Frontpage 2000 alternative?

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Rod said:
Frontpage >> produces bad code. Most other wysiwyg editors do too.
Anyone who >> wants to make good webpages will have to learn some
basic html and >> css. That less difficult that some people seem to
think and you >> don't have to know everything there is to know about
html and css to >> make a good website. The content is still the most
important thing >> about a website.

One talented webdesigner once said about WYSIWYG-editors: They have a
habit of adding unneeded tags and can ruin tuned html code and
generally wreak havoc on a design.

Rod
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Yes they do. I still stand by that. Now read what I said just above
that...

"but after that, if you want good code behind the design, you'll have
to go in by hand and fix the code."

Understood?

-Garrett
 
REM said:
The more I play with some of the wysiwyg the more I'm convinced
that many can write quality code. I'm using EvrSoft 1st Page 2000 now
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1st page 2000 is not a WYSIWYG editor.

-Garrett
 
Garrett said:
Yes they do. I still stand by that. Now read what I said just above
that...
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I read it, just liked the words you put it in you-know-where, BTW, it was a
compliment.
"but after that, if you want good code behind the design, you'll have
to go in by hand and fix the code."

Understood?
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Absolutely, it's the way I always go with my far inferior designs. It's
confrontating to see it's just a lack of designing skills what makes the
result poor in my 'designs' :(

Rod
 
Rod wrote:

[snip]
Absolutely, it's the way I always go with my far inferior designs.
It's confrontating to see it's just a lack of designing skills what
makes the result poor in my 'designs' :(

Rod
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My bad, I thought you misunderstood what I was saying.

-Garrett
 
Garrett said:
Rod wrote:

[snip]
Absolutely, it's the way I always go with my far inferior designs.
It's confrontating to see it's just a lack of designing skills what
makes the result poor in my 'designs' :(
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My bad, I thought you misunderstood what I was saying.

-Garrett
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No bad, usenet often reminds me of this line from 10cc's The Things We Do
For Love: "Communication is the problem to the answer" :)
The new PL-site looks absolutely great, thanks for the hard work.

Rod
 
Rod said:
Garrett said:
Rod wrote:

[snip]
Absolutely, it's the way I always go with my far inferior designs.
It's confrontating to see it's just a lack of designing skills what
makes the result poor in my 'designs' :(
Click to expand...

My bad, I thought you misunderstood what I was saying.

-Garrett
Click to expand...

No bad, usenet often reminds me of this line from 10cc's The Things
We Do For Love: "Communication is the problem to the answer" :)
The new PL-site looks absolutely great, thanks for the hard work.

Rod
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Holy Bat Poop! I haven't heard a 10cc song ages now! I still have
Animals sitting around and play "House of the Rising Sun" now and then,
just to return to the past gracefully :-)

-Garrett

"Oh mother tell your children Not to do what I have done"
 
For a replacement for the old FrontPage express that came with 98,
this is good:
WYSIWYG Web Builder
http://www.pablovandermeer.nl/web_builder.html

it doesnt use an installer either, but since it is a wysiwyg editor,
it has the limitations illustrated in previous posts. Still, nice
freebie though :)

best
xtort
[xtort.net]

Garrett said:
Rod said:
Garrett said:
Rod wrote:

[snip]

Absolutely, it's the way I always go with my far inferior designs.
It's confrontating to see it's just a lack of designing skills what
makes the result poor in my 'designs' :(


My bad, I thought you misunderstood what I was saying.

-Garrett
Click to expand...

No bad, usenet often reminds me of this line from 10cc's The Things
We Do For Love: "Communication is the problem to the answer" :)
The new PL-site looks absolutely great, thanks for the hard work.

Rod
Click to expand...

Holy Bat Poop! I haven't heard a 10cc song ages now! I still have
Animals sitting around and play "House of the Rising Sun" now and then,
just to return to the past gracefully :-)

-Garrett

"Oh mother tell your children Not to do what I have done"
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Thanks for that - will investigate.

xtort said:
For a replacement for the old FrontPage express that came with 98,
this is good:
WYSIWYG Web Builder
http://www.pablovandermeer.nl/web_builder.html

it doesnt use an installer either, but since it is a wysiwyg editor,
it has the limitations illustrated in previous posts. Still, nice
freebie though :)

best
xtort
[xtort.net]

"Garrett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
Rod said:
Garrett wrote:
Rod wrote:

[snip]

Absolutely, it's the way I always go with my far inferior designs.
It's confrontating to see it's just a lack of designing skills what
makes the result poor in my 'designs' :(


My bad, I thought you misunderstood what I was saying.

-Garrett

No bad, usenet often reminds me of this line from 10cc's The Things
We Do For Love: "Communication is the problem to the answer" :)
The new PL-site looks absolutely great, thanks for the hard work.

Rod
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Holy Bat Poop! I haven't heard a 10cc song ages now! I still have
Animals sitting around and play "House of the Rising Sun" now and then,
just to return to the past gracefully :-)

-Garrett

"Oh mother tell your children Not to do what I have done"
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Well I couldn't have you wasting your holiday time ;-) - so I just
installed it again, and tried to open a file I'd written in 1st Page
2000. No problems at all, lets me open, edit, save, etc. I also had a
go with a page written using Notepad - again, no problems.

I don't think there is any "proprietary format" for Webwriter - it
does insert header information to the effect that it's what you used
to create the page, but the html is all standard and it just saves as
html, no export needed. Are you sure you're thinking of the right
program?
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OIC, now. Stones is not WYSIWYG, which I am confusing with Web Dwarf
and a few others that are WYSIWYG, that use a proprietary format to save
the pages. You then export them to HTML. That is where I was confused.
I have tried so many different HTML editors that my head is spinning,
but I still keep coming back to HTML Kit. If I have to have a WYSIWYG,
I just grab FPX.

Thanx for correcting me!

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There are a couple of wysiwyg editors that use a wysiwyg platform to
create CSS markup. These two editors generate output using absolute
positioning:
DHE Editor
http://www.hexagora.com
and
Ims Web Dwarf
http://www.virtualmechanics.com/products/dwarf/

as mentioned in earlier posts, they generate output in a proprietory
format, but export, and ftp publish in html. They look very good, bot
of them. I wish that all the other editors, like composer for example,
would generate CSS. With the markup that these generate, all you have
to do to avoid redundant code is remove the style attributes in each
"div" and put them in one central stylesheet.

best
xtort
[xtort.net]

Rod said:
Garrett said:
Rod wrote:

[snip]
Absolutely, it's the way I always go with my far inferior designs.
It's confrontating to see it's just a lack of designing skills what
makes the result poor in my 'designs' :(
Click to expand...

My bad, I thought you misunderstood what I was saying.

-Garrett
Click to expand...

No bad, usenet often reminds me of this line from 10cc's The Things We Do
For Love: "Communication is the problem to the answer" :)
The new PL-site looks absolutely great, thanks for the hard work.

Rod
Click to expand...
 
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