screen? And even if they asked a simple or repetitive
| question
| > | like
| > | > > > right-click, you don't have to attack them by making them look
| like
| > an
| > | > > > idiot. Do you realize that it may be the first ever trip to a
| > | newsgroup
| > | > > for
| > | > > > this person and hence he/she doesn't know how to do a search or
is
| > not
| > | > > > familiar with the newsgroup etiquettes?
| > | > > >
| > | > > > I also resent your chauvinistic attitude towards FrontPage in
| > contrast
| > | > to
| > | > > > Dreamweaver that I have noticed over a period of last few
months.
| > For
| > | > your
| > | > > > information I, and I suspect there are many other people like me
| in
| > | this
| > | > > > newsgroup, also use and hang out in Dreamweaver, Fireworks,
Flash,
| > | > > > PhotoShop, PSP, VB, ASP. CSS and other newsgroups. While I have
| seen
| > | you
| > | > > in
| > | > > > Fireworks group occasionally in the role of a novice and not as
an
| > | > expert,
| > | > > I
| > | > > > don't ever recall seeing you in Dreamweaver. So don't give me
this
| > | stuff
| > | > > > that you have migrated to Dreamweaver and that somehow makes you
| > | > superior
| > | > > > than the rest of us who are "still" using (shudder) FrontPage.
And
| > if
| > | > you
| > | > > > like Dreamweaver so much then why even worry about coming to
| > FrontPage
| > | > > > newsgroup? Oh, I remember, you like the site management and
| > publishing
| > | > > part
| > | > > > of FP, don't you? That's one of the oldest excuses I can
remember
| > | since
| > | > > FP97
| > | > > > days that these so-called Dreamweaver pros, like yourself,
justify
| > in
| > | > > coming
| > | > > > back to FrontPage. Or, could it be that you are just trying to
get
| a
| > | > > flavor
| > | > > > of Dreamweaver to perpetuate the myth that DW users are somehow
| > | superior
| > | > > to
| > | > > > FP users?
| > | > > >
| > | > > > As to your question to what I've contributed to this newsgroup,
| > | probably
| > | > a
| > | > > > lot by not insulting others like you do on a regular basis.
| > | > > >
| > | > > > Get an attitude adjustment, lady, and get off your permanent
PMS.
| > | Being
| > | > > > grumpy is not a virtue to boast about. Try to spread some
sunshine
| > | > around
| > | > > > you, you'll be surprised how it affects your blood pressure.
| > | > > >
| > | > > >
| > | > > >
| > | > >
| > | > >
| > | > >
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
Sorry, Chris. MS does not, in fact, allow cancellation of messages from MS
newsgroups.
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-----
Tom P. Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
http://microsoft.com/frontpage
To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
----
| that's a hell of a tip. that's getting dragged. (I have a folder called
fp
| tips, every time I see a good post I drag it in. I figured if I ever get
| time I could cut and paste their contents into a page or db or something,
so
| people can use it.
|
| | > Jim,
| > In the future if you ever "toss up"
| > a post that you wish you hadn't,
| > ( we all have at one time or another )
| > refresh the newsgroup until the post
| > appears, click once to hightlight it, click Messages
| > on the Outlook Express Toolbar and select "Cancel Post"
| >
| > hth
| > ;-)
| >
| > --
| > using 2k PRO but....95isalive
| > This site is best viewed............
| > .......................with a computer
| >
| > | > > Tim and JoAnn:
| > >
| > > Thanks for your wonderful words. I, once again, apologize for my
| emotional
| > > outbursts that were so out of line and out of bound. I just wish I
could
| > > take 'em back. I'll be fine in next couple of days but this incident
| will
| > > remain in my mind for a long time to come as one of the lowest points
of
| > my
| > > life. I will use it as a lesson and move on to become a much better
| person
| > > than I am now.
| > >
| > > I hope Eleanor comes back here and forgives me.
| > >
| > > Regards and thanks,
| > >
| > > Joe
| > >
| > > | > > > Joe,
| > > > Your response to all of this is huge. These newsgroups are chock
full
| > of
| > > weak
| > > > people who hide behind computers in little sad and dark rooms, and
| spout
| > > their
| > > > crap out at other people. Things they would NEVER say to someone in
| > > person.
| > > >
| > > > LET ME BE VERY CLEAR HERE!!!!!!!! I AM NOT SAYING THAT ABOUT
| > > YOU!!!!!!!!!!
| > > >
| > > > What I am saying is that sadly, since the inception of newsgroups,
| > they've
| > > just
| > > > become a place for cowards to come and flame. This Frontpage group
| has
| > > VERY
| > > > thankfully stayed mostly on track and away from that.
| > > >
| > > > You did not do what I consider flaming. You had your heart and your
| > > intentions
| > > > firmly in the right place. I OFTEN, oh my God, SO OFTEN, feel like
| > > lashing out
| > > > at people who aren't helpful; they just say crap to see their IDIOCY
| on
| > > screen.
| > > > (Example: "Eleanor's website is about her and mudbaths, she's not
| > getting
| > > > attention like younger women.... blah blah blah)
| > > > I understand your feelings in your original response/post. I really
| do.
| > > Your
| > > > points were well made, and you felt them in your heart. And as you
| > > clearly see
| > > > now..... it's the personal stuff that hurts.
| > > >
| > > > Eleanor really is a decent woman, and I'm sure she will forgive you.
| It
| > > took
| > > > some humongous courage and sacrifice to come back in here and
| apologize,
| > > and I
| > > > have a huge amount of admiration for you right now. You are
sincere,
| > and
| > > I
| > > > suspect a very wonderful person. Sometimes we make these errors in
| > life.
| > > Do
| > > > forgive yourself.
| > > >
| > > > Have a great rest of the weekend! :)
| > > >
| > > > Tim
| > > >
| > > >
| > > >
| > > >
| > > > | > > > Tim:
| > > >
| > > > You are absolutely right. I am so darned ashamed of myself that I
| cannot
| > > > even explain. I feel like two inches tall and a complete jerk. What
in
| > the
| > > > world was I thinking? I assure you I was not on drugs - never been
on
| > it.
| > > It
| > > > was a complete lapse of good judgment on my part and I certainly beg
| for
| > > > Eleanor's apology though I don't think she will ever forgive me. I
| have
| > > > never felt so bad in letting my stupid, ignorant, arrogant emotions
| take
| > > > over my judgment. Even if Eleanor forgives me, I will never be able
to
| > > > forgive myself for reacting like a spoiled child.
| > > >
| > > > I know words are like shots, can't be taken back, but if there is
any
| > such
| > > > thing as repentance, I will certainly do it. Eleanor, I am so sorry.
I
| > > have
| > > > just lowered my estimation about myself in my own eyes.
| > > >
| > > > And Tim, thank you for putting me in my place. Seriously.
| > > >
| > > > Joe,
| > > > A grown-up man who acted like an idiot and a jerk but is truly,
| > sincerely
| > > > sorry.
| > > >
| > > >
| > > > | > > > > Joe and Eleanor,
| > > > > Wow, Joe, quite a diatribe there. Boiling this down to its very
| > basics,
| > > > Eleanor
| > > > > has never sunk to making personal attacks on people. And in
making
| > > > personal
| > > > > attacks and name-calling you really show yourself to be the very
| > person
| > > > that you
| > > > > claim Eleanor is (in so many words.) So you have failed yourself
in
| > > that
| > > > > regard. Secondly who made you "newsgroup cop?" Are you the
| protector
| > > for
| > > > all
| > > > > the pitiful and downtrodden newsgroup users? Eleanor has NEVER
| > claimed
| > > to
| > > > be
| > > > > Jim Buyens, and she's smart enough to know to never claim to be
| > someone
| > > > she
| > > > > isn't. But YOU claim to know exactly who she is and YOU know very
| > > little
| > > > about
| > > > > her.
| > > > > I mean what is this exactly Joe:
| > > > >
| > > > > .....(And please
| > > > > don't teach me how to block a person in my mail program. I've been
| > using
| > > > > computers and Internet while you were still baking cookies for
your
| > > > > grandkids and the only computer you had touched till then was your
| > blood
| > > > > pressure monitoring machine.)....
| > > > >
| > > > > Have you been to Eleanor's house to see her baking cookies, hooked
| up
| > to
| > > a
| > > > blood
| > > > > pressure machine? See, it's attacks like that which place you in
| the
| > > > great
| > > > > pantheon of people who lower themselves to very level of which
they
| > are
| > > > > condemning. Do you not understand how YOU made YOURSELF look in
| this
| > > post
| > > > you
| > > > > tendered? What qualifies you to come in here and be the newsgroup
| > cop?
| > > I
| > > > > suspect absolutely nothing. How do you act when you're not hiding
| > > behind
| > > > a
| > > > > computer screen Joe?
| > > > >
| > > > > PART 2.
| > > > >
| > > > > Hang tight Joe, I'm not letting Eleanor off either.
| > > > >
| > > > > Now Eleanor..... :) ....... have you ever seen the Saturday Night
| > Live
| > > > skit
| > > > > about "Your Company's Computer Guy"??? MANY and I mean MANY!
| computer
| > > > people
| > > > > tend to turn into this guy. We get to that point where things are
| > > > absolutely
| > > > > second nature to us, and have moved on to some really seriously
| > complex
| > > > stuff.
| > > > > So when somebody asks a really trivial question that has been
| answered
| > > 74
| > > > times
| > > > > already in the past 10 days, we tend to pounce on them a little
bit.
| > > You
| > > > have
| > > > > been guilty, I have been guilty, the MVP's God bless'em are guilty
| > alot.
| > > > But I
| > > > > know their frustration.
| > > > >
| > > > > One of the points Joe makes is valid - to a degree - that in being
| > short
| > > > with
| > > > > people in your replies, you tend to appear as though YOU want to
| > appear
| > > as
| > > > a
| > > > > big-time expert and contributor in the eyes of other big-time
| experts
| > > and
| > > > > contributors. Do you see what I'm saying? It makes you appear as
| > > though
| > > > you
| > > > > have self-declared Eleanor as being near the top of the FP user
| > pyramid.
| > > > But in
| > > > > my opinion, if you are near the top, it then becomes even MORE a
| > > > responsibility
| > > > > to seriously be compassionate in/with your help. I really believe
| > that.
| > > > >
| > > > > Let me offer a practical observation: When I have a question, the
| > very
| > > > first
| > > > > thing I do is to go to Google Groups and look it up there. For
you
| > and
| > > > me, and
| > > > > probably Joe, that is now obvious and second nature. I have my
OEx
| > set
| > > to
| > > > > download 210 new posts each time. Well, even including old read
| > posts,
| > > > you're
| > > > > only going to have about 5 or 6 days worth of the group inside
your
| > > > newsreader
| > > > > anyway in a really active group. So even if a question gets
| answered
| > > > pretty
| > > > > often it may not be in the newsreader still. Stay with me
here....
| so
| > > > that
| > > > > means searching in Outlook Ex for an answer is useless to me. I
| have
| > to
| > > > go to
| > > > > Google. Well, Eleanor, MANY newbies have NO IDEA that they can
| search
| > > > Google
| > > > > for archives. I am constantly telling people that that exists.
| > > > >
| > > > > So it may well be that instead of being the expert who sort of
wants
| > to
| > > > sound
| > > > > like the expert, a more compassionate way to respond to alot of
| these
| > > > > over-and-over questions, is to start continually mentioning "hey,
| head
| > > > over to
| > > > > http://groups.google.com and do a search there. Sometimes I'll
even
| > do
| > > > the
| > > > > search for them, and then post the resulting URL here in the NG
for
| > the
| > > > person.
| > > > >
| > > > > All of this has to do with being compassionate in your help, above
| and
| > > > beyond
| > > > > helpful. And as a member near the top of the heap, that is (in my
| > > > opinion) your
| > > > > responsibility.
| > > > >
| > > > > Joe, chill out, apologize to Eleanor so we can all be happy again.
| > You
| > > > made
| > > > > some very valid and important points, but the personal stuff, I
hope
| > > > you'll be
| > > > > big enough to take back.
| > > > >
| > > > > Eleanor, you're a good woman. Allow Joe his foibles. Try to be
| > genuine
| > > > and
| > > > > compassionate in your help.
| > > > >
| > > > > Love to you both...
| > > > >
| > > > > Tim
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > > High Tide Internet
| > > > > http://www.hightideinternet.com
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > > | > > > > Yes, while I have seen your tutorials and appreciate your trying
to
| > help
| > > > > novices who don't know how to properly put images on their web, it
| > does
| > > > not
| > > > > exactly make you Jim Buyens. Also, to tell people that you have to
| > start
| > > > > over every time your photogallery messes up, does not make you an
| > expert
| > > > in
| > > > > FrontPage. To tell people that there is no way to prevent someone
| from
| > > > > stealing your pictures from the Web also does not qualify you to
| write
| > a
| > > > > Special Edition book on FrontPage. To jump every time someone asks
| > about
| > > > > no-right-click to say that the effort is both futile and puerile
may
| > > make
| > > > > you look like an HTML guru in front of newbies, it still does not
| > > qualify
| > > > > you to become a FrontPage MVP.
| > > > >
| > > > > I have no problem with you trying to help new-comers, that's the
| > spirit
| > > of
| > > > > these newsgroups. It's your "mother-in-law'ish" attitude that irks
| me.
| > > You
| > > > > scold new-comers like they have sinned by asking a question. (And
| > please
| > > > > don't teach me how to block a person in my mail program. I've been
| > using
| > > > > computers and Internet while you were still baking cookies for
your
| > > > > grandkids and the only computer you had touched till then was your
| > blood
| > > > > pressure monitoring machine.). Have you ever thought that many new
| FP
| > > > users
| > > > > may not even be familiar with proper terminology to even look it
up
| > > under
| > > > > Help screen? And even if they asked a simple or repetitive
question
| > like
| > > > > right-click, you don't have to attack them by making them look
like
| an
| > > > > idiot. Do you realize that it may be the first ever trip to a
| > newsgroup
| > > > for
| > > > > this person and hence he/she doesn't know how to do a search or is
| not
| > > > > familiar with the newsgroup etiquettes?
| > > > >
| > > > > I also resent your chauvinistic attitude towards FrontPage in
| contrast
| > > to
| > > > > Dreamweaver that I have noticed over a period of last few months.
| For
| > > your
| > > > > information I, and I suspect there are many other people like me
in
| > this
| > > > > newsgroup, also use and hang out in Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Flash,
| > > > > PhotoShop, PSP, VB, ASP. CSS and other newsgroups. While I have
seen
| > you
| > > > in
| > > > > Fireworks group occasionally in the role of a novice and not as an
| > > expert,
| > > > I
| > > > > don't ever recall seeing you in Dreamweaver. So don't give me this
| > stuff
| > > > > that you have migrated to Dreamweaver and that somehow makes you
| > > superior
| > > > > than the rest of us who are "still" using (shudder) FrontPage. And
| if
| > > you
| > > > > like Dreamweaver so much then why even worry about coming to
| FrontPage
| > > > > newsgroup? Oh, I remember, you like the site management and
| publishing
| > > > part
| > > > > of FP, don't you? That's one of the oldest excuses I can remember
| > since
| > > > FP97
| > > > > days that these so-called Dreamweaver pros, like yourself, justify
| in
| > > > coming
| > > > > back to FrontPage. Or, could it be that you are just trying to get
a
| > > > flavor
| > > > > of Dreamweaver to perpetuate the myth that DW users are somehow
| > superior
| > > > to
| > > > > FP users?
| > > > >
| > > > > As to your question to what I've contributed to this newsgroup,
| > probably
| > > a
| > > > > lot by not insulting others like you do on a regular basis.
| > > > >
| > > > > Get an attitude adjustment, lady, and get off your permanent PMS.
| > Being
| > > > > grumpy is not a virtue to boast about. Try to spread some sunshine
| > > around
| > > > > you, you'll be surprised how it affects your blood pressure.
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > > >
| > > >
| > > >
| > > >
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|
 
and since this is the only newsgroup I've ever used I guess the tip isn't
going to help me much. oh well the folder is still pretty nice ;-)
 
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