B
Barb
I cannot figure out how to make thumbnails ,I need help
E
E. T. Culling
Have you tried HELP .. F1... or your manual?
T
Tom P. Willett
There are no help files available with FP Express, which is an old outdated
version of FP 97 editor only, which is no longer supported by MS, and is
extremely out of date for working with building web pages.
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Tom P. Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
http://microsoft.com/frontpage
To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
version of FP 97 editor only, which is no longer supported by MS, and is
extremely out of date for working with building web pages.
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Tom P. Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
http://microsoft.com/frontpage
To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
E
E. T. Culling
People need to be reminded that they can help themselves and should try
doing that first.
"Import files first" is the answer that many NEED to get their images
working correctly, so it is often a very valid answer.
Have you read all the tutorials that I have written specifically to help
people in this newsgroup? I didn't have to do that!! I did it because there
was/is a need for the information ... more than can be included in a
newsgroup response.
I happen to use Dreamweaver most of the time now, but have continued to come
here to be helpful. What do you do to contribute?
http://www.eleanorstravels.com/suggestedresources.htm
If you don't like my answers please don't read them. Choose "Block Sender"
Many, many people have e-mailed me personally to thank me for the help I
have given them....much more help than is reflected in this newsgroup.
Here's a comment I received just this morning: " I am very grateful for your
ver instructive website to teach novices like myself how to construct
photogallery."
Snooty, Grumpy, repetitive Eleanor
doing that first.
"Import files first" is the answer that many NEED to get their images
working correctly, so it is often a very valid answer.
Have you read all the tutorials that I have written specifically to help
people in this newsgroup? I didn't have to do that!! I did it because there
was/is a need for the information ... more than can be included in a
newsgroup response.
I happen to use Dreamweaver most of the time now, but have continued to come
here to be helpful. What do you do to contribute?
http://www.eleanorstravels.com/suggestedresources.htm
If you don't like my answers please don't read them. Choose "Block Sender"
Many, many people have e-mailed me personally to thank me for the help I
have given them....much more help than is reflected in this newsgroup.
Here's a comment I received just this morning: " I am very grateful for your
ver instructive website to teach novices like myself how to construct
photogallery."
Snooty, Grumpy, repetitive Eleanor
J
Joe Bigelow
I frankly don't understand your attitude in this group. You rarely
contribute anything worthwhile and your remarks are snooty and repetitive.
Nobody is holding a gun to your head. If you don't know the answer or don't
want to reply, then by all means, don't. "Press F1" and "Import files first"
is getting quite old now. Why this compulsion to react when you don't know
the answer or don't want to answer?
Good Gawd!! What an attitude!!!
contribute anything worthwhile and your remarks are snooty and repetitive.
Nobody is holding a gun to your head. If you don't know the answer or don't
want to reply, then by all means, don't. "Press F1" and "Import files first"
is getting quite old now. Why this compulsion to react when you don't know
the answer or don't want to answer?
Good Gawd!! What an attitude!!!
D
Destin_FL
Joe and Eleanor,
Wow, Joe, quite a diatribe there. Boiling this down to its very basics, Eleanor
has never sunk to making personal attacks on people. And in making personal
attacks and name-calling you really show yourself to be the very person that you
claim Eleanor is (in so many words.) So you have failed yourself in that
regard. Secondly who made you "newsgroup cop?" Are you the protector for all
the pitiful and downtrodden newsgroup users? Eleanor has NEVER claimed to be
Jim Buyens, and she's smart enough to know to never claim to be someone she
isn't. But YOU claim to know exactly who she is and YOU know very little about
her.
I mean what is this exactly Joe:
......(And please
don't teach me how to block a person in my mail program. I've been using
computers and Internet while you were still baking cookies for your
grandkids and the only computer you had touched till then was your blood
pressure monitoring machine.)....
Have you been to Eleanor's house to see her baking cookies, hooked up to a blood
pressure machine? See, it's attacks like that which place you in the great
pantheon of people who lower themselves to very level of which they are
condemning. Do you not understand how YOU made YOURSELF look in this post you
tendered? What qualifies you to come in here and be the newsgroup cop? I
suspect absolutely nothing. How do you act when you're not hiding behind a
computer screen Joe?
PART 2.
Hang tight Joe, I'm not letting Eleanor off either.
Now Eleanor.....
....... have you ever seen the Saturday Night Live skit
about "Your Company's Computer Guy"??? MANY and I mean MANY! computer people
tend to turn into this guy. We get to that point where things are absolutely
second nature to us, and have moved on to some really seriously complex stuff.
So when somebody asks a really trivial question that has been answered 74 times
already in the past 10 days, we tend to pounce on them a little bit. You have
been guilty, I have been guilty, the MVP's God bless'em are guilty alot. But I
know their frustration.
One of the points Joe makes is valid - to a degree - that in being short with
people in your replies, you tend to appear as though YOU want to appear as a
big-time expert and contributor in the eyes of other big-time experts and
contributors. Do you see what I'm saying? It makes you appear as though you
have self-declared Eleanor as being near the top of the FP user pyramid. But in
my opinion, if you are near the top, it then becomes even MORE a responsibility
to seriously be compassionate in/with your help. I really believe that.
Let me offer a practical observation: When I have a question, the very first
thing I do is to go to Google Groups and look it up there. For you and me, and
probably Joe, that is now obvious and second nature. I have my OEx set to
download 210 new posts each time. Well, even including old read posts, you're
only going to have about 5 or 6 days worth of the group inside your newsreader
anyway in a really active group. So even if a question gets answered pretty
often it may not be in the newsreader still. Stay with me here.... so that
means searching in Outlook Ex for an answer is useless to me. I have to go to
Google. Well, Eleanor, MANY newbies have NO IDEA that they can search Google
for archives. I am constantly telling people that that exists.
So it may well be that instead of being the expert who sort of wants to sound
like the expert, a more compassionate way to respond to alot of these
over-and-over questions, is to start continually mentioning "hey, head over to
http://groups.google.com and do a search there. Sometimes I'll even do the
search for them, and then post the resulting URL here in the NG for the person.
All of this has to do with being compassionate in your help, above and beyond
helpful. And as a member near the top of the heap, that is (in my opinion) your
responsibility.
Joe, chill out, apologize to Eleanor so we can all be happy again. You made
some very valid and important points, but the personal stuff, I hope you'll be
big enough to take back.
Eleanor, you're a good woman. Allow Joe his foibles. Try to be genuine and
compassionate in your help.
Love to you both...
Tim
High Tide Internet
http://www.hightideinternet.com
Yes, while I have seen your tutorials and appreciate your trying to help
novices who don't know how to properly put images on their web, it does not
exactly make you Jim Buyens. Also, to tell people that you have to start
over every time your photogallery messes up, does not make you an expert in
FrontPage. To tell people that there is no way to prevent someone from
stealing your pictures from the Web also does not qualify you to write a
Special Edition book on FrontPage. To jump every time someone asks about
no-right-click to say that the effort is both futile and puerile may make
you look like an HTML guru in front of newbies, it still does not qualify
you to become a FrontPage MVP.
I have no problem with you trying to help new-comers, that's the spirit of
these newsgroups. It's your "mother-in-law'ish" attitude that irks me. You
scold new-comers like they have sinned by asking a question. (And please
don't teach me how to block a person in my mail program. I've been using
computers and Internet while you were still baking cookies for your
grandkids and the only computer you had touched till then was your blood
pressure monitoring machine.). Have you ever thought that many new FP users
may not even be familiar with proper terminology to even look it up under
Help screen? And even if they asked a simple or repetitive question like
right-click, you don't have to attack them by making them look like an
idiot. Do you realize that it may be the first ever trip to a newsgroup for
this person and hence he/she doesn't know how to do a search or is not
familiar with the newsgroup etiquettes?
I also resent your chauvinistic attitude towards FrontPage in contrast to
Dreamweaver that I have noticed over a period of last few months. For your
information I, and I suspect there are many other people like me in this
newsgroup, also use and hang out in Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Flash,
PhotoShop, PSP, VB, ASP. CSS and other newsgroups. While I have seen you in
Fireworks group occasionally in the role of a novice and not as an expert, I
don't ever recall seeing you in Dreamweaver. So don't give me this stuff
that you have migrated to Dreamweaver and that somehow makes you superior
than the rest of us who are "still" using (shudder) FrontPage. And if you
like Dreamweaver so much then why even worry about coming to FrontPage
newsgroup? Oh, I remember, you like the site management and publishing part
of FP, don't you? That's one of the oldest excuses I can remember since FP97
days that these so-called Dreamweaver pros, like yourself, justify in coming
back to FrontPage. Or, could it be that you are just trying to get a flavor
of Dreamweaver to perpetuate the myth that DW users are somehow superior to
FP users?
As to your question to what I've contributed to this newsgroup, probably a
lot by not insulting others like you do on a regular basis.
Get an attitude adjustment, lady, and get off your permanent PMS. Being
grumpy is not a virtue to boast about. Try to spread some sunshine around
you, you'll be surprised how it affects your blood pressure.
Wow, Joe, quite a diatribe there. Boiling this down to its very basics, Eleanor
has never sunk to making personal attacks on people. And in making personal
attacks and name-calling you really show yourself to be the very person that you
claim Eleanor is (in so many words.) So you have failed yourself in that
regard. Secondly who made you "newsgroup cop?" Are you the protector for all
the pitiful and downtrodden newsgroup users? Eleanor has NEVER claimed to be
Jim Buyens, and she's smart enough to know to never claim to be someone she
isn't. But YOU claim to know exactly who she is and YOU know very little about
her.
I mean what is this exactly Joe:
......(And please
don't teach me how to block a person in my mail program. I've been using
computers and Internet while you were still baking cookies for your
grandkids and the only computer you had touched till then was your blood
pressure monitoring machine.)....
Have you been to Eleanor's house to see her baking cookies, hooked up to a blood
pressure machine? See, it's attacks like that which place you in the great
pantheon of people who lower themselves to very level of which they are
condemning. Do you not understand how YOU made YOURSELF look in this post you
tendered? What qualifies you to come in here and be the newsgroup cop? I
suspect absolutely nothing. How do you act when you're not hiding behind a
computer screen Joe?
PART 2.
Hang tight Joe, I'm not letting Eleanor off either.
Now Eleanor.....
....... have you ever seen the Saturday Night Live skitabout "Your Company's Computer Guy"??? MANY and I mean MANY! computer people
tend to turn into this guy. We get to that point where things are absolutely
second nature to us, and have moved on to some really seriously complex stuff.
So when somebody asks a really trivial question that has been answered 74 times
already in the past 10 days, we tend to pounce on them a little bit. You have
been guilty, I have been guilty, the MVP's God bless'em are guilty alot. But I
know their frustration.
One of the points Joe makes is valid - to a degree - that in being short with
people in your replies, you tend to appear as though YOU want to appear as a
big-time expert and contributor in the eyes of other big-time experts and
contributors. Do you see what I'm saying? It makes you appear as though you
have self-declared Eleanor as being near the top of the FP user pyramid. But in
my opinion, if you are near the top, it then becomes even MORE a responsibility
to seriously be compassionate in/with your help. I really believe that.
Let me offer a practical observation: When I have a question, the very first
thing I do is to go to Google Groups and look it up there. For you and me, and
probably Joe, that is now obvious and second nature. I have my OEx set to
download 210 new posts each time. Well, even including old read posts, you're
only going to have about 5 or 6 days worth of the group inside your newsreader
anyway in a really active group. So even if a question gets answered pretty
often it may not be in the newsreader still. Stay with me here.... so that
means searching in Outlook Ex for an answer is useless to me. I have to go to
Google. Well, Eleanor, MANY newbies have NO IDEA that they can search Google
for archives. I am constantly telling people that that exists.
So it may well be that instead of being the expert who sort of wants to sound
like the expert, a more compassionate way to respond to alot of these
over-and-over questions, is to start continually mentioning "hey, head over to
http://groups.google.com and do a search there. Sometimes I'll even do the
search for them, and then post the resulting URL here in the NG for the person.
All of this has to do with being compassionate in your help, above and beyond
helpful. And as a member near the top of the heap, that is (in my opinion) your
responsibility.
Joe, chill out, apologize to Eleanor so we can all be happy again. You made
some very valid and important points, but the personal stuff, I hope you'll be
big enough to take back.
Eleanor, you're a good woman. Allow Joe his foibles. Try to be genuine and
compassionate in your help.
Love to you both...
Tim
High Tide Internet
http://www.hightideinternet.com
Yes, while I have seen your tutorials and appreciate your trying to help
novices who don't know how to properly put images on their web, it does not
exactly make you Jim Buyens. Also, to tell people that you have to start
over every time your photogallery messes up, does not make you an expert in
FrontPage. To tell people that there is no way to prevent someone from
stealing your pictures from the Web also does not qualify you to write a
Special Edition book on FrontPage. To jump every time someone asks about
no-right-click to say that the effort is both futile and puerile may make
you look like an HTML guru in front of newbies, it still does not qualify
you to become a FrontPage MVP.
I have no problem with you trying to help new-comers, that's the spirit of
these newsgroups. It's your "mother-in-law'ish" attitude that irks me. You
scold new-comers like they have sinned by asking a question. (And please
don't teach me how to block a person in my mail program. I've been using
computers and Internet while you were still baking cookies for your
grandkids and the only computer you had touched till then was your blood
pressure monitoring machine.). Have you ever thought that many new FP users
may not even be familiar with proper terminology to even look it up under
Help screen? And even if they asked a simple or repetitive question like
right-click, you don't have to attack them by making them look like an
idiot. Do you realize that it may be the first ever trip to a newsgroup for
this person and hence he/she doesn't know how to do a search or is not
familiar with the newsgroup etiquettes?
I also resent your chauvinistic attitude towards FrontPage in contrast to
Dreamweaver that I have noticed over a period of last few months. For your
information I, and I suspect there are many other people like me in this
newsgroup, also use and hang out in Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Flash,
PhotoShop, PSP, VB, ASP. CSS and other newsgroups. While I have seen you in
Fireworks group occasionally in the role of a novice and not as an expert, I
don't ever recall seeing you in Dreamweaver. So don't give me this stuff
that you have migrated to Dreamweaver and that somehow makes you superior
than the rest of us who are "still" using (shudder) FrontPage. And if you
like Dreamweaver so much then why even worry about coming to FrontPage
newsgroup? Oh, I remember, you like the site management and publishing part
of FP, don't you? That's one of the oldest excuses I can remember since FP97
days that these so-called Dreamweaver pros, like yourself, justify in coming
back to FrontPage. Or, could it be that you are just trying to get a flavor
of Dreamweaver to perpetuate the myth that DW users are somehow superior to
FP users?
As to your question to what I've contributed to this newsgroup, probably a
lot by not insulting others like you do on a regular basis.
Get an attitude adjustment, lady, and get off your permanent PMS. Being
grumpy is not a virtue to boast about. Try to spread some sunshine around
you, you'll be surprised how it affects your blood pressure.
V
Vocátional© & Technicál© Educátion®
You may want to read her website about having mud baths and after you look
at her pics you will feel sorry for her as she is getting older than younger
women and never gets attention - there are a lot of lonely women in this
world - so she points everyone to her website - Why didn't you think of
that...?
Best regards, Jeff @ (e-mail address removed)
Vocátional© & Technicál© Educátion® - Cooking Crawfish & Alligators in New
Orleans...Vocátional© & Technicál© Educátion® - Man's mind, once stretched
by a new idea, never regains its original dimensions - Oliver Wendell
Holmes, Jr.
http://www.nola.com/
at her pics you will feel sorry for her as she is getting older than younger
women and never gets attention - there are a lot of lonely women in this
world - so she points everyone to her website - Why didn't you think of
that...?
Best regards, Jeff @ (e-mail address removed)
Vocátional© & Technicál© Educátion® - Cooking Crawfish & Alligators in New
Orleans...Vocátional© & Technicál© Educátion® - Man's mind, once stretched
by a new idea, never regains its original dimensions - Oliver Wendell
Holmes, Jr.
http://www.nola.com/
V
Vocátional© & Technicál© Educátion®
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/orderbeta.asp
You may want to buy the free MS Office and/or FP for $20.00 - Why didn't I
think of that...?
Best regards, Jeff @ (e-mail address removed)
Vocátional© & Technicál© Educátion® - Cooking Crawfish & Alligators in New
Orleans...Vocátional© & Technicál© Educátion® - Man's mind, once stretched
by a new idea, never regains its original dimensions - Oliver Wendell
Holmes, Jr.
You may want to buy the free MS Office and/or FP for $20.00 - Why didn't I
think of that...?
Best regards, Jeff @ (e-mail address removed)
Vocátional© & Technicál© Educátion® - Cooking Crawfish & Alligators in New
Orleans...Vocátional© & Technicál© Educátion® - Man's mind, once stretched
by a new idea, never regains its original dimensions - Oliver Wendell
Holmes, Jr.
J
Joe Bigelow
Yes, while I have seen your tutorials and appreciate your trying to help
novices who don't know how to properly put images on their web, it does not
exactly make you Jim Buyens. Also, to tell people that you have to start
over every time your photogallery messes up, does not make you an expert in
FrontPage. To tell people that there is no way to prevent someone from
stealing your pictures from the Web also does not qualify you to write a
Special Edition book on FrontPage. To jump every time someone asks about
no-right-click to say that the effort is both futile and puerile may make
you look like an HTML guru in front of newbies, it still does not qualify
you to become a FrontPage MVP.
I have no problem with you trying to help new-comers, that's the spirit of
these newsgroups. It's your "mother-in-law'ish" attitude that irks me. You
scold new-comers like they have sinned by asking a question. (And please
don't teach me how to block a person in my mail program. I've been using
computers and Internet while you were still baking cookies for your
grandkids and the only computer you had touched till then was your blood
pressure monitoring machine.). Have you ever thought that many new FP users
may not even be familiar with proper terminology to even look it up under
Help screen? And even if they asked a simple or repetitive question like
right-click, you don't have to attack them by making them look like an
idiot. Do you realize that it may be the first ever trip to a newsgroup for
this person and hence he/she doesn't know how to do a search or is not
familiar with the newsgroup etiquettes?
I also resent your chauvinistic attitude towards FrontPage in contrast to
Dreamweaver that I have noticed over a period of last few months. For your
information I, and I suspect there are many other people like me in this
newsgroup, also use and hang out in Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Flash,
PhotoShop, PSP, VB, ASP. CSS and other newsgroups. While I have seen you in
Fireworks group occasionally in the role of a novice and not as an expert, I
don't ever recall seeing you in Dreamweaver. So don't give me this stuff
that you have migrated to Dreamweaver and that somehow makes you superior
than the rest of us who are "still" using (shudder) FrontPage. And if you
like Dreamweaver so much then why even worry about coming to FrontPage
newsgroup? Oh, I remember, you like the site management and publishing part
of FP, don't you? That's one of the oldest excuses I can remember since FP97
days that these so-called Dreamweaver pros, like yourself, justify in coming
back to FrontPage. Or, could it be that you are just trying to get a flavor
of Dreamweaver to perpetuate the myth that DW users are somehow superior to
FP users?
As to your question to what I've contributed to this newsgroup, probably a
lot by not insulting others like you do on a regular basis.
Get an attitude adjustment, lady, and get off your permanent PMS. Being
grumpy is not a virtue to boast about. Try to spread some sunshine around
you, you'll be surprised how it affects your blood pressure.
novices who don't know how to properly put images on their web, it does not
exactly make you Jim Buyens. Also, to tell people that you have to start
over every time your photogallery messes up, does not make you an expert in
FrontPage. To tell people that there is no way to prevent someone from
stealing your pictures from the Web also does not qualify you to write a
Special Edition book on FrontPage. To jump every time someone asks about
no-right-click to say that the effort is both futile and puerile may make
you look like an HTML guru in front of newbies, it still does not qualify
you to become a FrontPage MVP.
I have no problem with you trying to help new-comers, that's the spirit of
these newsgroups. It's your "mother-in-law'ish" attitude that irks me. You
scold new-comers like they have sinned by asking a question. (And please
don't teach me how to block a person in my mail program. I've been using
computers and Internet while you were still baking cookies for your
grandkids and the only computer you had touched till then was your blood
pressure monitoring machine.). Have you ever thought that many new FP users
may not even be familiar with proper terminology to even look it up under
Help screen? And even if they asked a simple or repetitive question like
right-click, you don't have to attack them by making them look like an
idiot. Do you realize that it may be the first ever trip to a newsgroup for
this person and hence he/she doesn't know how to do a search or is not
familiar with the newsgroup etiquettes?
I also resent your chauvinistic attitude towards FrontPage in contrast to
Dreamweaver that I have noticed over a period of last few months. For your
information I, and I suspect there are many other people like me in this
newsgroup, also use and hang out in Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Flash,
PhotoShop, PSP, VB, ASP. CSS and other newsgroups. While I have seen you in
Fireworks group occasionally in the role of a novice and not as an expert, I
don't ever recall seeing you in Dreamweaver. So don't give me this stuff
that you have migrated to Dreamweaver and that somehow makes you superior
than the rest of us who are "still" using (shudder) FrontPage. And if you
like Dreamweaver so much then why even worry about coming to FrontPage
newsgroup? Oh, I remember, you like the site management and publishing part
of FP, don't you? That's one of the oldest excuses I can remember since FP97
days that these so-called Dreamweaver pros, like yourself, justify in coming
back to FrontPage. Or, could it be that you are just trying to get a flavor
of Dreamweaver to perpetuate the myth that DW users are somehow superior to
FP users?
As to your question to what I've contributed to this newsgroup, probably a
lot by not insulting others like you do on a regular basis.
Get an attitude adjustment, lady, and get off your permanent PMS. Being
grumpy is not a virtue to boast about. Try to spread some sunshine around
you, you'll be surprised how it affects your blood pressure.
X
xmas
The Beta is only good for another 56 days (from today)
Why get it at this late date when FrontPage 2003 should be out in another 18
days..
xmas
www.xmas-i-am.com
====================
If you think I'm doing a good job,
let MS know at (e-mail address removed)
Why get it at this late date when FrontPage 2003 should be out in another 18
days..
xmas
www.xmas-i-am.com
====================
If you think I'm doing a good job,
let MS know at (e-mail address removed)
J
JL Amerson
You go girl!! I keep screaming that at people myself. Guess they don't
remember the old adage about giving a man a fish versus teaching him how to
fish............
I'm behind you, oh Grumpy One.
JoAnn, aka "Bitter Old Woman"
remember the old adage about giving a man a fish versus teaching him how to
fish............
I'm behind you, oh Grumpy One.
JoAnn, aka "Bitter Old Woman"
J
JL Amerson
Joe -
We all forget ourselves now and then. It takes a big person to publicly
admit they acted less than honorably.
Forgive yourself now .............
JoAnn
We all forget ourselves now and then. It takes a big person to publicly
admit they acted less than honorably.
Forgive yourself now .............
JoAnn
D
Destin_FL
Joe,
Your response to all of this is huge. These newsgroups are chock full of weak
people who hide behind computers in little sad and dark rooms, and spout their
crap out at other people. Things they would NEVER say to someone in person.
LET ME BE VERY CLEAR HERE!!!!!!!! I AM NOT SAYING THAT ABOUT YOU!!!!!!!!!!
What I am saying is that sadly, since the inception of newsgroups, they've just
become a place for cowards to come and flame. This Frontpage group has VERY
thankfully stayed mostly on track and away from that.
You did not do what I consider flaming. You had your heart and your intentions
firmly in the right place. I OFTEN, oh my God, SO OFTEN, feel like lashing out
at people who aren't helpful; they just say crap to see their IDIOCY on screen.
(Example: "Eleanor's website is about her and mudbaths, she's not getting
attention like younger women.... blah blah blah)
I understand your feelings in your original response/post. I really do. Your
points were well made, and you felt them in your heart. And as you clearly see
now..... it's the personal stuff that hurts.
Eleanor really is a decent woman, and I'm sure she will forgive you. It took
some humongous courage and sacrifice to come back in here and apologize, and I
have a huge amount of admiration for you right now. You are sincere, and I
suspect a very wonderful person. Sometimes we make these errors in life. Do
forgive yourself.
Have a great rest of the weekend!
Tim
Tim:
You are absolutely right. I am so darned ashamed of myself that I cannot
even explain. I feel like two inches tall and a complete jerk. What in the
world was I thinking? I assure you I was not on drugs - never been on it. It
was a complete lapse of good judgment on my part and I certainly beg for
Eleanor's apology though I don't think she will ever forgive me. I have
never felt so bad in letting my stupid, ignorant, arrogant emotions take
over my judgment. Even if Eleanor forgives me, I will never be able to
forgive myself for reacting like a spoiled child.
I know words are like shots, can't be taken back, but if there is any such
thing as repentance, I will certainly do it. Eleanor, I am so sorry. I have
just lowered my estimation about myself in my own eyes.
And Tim, thank you for putting me in my place. Seriously.
Joe,
A grown-up man who acted like an idiot and a jerk but is truly, sincerely
sorry.
Your response to all of this is huge. These newsgroups are chock full of weak
people who hide behind computers in little sad and dark rooms, and spout their
crap out at other people. Things they would NEVER say to someone in person.
LET ME BE VERY CLEAR HERE!!!!!!!! I AM NOT SAYING THAT ABOUT YOU!!!!!!!!!!
What I am saying is that sadly, since the inception of newsgroups, they've just
become a place for cowards to come and flame. This Frontpage group has VERY
thankfully stayed mostly on track and away from that.
You did not do what I consider flaming. You had your heart and your intentions
firmly in the right place. I OFTEN, oh my God, SO OFTEN, feel like lashing out
at people who aren't helpful; they just say crap to see their IDIOCY on screen.
(Example: "Eleanor's website is about her and mudbaths, she's not getting
attention like younger women.... blah blah blah)
I understand your feelings in your original response/post. I really do. Your
points were well made, and you felt them in your heart. And as you clearly see
now..... it's the personal stuff that hurts.
Eleanor really is a decent woman, and I'm sure she will forgive you. It took
some humongous courage and sacrifice to come back in here and apologize, and I
have a huge amount of admiration for you right now. You are sincere, and I
suspect a very wonderful person. Sometimes we make these errors in life. Do
forgive yourself.
Have a great rest of the weekend!
Tim
Tim:
You are absolutely right. I am so darned ashamed of myself that I cannot
even explain. I feel like two inches tall and a complete jerk. What in the
world was I thinking? I assure you I was not on drugs - never been on it. It
was a complete lapse of good judgment on my part and I certainly beg for
Eleanor's apology though I don't think she will ever forgive me. I have
never felt so bad in letting my stupid, ignorant, arrogant emotions take
over my judgment. Even if Eleanor forgives me, I will never be able to
forgive myself for reacting like a spoiled child.
I know words are like shots, can't be taken back, but if there is any such
thing as repentance, I will certainly do it. Eleanor, I am so sorry. I have
just lowered my estimation about myself in my own eyes.
And Tim, thank you for putting me in my place. Seriously.
Joe,
A grown-up man who acted like an idiot and a jerk but is truly, sincerely
sorry.
J
Joe Bigelow
Tim:
You are absolutely right. I am so darned ashamed of myself that I cannot
even explain. I feel like two inches tall and a complete jerk. What in the
world was I thinking? I assure you I was not on drugs - never been on it. It
was a complete lapse of good judgment on my part and I certainly beg for
Eleanor's apology though I don't think she will ever forgive me. I have
never felt so bad in letting my stupid, ignorant, arrogant emotions take
over my judgment. Even if Eleanor forgives me, I will never be able to
forgive myself for reacting like a spoiled child.
I know words are like shots, can't be taken back, but if there is any such
thing as repentance, I will certainly do it. Eleanor, I am so sorry. I have
just lowered my estimation about myself in my own eyes.
And Tim, thank you for putting me in my place. Seriously.
Joe,
A grown-up man who acted like an idiot and a jerk but is truly, sincerely
sorry.
You are absolutely right. I am so darned ashamed of myself that I cannot
even explain. I feel like two inches tall and a complete jerk. What in the
world was I thinking? I assure you I was not on drugs - never been on it. It
was a complete lapse of good judgment on my part and I certainly beg for
Eleanor's apology though I don't think she will ever forgive me. I have
never felt so bad in letting my stupid, ignorant, arrogant emotions take
over my judgment. Even if Eleanor forgives me, I will never be able to
forgive myself for reacting like a spoiled child.
I know words are like shots, can't be taken back, but if there is any such
thing as repentance, I will certainly do it. Eleanor, I am so sorry. I have
just lowered my estimation about myself in my own eyes.
And Tim, thank you for putting me in my place. Seriously.
Joe,
A grown-up man who acted like an idiot and a jerk but is truly, sincerely
sorry.
S
Steve Easton
Jim,
In the future if you ever "toss up"
a post that you wish you hadn't,
( we all have at one time or another )
refresh the newsgroup until the post
appears, click once to hightlight it, click Messages
on the Outlook Express Toolbar and select "Cancel Post"
hth
;-)
In the future if you ever "toss up"
a post that you wish you hadn't,
( we all have at one time or another )
refresh the newsgroup until the post
appears, click once to hightlight it, click Messages
on the Outlook Express Toolbar and select "Cancel Post"
hth
;-)
T
Tom P. Willett
However, you cannot cancel posts on the MS server. They don't allow it.
sorry, Steve.
--
-----
Tom P. Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
http://microsoft.com/frontpage
To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
----
| Jim,
| In the future if you ever "toss up"
| a post that you wish you hadn't,
| ( we all have at one time or another )
| refresh the newsgroup until the post
| appears, click once to hightlight it, click Messages
| on the Outlook Express Toolbar and select "Cancel Post"
|
| hth
| ;-)
|
| --
| using 2k PRO but....95isalive
| This site is best viewed............
| .......................with a computer
|
| | > Tim and JoAnn:
| >
| > Thanks for your wonderful words. I, once again, apologize for my
emotional
| > outbursts that were so out of line and out of bound. I just wish I could
| > take 'em back. I'll be fine in next couple of days but this incident
will
| > remain in my mind for a long time to come as one of the lowest points of
| my
| > life. I will use it as a lesson and move on to become a much better
person
| > than I am now.
| >
| > I hope Eleanor comes back here and forgives me.
| >
| > Regards and thanks,
| >
| > Joe
| >
| > | > > Joe,
| > > Your response to all of this is huge. These newsgroups are chock full
| of
| > weak
| > > people who hide behind computers in little sad and dark rooms, and
spout
| > their
| > > crap out at other people. Things they would NEVER say to someone in
| > person.
| > >
| > > LET ME BE VERY CLEAR HERE!!!!!!!! I AM NOT SAYING THAT ABOUT
| > YOU!!!!!!!!!!
| > >
| > > What I am saying is that sadly, since the inception of newsgroups,
| they've
| > just
| > > become a place for cowards to come and flame. This Frontpage group
has
| > VERY
| > > thankfully stayed mostly on track and away from that.
| > >
| > > You did not do what I consider flaming. You had your heart and your
| > intentions
| > > firmly in the right place. I OFTEN, oh my God, SO OFTEN, feel like
| > lashing out
| > > at people who aren't helpful; they just say crap to see their IDIOCY
on
| > screen.
| > > (Example: "Eleanor's website is about her and mudbaths, she's not
| getting
| > > attention like younger women.... blah blah blah)
| > > I understand your feelings in your original response/post. I really
do.
| > Your
| > > points were well made, and you felt them in your heart. And as you
| > clearly see
| > > now..... it's the personal stuff that hurts.
| > >
| > > Eleanor really is a decent woman, and I'm sure she will forgive you.
It
| > took
| > > some humongous courage and sacrifice to come back in here and
apologize,
| > and I
| > > have a huge amount of admiration for you right now. You are sincere,
| and
| > I
| > > suspect a very wonderful person. Sometimes we make these errors in
| life.
| > Do
| > > forgive yourself.
| > >
| > > Have a great rest of the weekend!
| > >
| > > Tim
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > > | > > Tim:
| > >
| > > You are absolutely right. I am so darned ashamed of myself that I
cannot
| > > even explain. I feel like two inches tall and a complete jerk. What in
| the
| > > world was I thinking? I assure you I was not on drugs - never been on
| it.
| > It
| > > was a complete lapse of good judgment on my part and I certainly beg
for
| > > Eleanor's apology though I don't think she will ever forgive me. I
have
| > > never felt so bad in letting my stupid, ignorant, arrogant emotions
take
| > > over my judgment. Even if Eleanor forgives me, I will never be able to
| > > forgive myself for reacting like a spoiled child.
| > >
| > > I know words are like shots, can't be taken back, but if there is any
| such
| > > thing as repentance, I will certainly do it. Eleanor, I am so sorry. I
| > have
| > > just lowered my estimation about myself in my own eyes.
| > >
| > > And Tim, thank you for putting me in my place. Seriously.
| > >
| > > Joe,
| > > A grown-up man who acted like an idiot and a jerk but is truly,
| sincerely
| > > sorry.
| > >
| > >
| > > | > > > Joe and Eleanor,
| > > > Wow, Joe, quite a diatribe there. Boiling this down to its very
| basics,
| > > Eleanor
| > > > has never sunk to making personal attacks on people. And in making
| > > personal
| > > > attacks and name-calling you really show yourself to be the very
| person
| > > that you
| > > > claim Eleanor is (in so many words.) So you have failed yourself in
| > that
| > > > regard. Secondly who made you "newsgroup cop?" Are you the
protector
| > for
| > > all
| > > > the pitiful and downtrodden newsgroup users? Eleanor has NEVER
| claimed
| > to
| > > be
| > > > Jim Buyens, and she's smart enough to know to never claim to be
| someone
| > > she
| > > > isn't. But YOU claim to know exactly who she is and YOU know very
| > little
| > > about
| > > > her.
| > > > I mean what is this exactly Joe:
| > > >
| > > > .....(And please
| > > > don't teach me how to block a person in my mail program. I've been
| using
| > > > computers and Internet while you were still baking cookies for your
| > > > grandkids and the only computer you had touched till then was your
| blood
| > > > pressure monitoring machine.)....
| > > >
| > > > Have you been to Eleanor's house to see her baking cookies, hooked
up
| to
| > a
| > > blood
| > > > pressure machine? See, it's attacks like that which place you in
the
| > > great
| > > > pantheon of people who lower themselves to very level of which they
| are
| > > > condemning. Do you not understand how YOU made YOURSELF look in
this
| > post
| > > you
| > > > tendered? What qualifies you to come in here and be the newsgroup
| cop?
| > I
| > > > suspect absolutely nothing. How do you act when you're not hiding
| > behind
| > > a
| > > > computer screen Joe?
| > > >
| > > > PART 2.
| > > >
| > > > Hang tight Joe, I'm not letting Eleanor off either.
| > > >
| > > > Now Eleanor..... ....... have you ever seen the Saturday Night
| Live
| > > skit
| > > > about "Your Company's Computer Guy"??? MANY and I mean MANY!
computer
| > > people
| > > > tend to turn into this guy. We get to that point where things are
| > > absolutely
| > > > second nature to us, and have moved on to some really seriously
| complex
| > > stuff.
| > > > So when somebody asks a really trivial question that has been
answered
| > 74
| > > times
| > > > already in the past 10 days, we tend to pounce on them a little bit.
| > You
| > > have
| > > > been guilty, I have been guilty, the MVP's God bless'em are guilty
| alot.
| > > But I
| > > > know their frustration.
| > > >
| > > > One of the points Joe makes is valid - to a degree - that in being
| short
| > > with
| > > > people in your replies, you tend to appear as though YOU want to
| appear
| > as
| > > a
| > > > big-time expert and contributor in the eyes of other big-time
experts
| > and
| > > > contributors. Do you see what I'm saying? It makes you appear as
| > though
| > > you
| > > > have self-declared Eleanor as being near the top of the FP user
| pyramid.
| > > But in
| > > > my opinion, if you are near the top, it then becomes even MORE a
| > > responsibility
| > > > to seriously be compassionate in/with your help. I really believe
| that.
| > > >
| > > > Let me offer a practical observation: When I have a question, the
| very
| > > first
| > > > thing I do is to go to Google Groups and look it up there. For you
| and
| > > me, and
| > > > probably Joe, that is now obvious and second nature. I have my OEx
| set
| > to
| > > > download 210 new posts each time. Well, even including old read
| posts,
| > > you're
| > > > only going to have about 5 or 6 days worth of the group inside your
| > > newsreader
| > > > anyway in a really active group. So even if a question gets
answered
| > > pretty
| > > > often it may not be in the newsreader still. Stay with me here....
so
| > > that
| > > > means searching in Outlook Ex for an answer is useless to me. I
have
| to
| > > go to
| > > > Google. Well, Eleanor, MANY newbies have NO IDEA that they can
search
| > > Google
| > > > for archives. I am constantly telling people that that exists.
| > > >
| > > > So it may well be that instead of being the expert who sort of wants
| to
| > > sound
| > > > like the expert, a more compassionate way to respond to alot of
these
| > > > over-and-over questions, is to start continually mentioning "hey,
head
| > > over to
| > > > http://groups.google.com and do a search there. Sometimes I'll even
| do
| > > the
| > > > search for them, and then post the resulting URL here in the NG for
| the
| > > person.
| > > >
| > > > All of this has to do with being compassionate in your help, above
and
| > > beyond
| > > > helpful. And as a member near the top of the heap, that is (in my
| > > opinion) your
| > > > responsibility.
| > > >
| > > > Joe, chill out, apologize to Eleanor so we can all be happy again.
| You
| > > made
| > > > some very valid and important points, but the personal stuff, I hope
| > > you'll be
| > > > big enough to take back.
| > > >
| > > > Eleanor, you're a good woman. Allow Joe his foibles. Try to be
| genuine
| > > and
| > > > compassionate in your help.
| > > >
| > > > Love to you both...
| > > >
| > > > Tim
| > > >
| > > >
| > > > High Tide Internet
| > > > http://www.hightideinternet.com
| > > >
| > > >
| > > > | > > > Yes, while I have seen your tutorials and appreciate your trying to
| help
| > > > novices who don't know how to properly put images on their web, it
| does
| > > not
| > > > exactly make you Jim Buyens. Also, to tell people that you have to
| start
| > > > over every time your photogallery messes up, does not make you an
| expert
| > > in
| > > > FrontPage. To tell people that there is no way to prevent someone
from
| > > > stealing your pictures from the Web also does not qualify you to
write
| a
| > > > Special Edition book on FrontPage. To jump every time someone asks
| about
| > > > no-right-click to say that the effort is both futile and puerile may
| > make
| > > > you look like an HTML guru in front of newbies, it still does not
| > qualify
| > > > you to become a FrontPage MVP.
| > > >
| > > > I have no problem with you trying to help new-comers, that's the
| spirit
| > of
| > > > these newsgroups. It's your "mother-in-law'ish" attitude that irks
me.
| > You
| > > > scold new-comers like they have sinned by asking a question. (And
| please
| > > > don't teach me how to block a person in my mail program. I've been
| using
| > > > computers and Internet while you were still baking cookies for your
| > > > grandkids and the only computer you had touched till then was your
| blood
| > > > pressure monitoring machine.). Have you ever thought that many new
FP
| > > users
| > > > may not even be familiar with proper terminology to even look it up
| > under
| > > > Help screen? And even if they asked a simple or repetitive question
| like
| > > > right-click, you don't have to attack them by making them look like
an
| > > > idiot. Do you realize that it may be the first ever trip to a
| newsgroup
| > > for
| > > > this person and hence he/she doesn't know how to do a search or is
not
| > > > familiar with the newsgroup etiquettes?
| > > >
| > > > I also resent your chauvinistic attitude towards FrontPage in
contrast
| > to
| > > > Dreamweaver that I have noticed over a period of last few months.
For
| > your
| > > > information I, and I suspect there are many other people like me in
| this
| > > > newsgroup, also use and hang out in Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Flash,
| > > > PhotoShop, PSP, VB, ASP. CSS and other newsgroups. While I have seen
| you
| > > in
| > > > Fireworks group occasionally in the role of a novice and not as an
| > expert,
| > > I
| > > > don't ever recall seeing you in Dreamweaver. So don't give me this
| stuff
| > > > that you have migrated to Dreamweaver and that somehow makes you
| > superior
| > > > than the rest of us who are "still" using (shudder) FrontPage. And
if
| > you
| > > > like Dreamweaver so much then why even worry about coming to
FrontPage
| > > > newsgroup? Oh, I remember, you like the site management and
publishing
| > > part
| > > > of FP, don't you? That's one of the oldest excuses I can remember
| since
| > > FP97
| > > > days that these so-called Dreamweaver pros, like yourself, justify
in
| > > coming
| > > > back to FrontPage. Or, could it be that you are just trying to get a
| > > flavor
| > > > of Dreamweaver to perpetuate the myth that DW users are somehow
| superior
| > > to
| > > > FP users?
| > > >
| > > > As to your question to what I've contributed to this newsgroup,
| probably
| > a
| > > > lot by not insulting others like you do on a regular basis.
| > > >
| > > > Get an attitude adjustment, lady, and get off your permanent PMS.
| Being
| > > > grumpy is not a virtue to boast about. Try to spread some sunshine
| > around
| > > > you, you'll be surprised how it affects your blood pressure.
| > > >
| > > >
| > > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|
sorry, Steve.
--
-----
Tom P. Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
http://microsoft.com/frontpage
To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
----
| Jim,
| In the future if you ever "toss up"
| a post that you wish you hadn't,
| ( we all have at one time or another )
| refresh the newsgroup until the post
| appears, click once to hightlight it, click Messages
| on the Outlook Express Toolbar and select "Cancel Post"
|
| hth
| ;-)
|
| --
| using 2k PRO but....95isalive
| This site is best viewed............
| .......................with a computer
|
| | > Tim and JoAnn:
| >
| > Thanks for your wonderful words. I, once again, apologize for my
emotional
| > outbursts that were so out of line and out of bound. I just wish I could
| > take 'em back. I'll be fine in next couple of days but this incident
will
| > remain in my mind for a long time to come as one of the lowest points of
| my
| > life. I will use it as a lesson and move on to become a much better
person
| > than I am now.
| >
| > I hope Eleanor comes back here and forgives me.
| >
| > Regards and thanks,
| >
| > Joe
| >
| > | > > Joe,
| > > Your response to all of this is huge. These newsgroups are chock full
| of
| > weak
| > > people who hide behind computers in little sad and dark rooms, and
spout
| > their
| > > crap out at other people. Things they would NEVER say to someone in
| > person.
| > >
| > > LET ME BE VERY CLEAR HERE!!!!!!!! I AM NOT SAYING THAT ABOUT
| > YOU!!!!!!!!!!
| > >
| > > What I am saying is that sadly, since the inception of newsgroups,
| they've
| > just
| > > become a place for cowards to come and flame. This Frontpage group
has
| > VERY
| > > thankfully stayed mostly on track and away from that.
| > >
| > > You did not do what I consider flaming. You had your heart and your
| > intentions
| > > firmly in the right place. I OFTEN, oh my God, SO OFTEN, feel like
| > lashing out
| > > at people who aren't helpful; they just say crap to see their IDIOCY
on
| > screen.
| > > (Example: "Eleanor's website is about her and mudbaths, she's not
| getting
| > > attention like younger women.... blah blah blah)
| > > I understand your feelings in your original response/post. I really
do.
| > Your
| > > points were well made, and you felt them in your heart. And as you
| > clearly see
| > > now..... it's the personal stuff that hurts.
| > >
| > > Eleanor really is a decent woman, and I'm sure she will forgive you.
It
| > took
| > > some humongous courage and sacrifice to come back in here and
apologize,
| > and I
| > > have a huge amount of admiration for you right now. You are sincere,
| and
| > I
| > > suspect a very wonderful person. Sometimes we make these errors in
| life.
| > Do
| > > forgive yourself.
| > >
| > > Have a great rest of the weekend!
| > >
| > > Tim
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > > | > > Tim:
| > >
| > > You are absolutely right. I am so darned ashamed of myself that I
cannot
| > > even explain. I feel like two inches tall and a complete jerk. What in
| the
| > > world was I thinking? I assure you I was not on drugs - never been on
| it.
| > It
| > > was a complete lapse of good judgment on my part and I certainly beg
for
| > > Eleanor's apology though I don't think she will ever forgive me. I
have
| > > never felt so bad in letting my stupid, ignorant, arrogant emotions
take
| > > over my judgment. Even if Eleanor forgives me, I will never be able to
| > > forgive myself for reacting like a spoiled child.
| > >
| > > I know words are like shots, can't be taken back, but if there is any
| such
| > > thing as repentance, I will certainly do it. Eleanor, I am so sorry. I
| > have
| > > just lowered my estimation about myself in my own eyes.
| > >
| > > And Tim, thank you for putting me in my place. Seriously.
| > >
| > > Joe,
| > > A grown-up man who acted like an idiot and a jerk but is truly,
| sincerely
| > > sorry.
| > >
| > >
| > > | > > > Joe and Eleanor,
| > > > Wow, Joe, quite a diatribe there. Boiling this down to its very
| basics,
| > > Eleanor
| > > > has never sunk to making personal attacks on people. And in making
| > > personal
| > > > attacks and name-calling you really show yourself to be the very
| person
| > > that you
| > > > claim Eleanor is (in so many words.) So you have failed yourself in
| > that
| > > > regard. Secondly who made you "newsgroup cop?" Are you the
protector
| > for
| > > all
| > > > the pitiful and downtrodden newsgroup users? Eleanor has NEVER
| claimed
| > to
| > > be
| > > > Jim Buyens, and she's smart enough to know to never claim to be
| someone
| > > she
| > > > isn't. But YOU claim to know exactly who she is and YOU know very
| > little
| > > about
| > > > her.
| > > > I mean what is this exactly Joe:
| > > >
| > > > .....(And please
| > > > don't teach me how to block a person in my mail program. I've been
| using
| > > > computers and Internet while you were still baking cookies for your
| > > > grandkids and the only computer you had touched till then was your
| blood
| > > > pressure monitoring machine.)....
| > > >
| > > > Have you been to Eleanor's house to see her baking cookies, hooked
up
| to
| > a
| > > blood
| > > > pressure machine? See, it's attacks like that which place you in
the
| > > great
| > > > pantheon of people who lower themselves to very level of which they
| are
| > > > condemning. Do you not understand how YOU made YOURSELF look in
this
| > post
| > > you
| > > > tendered? What qualifies you to come in here and be the newsgroup
| cop?
| > I
| > > > suspect absolutely nothing. How do you act when you're not hiding
| > behind
| > > a
| > > > computer screen Joe?
| > > >
| > > > PART 2.
| > > >
| > > > Hang tight Joe, I'm not letting Eleanor off either.
| > > >
| > > > Now Eleanor.....
....... have you ever seen the Saturday Night| Live
| > > skit
| > > > about "Your Company's Computer Guy"??? MANY and I mean MANY!
computer
| > > people
| > > > tend to turn into this guy. We get to that point where things are
| > > absolutely
| > > > second nature to us, and have moved on to some really seriously
| complex
| > > stuff.
| > > > So when somebody asks a really trivial question that has been
answered
| > 74
| > > times
| > > > already in the past 10 days, we tend to pounce on them a little bit.
| > You
| > > have
| > > > been guilty, I have been guilty, the MVP's God bless'em are guilty
| alot.
| > > But I
| > > > know their frustration.
| > > >
| > > > One of the points Joe makes is valid - to a degree - that in being
| short
| > > with
| > > > people in your replies, you tend to appear as though YOU want to
| appear
| > as
| > > a
| > > > big-time expert and contributor in the eyes of other big-time
experts
| > and
| > > > contributors. Do you see what I'm saying? It makes you appear as
| > though
| > > you
| > > > have self-declared Eleanor as being near the top of the FP user
| pyramid.
| > > But in
| > > > my opinion, if you are near the top, it then becomes even MORE a
| > > responsibility
| > > > to seriously be compassionate in/with your help. I really believe
| that.
| > > >
| > > > Let me offer a practical observation: When I have a question, the
| very
| > > first
| > > > thing I do is to go to Google Groups and look it up there. For you
| and
| > > me, and
| > > > probably Joe, that is now obvious and second nature. I have my OEx
| set
| > to
| > > > download 210 new posts each time. Well, even including old read
| posts,
| > > you're
| > > > only going to have about 5 or 6 days worth of the group inside your
| > > newsreader
| > > > anyway in a really active group. So even if a question gets
answered
| > > pretty
| > > > often it may not be in the newsreader still. Stay with me here....
so
| > > that
| > > > means searching in Outlook Ex for an answer is useless to me. I
have
| to
| > > go to
| > > > Google. Well, Eleanor, MANY newbies have NO IDEA that they can
search
| > > > for archives. I am constantly telling people that that exists.
| > > >
| > > > So it may well be that instead of being the expert who sort of wants
| to
| > > sound
| > > > like the expert, a more compassionate way to respond to alot of
these
| > > > over-and-over questions, is to start continually mentioning "hey,
head
| > > over to
| > > > http://groups.google.com and do a search there. Sometimes I'll even
| do
| > > the
| > > > search for them, and then post the resulting URL here in the NG for
| the
| > > person.
| > > >
| > > > All of this has to do with being compassionate in your help, above
and
| > > beyond
| > > > helpful. And as a member near the top of the heap, that is (in my
| > > opinion) your
| > > > responsibility.
| > > >
| > > > Joe, chill out, apologize to Eleanor so we can all be happy again.
| You
| > > made
| > > > some very valid and important points, but the personal stuff, I hope
| > > you'll be
| > > > big enough to take back.
| > > >
| > > > Eleanor, you're a good woman. Allow Joe his foibles. Try to be
| genuine
| > > and
| > > > compassionate in your help.
| > > >
| > > > Love to you both...
| > > >
| > > > Tim
| > > >
| > > >
| > > > High Tide Internet
| > > > http://www.hightideinternet.com
| > > >
| > > >
| > > > | > > > Yes, while I have seen your tutorials and appreciate your trying to
| help
| > > > novices who don't know how to properly put images on their web, it
| does
| > > not
| > > > exactly make you Jim Buyens. Also, to tell people that you have to
| start
| > > > over every time your photogallery messes up, does not make you an
| expert
| > > in
| > > > FrontPage. To tell people that there is no way to prevent someone
from
| > > > stealing your pictures from the Web also does not qualify you to
write
| a
| > > > Special Edition book on FrontPage. To jump every time someone asks
| about
| > > > no-right-click to say that the effort is both futile and puerile may
| > make
| > > > you look like an HTML guru in front of newbies, it still does not
| > qualify
| > > > you to become a FrontPage MVP.
| > > >
| > > > I have no problem with you trying to help new-comers, that's the
| spirit
| > of
| > > > these newsgroups. It's your "mother-in-law'ish" attitude that irks
me.
| > You
| > > > scold new-comers like they have sinned by asking a question. (And
| please
| > > > don't teach me how to block a person in my mail program. I've been
| using
| > > > computers and Internet while you were still baking cookies for your
| > > > grandkids and the only computer you had touched till then was your
| blood
| > > > pressure monitoring machine.). Have you ever thought that many new
FP
| > > users
| > > > may not even be familiar with proper terminology to even look it up
| > under
| > > > Help screen? And even if they asked a simple or repetitive question
| like
| > > > right-click, you don't have to attack them by making them look like
an
| > > > idiot. Do you realize that it may be the first ever trip to a
| newsgroup
| > > for
| > > > this person and hence he/she doesn't know how to do a search or is
not
| > > > familiar with the newsgroup etiquettes?
| > > >
| > > > I also resent your chauvinistic attitude towards FrontPage in
contrast
| > to
| > > > Dreamweaver that I have noticed over a period of last few months.
For
| > your
| > > > information I, and I suspect there are many other people like me in
| this
| > > > newsgroup, also use and hang out in Dreamweaver, Fireworks, Flash,
| > > > PhotoShop, PSP, VB, ASP. CSS and other newsgroups. While I have seen
| you
| > > in
| > > > Fireworks group occasionally in the role of a novice and not as an
| > expert,
| > > I
| > > > don't ever recall seeing you in Dreamweaver. So don't give me this
| stuff
| > > > that you have migrated to Dreamweaver and that somehow makes you
| > superior
| > > > than the rest of us who are "still" using (shudder) FrontPage. And
if
| > you
| > > > like Dreamweaver so much then why even worry about coming to
FrontPage
| > > > newsgroup? Oh, I remember, you like the site management and
publishing
| > > part
| > > > of FP, don't you? That's one of the oldest excuses I can remember
| since
| > > FP97
| > > > days that these so-called Dreamweaver pros, like yourself, justify
in
| > > coming
| > > > back to FrontPage. Or, could it be that you are just trying to get a
| > > flavor
| > > > of Dreamweaver to perpetuate the myth that DW users are somehow
| superior
| > > to
| > > > FP users?
| > > >
| > > > As to your question to what I've contributed to this newsgroup,
| probably
| > a
| > > > lot by not insulting others like you do on a regular basis.
| > > >
| > > > Get an attitude adjustment, lady, and get off your permanent PMS.
| Being
| > > > grumpy is not a virtue to boast about. Try to spread some sunshine
| > around
| > > > you, you'll be surprised how it affects your blood pressure.
| > > >
| > > >
| > > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|
S
Steve Easton
Tom I've done it.
( or at least I thought I did )
( or at least I thought I did )
E
E. T. Culling
I do take issue with this reasoning! Sounds like you think you know me!!Have
you read the tutorials??? After reading them I do hope that people will
enjoy the photography from my travels. Is that wrong? I sure am taking a
beating here. Why do YOU spend time here in this newsgroup??
Joe, your apology is accepted, thank you!
Thank you to all who tried to help out with this discussion.
Now I think I shall go play around in Dreamweaver land.
Eleanor
you read the tutorials??? After reading them I do hope that people will
enjoy the photography from my travels. Is that wrong? I sure am taking a
beating here. Why do YOU spend time here in this newsgroup??
Joe, your apology is accepted, thank you!
Thank you to all who tried to help out with this discussion.
Now I think I shall go play around in Dreamweaver land.
Eleanor
E
E. T. Culling
Thank you very much!
Eleanor
Eleanor
JL Amerson said:
J
Joe Bigelow
Tim and JoAnn:
Thanks for your wonderful words. I, once again, apologize for my emotional
outbursts that were so out of line and out of bound. I just wish I could
take 'em back. I'll be fine in next couple of days but this incident will
remain in my mind for a long time to come as one of the lowest points of my
life. I will use it as a lesson and move on to become a much better person
than I am now.
I hope Eleanor comes back here and forgives me.
Regards and thanks,
Joe
Thanks for your wonderful words. I, once again, apologize for my emotional
outbursts that were so out of line and out of bound. I just wish I could
take 'em back. I'll be fine in next couple of days but this incident will
remain in my mind for a long time to come as one of the lowest points of my
life. I will use it as a lesson and move on to become a much better person
than I am now.
I hope Eleanor comes back here and forgives me.
Regards and thanks,
Joe