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jon
hummingbird said:
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Franklin
Susan said:If you have to buy something to be entitled to a "free" program it's still
free . (Software that's included in a camera
purchase is free - it's part of the package you buy.)
R
Robert Coe
: Wlm Singleton wrote:
: > On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:00:16 -0400, Robert Coe wrote:
:
: >>Does the software included with a camera purchase count as freeware?
:
: > Good question. I'd say no as that software isn't easily downloadable (I
: > would think) so let's restrict it to free software that can be downloaded.
:
: If you have to BUY something to be *entitled* to a "free" program it's
: neither free nor Freeware. (Software that's included in a camera
: PURCHASE is not free - it's part of the package you BUY.)
Fair enough. But what is the purpose of the list? If it's to assist the reader
in selecting among the many available "free" programs, shouldn't it include
those that were "free" to him, even though they may not have been available to
everyone? The CDs provided by major manufacturers (Nikon, Canon, et al) to
those who buy their cameras get very wide circulation, and some of the
programs included are very good (while some, of course, are junk). I'd expect
many users to find it helpful to know how those programs stack up against
those that can be downloaded free from the Web.
OTOH, if constructing the list is seen merely as an intellectual exercise
unrelated to its value to others, then those who compile it should feel free
to impose whatever criteria they please for what gets included and what
doesn't. But then, why bother?
Bob
: > On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:00:16 -0400, Robert Coe wrote:
:
: >>Does the software included with a camera purchase count as freeware?
:
: > Good question. I'd say no as that software isn't easily downloadable (I
: > would think) so let's restrict it to free software that can be downloaded.
:
: If you have to BUY something to be *entitled* to a "free" program it's
: neither free nor Freeware. (Software that's included in a camera
: PURCHASE is not free - it's part of the package you BUY.)
Fair enough. But what is the purpose of the list? If it's to assist the reader
in selecting among the many available "free" programs, shouldn't it include
those that were "free" to him, even though they may not have been available to
everyone? The CDs provided by major manufacturers (Nikon, Canon, et al) to
those who buy their cameras get very wide circulation, and some of the
programs included are very good (while some, of course, are junk). I'd expect
many users to find it helpful to know how those programs stack up against
those that can be downloaded free from the Web.
OTOH, if constructing the list is seen merely as an intellectual exercise
unrelated to its value to others, then those who compile it should feel free
to impose whatever criteria they please for what gets included and what
doesn't. But then, why bother?
Bob
F
Franklin
Robert said:But what is the purpose of the list?
Because they are control freaks.
If it's to assist the reader
in selecting among the many available "free" programs, shouldn't it include
those that were "free" to him, even though they may not have been available to
everyone?
Exactly.
OTOH, if constructing the list is seen merely as an intellectual exercise
unrelated to its value to others, then those who compile it should feel free
to impose whatever criteria they please for what gets included and what
doesn't. But then, why bother?
Exactly.
S
Susan Bugher
Robert said:: Wlm Singleton wrote:
: > On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:00:16 -0400, Robert Coe wrote:
:
: >>Does the software included with a camera purchase count as freeware?
:
: > Good question. I'd say no as that software isn't easily downloadable (I
: > would think) so let's restrict it to free software that can be downloaded.
:
: If you have to BUY something to be *entitled* to a "free" program it's
: neither free nor Freeware. (Software that's included in a camera
: PURCHASE is not free - it's part of the package you BUY.)
Fair enough. But what is the purpose of the list?
??? I *think* you're asking about the list that's being compiled in this
thread by Wlm Singleton. My answer is "dunno". Please advise if I
misinterpreted the question.
Susan
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C
Craig
Robert said:: Wlm Singleton wrote:
: > On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:00:16 -0400, Robert Coe wrote:
:
: >>Does the software included with a camera purchase count as freeware?
:
: > Good question. I'd say no as that software isn't easily downloadable (I
: > would think) so let's restrict it to free software that can be downloaded.
:
: If you have to BUY something to be *entitled* to a "free" program it's
: neither free nor Freeware. (Software that's included in a camera
: PURCHASE is not free - it's part of the package you BUY.)
Fair enough. But what is the purpose of the list? If it's to assist the reader
in selecting among the many available "free" programs, shouldn't it include
those that were "free" to him, even though they may not have been available to
everyone?
For the alt.comp.freeware definition of freeware, no. ACF has been
cobbling together listings on programs which *accessed* and used for
free. This does not apply to what happens to be bundled with your
latest purchase. You may want to take a look at ACF's FAQ for further
details <http://users.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html>.
In a perfect world, we'd have all proggies listed & catagorized to all
specifications suggested. That's a tall order and beyond the scope of
what we do. But then, you should feel free to start up a list based on
your own criteria.
OTOH, if constructing the list is seen merely as an intellectual exercise
unrelated to its value to others...
Robert, either that was your ignorance speaking when you wrote that or
you're baiting. Did I miss a 3rd option?
<shrug>
-Craig
R
Robert Coe
: Robert Coe wrote:
: > : Wlm Singleton wrote:
: > : > On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:00:16 -0400, Robert Coe wrote:
: > :
: > : >>Does the software included with a camera purchase count as freeware?
: > :
: > : > Good question. I'd say no as that software isn't easily downloadable (I
: > : > would think) so let's restrict it to free software that can be downloaded.
: > :
: > : If you have to BUY something to be *entitled* to a "free" program it's
: > : neither free nor Freeware. (Software that's included in a camera
: > : PURCHASE is not free - it's part of the package you BUY.)
: >
: > Fair enough. But what is the purpose of the list?
:
: ??? I *think* you're asking about the list that's being compiled in this
: thread by Wlm Singleton. My answer is "dunno". Please advise if I
: misinterpreted the question.
I guess I'm as confused as you are. If you don't know the purpose of the list,
how can you undertake to render a definitive answer as to what should and
shouldn't be included (as you appeared to do in your previous post)?
Bob
: > : Wlm Singleton wrote:
: > : > On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:00:16 -0400, Robert Coe wrote:
: > :
: > : >>Does the software included with a camera purchase count as freeware?
: > :
: > : > Good question. I'd say no as that software isn't easily downloadable (I
: > : > would think) so let's restrict it to free software that can be downloaded.
: > :
: > : If you have to BUY something to be *entitled* to a "free" program it's
: > : neither free nor Freeware. (Software that's included in a camera
: > : PURCHASE is not free - it's part of the package you BUY.)
: >
: > Fair enough. But what is the purpose of the list?
:
: ??? I *think* you're asking about the list that's being compiled in this
: thread by Wlm Singleton. My answer is "dunno". Please advise if I
: misinterpreted the question.
I guess I'm as confused as you are. If you don't know the purpose of the list,
how can you undertake to render a definitive answer as to what should and
shouldn't be included (as you appeared to do in your previous post)?
Bob
R
Robert Coe
: Robert Coe wrote:
: > : Wlm Singleton wrote:
: > : > On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:00:16 -0400, Robert Coe wrote:
: > :
: > : >>Does the software included with a camera purchase count as freeware?
: > :
: > : > Good question. I'd say no as that software isn't easily downloadable (I
: > : > would think) so let's restrict it to free software that can be downloaded.
: > :
: > : If you have to BUY something to be *entitled* to a "free" program it's
: > : neither free nor Freeware. (Software that's included in a camera
: > : PURCHASE is not free - it's part of the package you BUY.)
: >
: > Fair enough. But what is the purpose of the list? If it's to assist the reader
: > in selecting among the many available "free" programs, shouldn't it include
: > those that were "free" to him, even though they may not have been available to
: > everyone?
:
: For the alt.comp.freeware definition of freeware, no. ACF has been
: cobbling together listings on programs which *accessed* and used for
: free. This does not apply to what happens to be bundled with your
: latest purchase. You may want to take a look at ACF's FAQ for further
: details <http://users.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html>.
:
: In a perfect world, we'd have all proggies listed & catagorized to all
: specifications suggested. That's a tall order and beyond the scope of
: what we do. But then, you should feel free to start up a list based on
: your own criteria.
:
: > OTOH, if constructing the list is seen merely as an intellectual exercise
: > unrelated to its value to others...
:
: Robert, either that was your ignorance speaking when you wrote that or
: you're baiting. Did I miss a 3rd option?
:
: <shrug>
It was indeed my ignorance speaking. Susan's answer to my previous question
had struck me as inconsistent with any serious purpose that the list was
likely to serve. But that ignorance has been corrected by the clarification
that you regard constructing the list as its own reward and that making it
useful is beyond the scope of what you do. I'll bow out now, as I have better
things to do with my time. Please excuse the intrusion.
Bob
: > : Wlm Singleton wrote:
: > : > On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:00:16 -0400, Robert Coe wrote:
: > :
: > : >>Does the software included with a camera purchase count as freeware?
: > :
: > : > Good question. I'd say no as that software isn't easily downloadable (I
: > : > would think) so let's restrict it to free software that can be downloaded.
: > :
: > : If you have to BUY something to be *entitled* to a "free" program it's
: > : neither free nor Freeware. (Software that's included in a camera
: > : PURCHASE is not free - it's part of the package you BUY.)
: >
: > Fair enough. But what is the purpose of the list? If it's to assist the reader
: > in selecting among the many available "free" programs, shouldn't it include
: > those that were "free" to him, even though they may not have been available to
: > everyone?
:
: For the alt.comp.freeware definition of freeware, no. ACF has been
: cobbling together listings on programs which *accessed* and used for
: free. This does not apply to what happens to be bundled with your
: latest purchase. You may want to take a look at ACF's FAQ for further
: details <http://users.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html>.
:
: In a perfect world, we'd have all proggies listed & catagorized to all
: specifications suggested. That's a tall order and beyond the scope of
: what we do. But then, you should feel free to start up a list based on
: your own criteria.
:
: > OTOH, if constructing the list is seen merely as an intellectual exercise
: > unrelated to its value to others...
:
: Robert, either that was your ignorance speaking when you wrote that or
: you're baiting. Did I miss a 3rd option?
:
: <shrug>
It was indeed my ignorance speaking. Susan's answer to my previous question
had struck me as inconsistent with any serious purpose that the list was
likely to serve. But that ignorance has been corrected by the clarification
that you regard constructing the list as its own reward and that making it
useful is beyond the scope of what you do. I'll bow out now, as I have better
things to do with my time. Please excuse the intrusion.
Bob
S
Susan Bugher
Robert said:: Robert Coe wrote:
: > On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:15:09 -0400, Susan Bugher <[email protected]> wrote:
: > : If you have to BUY something to be *entitled* to a "free" program it's
: > : neither free nor Freeware. (Software that's included in a camera
: > : PURCHASE is not free - it's part of the package you BUY.)
: >
: > Fair enough. But what is the purpose of the list?
:
: ??? I *think* you're asking about the list that's being compiled in this
: thread by Wlm Singleton. My answer is "dunno". Please advise if I
: misinterpreted the question.
I guess I'm as confused as you are. If you don't know the purpose of the list,
how can you undertake to render a definitive answer as to what should and
shouldn't be included (as you appeared to do in your previous post)?
You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. I answered a question
about Freeware: "Does the software included with a camera purchase count
as freeware?"
I'm still unenlightened as to the meaning of your question - the one
about "the list".
EOT for me
Susan
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R
Robert Coe
: Robert Coe wrote:
: > : Robert Coe wrote:
:
: > : > : If you have to BUY something to be *entitled* to a "free" program it's
: > : > : neither free nor Freeware. (Software that's included in a camera
: > : > : PURCHASE is not free - it's part of the package you BUY.)
: > : >
: > : > Fair enough. But what is the purpose of the list?
: > :
: > : ??? I *think* you're asking about the list that's being compiled in this
: > : thread by Wlm Singleton. My answer is "dunno". Please advise if I
: > : misinterpreted the question.
: >
: > I guess I'm as confused as you are. If you don't know the purpose of the list,
: > how can you undertake to render a definitive answer as to what should and
: > shouldn't be included (as you appeared to do in your previous post)?
:
: You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. I answered a question
: about Freeware: "Does the software included with a camera purchase count
: as freeware?"
:
: I'm still unenlightened as to the meaning of your question - the one
: about "the list".
:
: EOT for me
I meant the list referred to in the subject of this thread.
Bob
: > : Robert Coe wrote:
:
: > : > : If you have to BUY something to be *entitled* to a "free" program it's
: > : > : neither free nor Freeware. (Software that's included in a camera
: > : > : PURCHASE is not free - it's part of the package you BUY.)
: > : >
: > : > Fair enough. But what is the purpose of the list?
: > :
: > : ??? I *think* you're asking about the list that's being compiled in this
: > : thread by Wlm Singleton. My answer is "dunno". Please advise if I
: > : misinterpreted the question.
: >
: > I guess I'm as confused as you are. If you don't know the purpose of the list,
: > how can you undertake to render a definitive answer as to what should and
: > shouldn't be included (as you appeared to do in your previous post)?
:
: You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. I answered a question
: about Freeware: "Does the software included with a camera purchase count
: as freeware?"
:
: I'm still unenlightened as to the meaning of your question - the one
: about "the list".
:
: EOT for me
I meant the list referred to in the subject of this thread.
Bob
H
hummingbird
The free version is hopelessly crippled.
horses for courses.
--
1.John Corliss says people should publish who they're filtering out:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/4be29402fbf31c0e
I don't like publicising such things but here's my list so far:
1,John Corliss 2,Franklin 3,Mike Dee (killfiled)
2.I do not killfile googlegroups posts.
M
M.L.
So far, these are the windows freeware photo editing recommendations:
OFTEN RECOMMENDED
http://www.gimp.org/ (The Gimp, functional editor)
http://www.irfanview.com/ (Irfanview, fast viewer)
http://www.getpaint.net/ (Paint.Net, functional MS Paint replacement)
SOMETIMES RECOMMENDED
https://sourceforge.net/projects/cinepaint/ (CinePaint, GIMP+)
http://www.xnview.com/ (XnView, fast viewer on Mac & Linux too)
http://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm (Faststone, great
cropping) http://picasa.google.com/ (Picasa, what is it's claim to
fame?) http://photoscape.en.softonic.com/ (Photoscape, functional
editor) http://photofiltre.free.fr/ (Photofiltre, claim to fame?)
http://www.artweaver.de/index.php?en_version (Artweaver, creates too)
http://www.freeserifsoftware.com (PhotoPlus6, claim to fame?)
http://www.vicman.net/ (Vicman, claim to fame?)
http://www.mediachance.com/dce/index.html (DigitalEnhancer, claim to
fame?)
NOT RECOMMENDED:
http://www.snapfire.com/ (Snapfire, suspect Corel bait-n-switchware)
How was that list compiled, and what is the point of separating Often
and Sometimes? I doubt Paint.Net gets recommended here more than
Photofiltre, Serif PhotoPlus6 or XNview.
M
M.L.
(free) Digital Enhancer:
How so? It does exactly what it states and gets good reviews from this
newsgroup.
The free version is hopelessly crippled.
How so? It does exactly what it states and gets good reviews from this
newsgroup.
M
M.L.
OFTEN RECOMMENDED
PhotoPlus6 is one of the few freebies that supports layers and Photoshop
plugins. What is DigitalMedia? If you're referring to DigitalEnhancer,
it's one of the best image-correction apps available, free or not. BTW,
if you search various freeware sites you'll find that a multitude of
photo editor apps are missing from your list.
http://www.gimp.org/ (The Gimp, functional editor)
http://www.irfanview.com/ (Irfanview, fast viewer)
http://www.getpaint.net/ (Paint.Net, functional MS Paint replacement)
SOMETIMES RECOMMENDED
http://www.xnview.com/ (XnView, fast viewer on Mac & Linux too)
http://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDetail.htm (Faststone, great
cropping) http://picasa.google.com/ (Picasa, what is it's claim to
fame?) http://photoscape.en.softonic.com/ (Photoscape, functional
editor) https://sourceforge.net/projects/cinepaint/ (CinePaint, GIMP+)
http://photofiltre.free.fr/ (Photofiltre, claim to fame?)
http://www.artweaver.de/index.php?en_version (Artweaver, creates too)
http://www.freeserifsoftware.com (PhotoPlus6, claim to fame?)
http://www.vicman.net/ (Vicman, claim to fame?)
http://www.mediachance.com/dce/index.html (DigitalEnhancer, claim to
fame?)
NOT RECOMMENDED
http://www.snapfire.com/ (Snapfire, suspect Corel bait-n-switchware)
Does anyone know what the main claim to fame of the following are?
Picasa
PhotoFiltre
PhotoPlus
Vicman
DigitalMedia
PhotoPlus6 is one of the few freebies that supports layers and Photoshop
plugins. What is DigitalMedia? If you're referring to DigitalEnhancer,
it's one of the best image-correction apps available, free or not. BTW,
if you search various freeware sites you'll find that a multitude of
photo editor apps are missing from your list.
J
jon
M.L. said:How so? It does exactly what it states
The comparison chart is on the website. Here it is again. View with a
fixed pitch font:
Buyware Freeware
Single Image mode yes yes
Basic Enhancing yes yes
Advanced Enhancing yes No
Batch Processing yes No
Fast, responsive preview yes Partially
EXIF aware yes No
Resize option yes No
Optimize Size/Quality yes No
Can add Text to image yes No
Can add Date to image yes No
Loseless rotation yes No
Portrait De-Focus Smoother yes No
HotPixels Removal yes No
Blue Cast Removal yes No
Black Frame HP Eliminator yes No
Filter Simulator yes No
RAW support yes No
Keep Exif data in output yes No
Color Match Minolta to sRGB yes No
Horses for courses as hummingbird would say.
and gets good reviews from this
newsgroup.
Which group? there are 4 in the ng field.
This thread is a good example why x-posting out of acf is usually a
bad idea.
S
SayWhat
: Wlm Singleton wrote:
: > On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 09:00:16 -0400, Robert Coe wrote:
:
: >>Does the software included with a camera purchase count as freeware?
:
: > Good question. I'd say no as that software isn't easily downloadable (I
: > would think) so let's restrict it to free software that can be downloaded.
:
: If you have to BUY something to be *entitled* to a "free" program it's
: neither free nor Freeware. (Software that's included in a camera
: PURCHASE is not free - it's part of the package you BUY.)
Fair enough. But what is the purpose of the list? If it's to assist the reader
in selecting among the many available "free" programs, shouldn't it include
those that were "free" to him, even though they may not have been available to
everyone? The CDs provided by major manufacturers (Nikon, Canon, et al) to
those who buy their cameras get very wide circulation, and some of the
programs included are very good (while some, of course, are junk). I'd expect
many users to find it helpful to know how those programs stack up against
those that can be downloaded free from the Web.
OTOH, if constructing the list is seen merely as an intellectual exercise
unrelated to its value to others, then those who compile it should feel free
to impose whatever criteria they please for what gets included and what
doesn't. But then, why bother?
Bob
Far as I'm concerned ALL software is freeware. I paid my dues long ago after
purchasing programs that became vaporware, or failed to live up to the marketing
hype, or couldn't be returned, or fixed, or the list of reasons why software
purchases never lived up to their claims are endless. I refuse to be a
beta-tester guinea-pig for yet another manipulative control-freak capitalist.
Since that time ALL software is now free. Deciding what is and is not free is
just a matter of how much you want to support the capitalism that is used to
enslave you. I prefer to live and die free, free from control-freaks and
manipulative self-serving capitalist pigs.
A list such as this is just to show the manipulative capitalists that there are
other options to their controlling ways. I have another option which doesn't
ruffle my moral feathers in any way shape or form. I download and use anything
that I want for free, and use it for as long as I want.
You can play their silly control-freak capitalist games, I have better things to
do .... Ah yes, I just got the brand new LightRoom v1.1 for free, I have to see
if it's even worth leaving on my computer.... Heaven knows the rest of Adobe's
crap is not.
W
Wlm Singleton
Fair enough. But what is the purpose of the list?
Mainly, the original purpose was to identify the top handful of free
downloadable windows digital photo editors for MY use and for anyone else
that wanted the benefit of a review on this newsgroup.
I think, in very short order, we've accomplished that task.
As Susan kindly pointed out, there are literally scores of supposedly free
downloadable graphic programs out there but, as this esteemed community has
shown, there are really only a handful of well recommended programs such as
Irfanview & The Gimp that we can all access, for free, on the net.
In the end, the purpose of the list was to give a head start to me and
others so we didn't have to personally test the scores of supposedly free
Windows graphic editors just to find the one, two, or three that we'd end
up using daily.
W
Wlm Singleton
You seem to have a reading comprehension problem. I answered a question
about Freeware: "Does the software included with a camera purchase count
as freeware?"
I'm going to have to agree with Susan in that this thread was never
intended to cover software that wasn't freely downloadable. If the camera
software in question isn't freely available to all on the net, then, for
the purpose of this thread, it's not useful to the majority.
Bear in mind, Consumer Reports did recently review the camera software as
stated in a previous thread so one could look that up but they'd have to
purchase the camera which kind of nullifies the usefulness of that software
for the general populace.
W
Wlm Singleton
I meant the list referred to in the subject of this thread.
The purpose of this question was to list the handful of generally
recommended freely available freely downloadable freely usable windows
digital photo editors.
The reason for that quest was I personally wanted to know which two or
three or four programs I should personally use and recommend to others.
In addition, as I am want to do, I wanted the general populace of digital
photo enthusiasts to benefit from the discussion (hence the specific cross
posted newsgroups).
Lastly, I wanted myself and the others to avoid the pitfalls of the
dangerous software, such as that from Corel which has already been
identified and the others which were mentioned that are nearly broken to
the point of not being as useful as the recommended software.
W
Wlm Singleton
How was that list compiled, and what is the point of separating Often
and Sometimes? I doubt Paint.Net gets recommended here more than
Photofiltre, Serif PhotoPlus6 or XNview.
The list was compiled by googling and asking.
I googled for the top few programs, and asked about the rest.
The community kindly answered the questions and we came up with a short
list of three or four highly recommended programs; the rest of which being
less recommended by virtue of not showing up in the original googling.
The programs that dropped to the not recommended section had proven
themselves to be onerous (eg snapfire) to at least one poster and not
argued vehemently by the majority.
I believe, in just a few posts, this list has served its purpose in listing
the top handful of free windows graphic editor programs (many of which I
was not aware of personally until now).