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Nak
Hi there,
They are Free, and the do not have anywhere near the resources poured into
them to be able to cover all of the aspects. Also Microsoft developed the
..NET Framework so they *should* have more of an understanding about it.
I would *love* to use something else rather that the Microsoft IDE, but they
aren't as good, as simple as that. On the other hand the Free ones aren't
claiming to be something that they are not.
People say hey, $29 upgrade! bargain!, I say yes it may be cheap, but it is
unnecessary due to programming being driven around marketing and at the end
of the day it is still *allot* of money when you are talking about a few
hundred thousand people purchasing it! As well as the upgrade not being
available to *standard* users, because somehow Microsoft have decided that
you cannot develop professionaly with a component of Visual Studio .NET, you
need to whole shebang, which is utter nonsence.
LOL!!! That would be like replying to senders of SPAM asking them to please
stop!!
It's too expensive for me, and too expensive for allot of people. If I
could get a subscription I would, but alas I cannot at the moment, maybe a
future investment. But at the end of the day it's just like software
engineers making games for the latest computers, they very rarely consider
the lower spec systems, they are dead set on you having the biggest and the
best and that is that, so people with lower budgest miss out simply down to
poor design! Ill give you an example of excellent programming, Half Life 2
is coming out in December and it is technically going to beat any other game
in existance, and what's the minimal spec? a 700mhz CPU and DirectX 6!! Now
*that* is good.
What about Visual Studio 6 for chirst sake! That has 5 service packs!!!!
What is the point in releasing a piece of software with an "check for
updates" button that has no intention of ever being implemented. When
Whidbey comes out is it going to display a message box saying, "an update is
available, go purchase it now!".
I think you are missing my point, you can throw money at anything and it
will pretty much fix it, but that is not how everyone wants to work
unfortunately. I do not want to develop on the bleeding edge of technology,
constantly using the latest software that is full of bugs and design flaws,
Id rather use a well refined package that has had all of it's bugs ironed
out over a period of time. Just like software I have released in the past,
I know I am nowhere near the scale of Microsoft, but in essence, software
design is pretty much the same because the second you release that
application, a bug will be found, and would you want to tell your users that
it's tough shit, and that they need to go and buy the new version to fix it?
which will also contain bugs? I don't think so.
Nick.
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"No matter. Whatever the outcome, you are changed."
Fergus - September 5th 2003
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Does Sharp Develop or Eclipse have that ability?
They are Free, and the do not have anywhere near the resources poured into
them to be able to cover all of the aspects. Also Microsoft developed the
..NET Framework so they *should* have more of an understanding about it.
If they do, you could consider using Sharp Develop or Eclipse over VS.NET.
I would *love* to use something else rather that the Microsoft IDE, but they
aren't as good, as simple as that. On the other hand the Free ones aren't
claiming to be something that they are not.
People say hey, $29 upgrade! bargain!, I say yes it may be cheap, but it is
unnecessary due to programming being driven around marketing and at the end
of the day it is still *allot* of money when you are talking about a few
hundred thousand people purchasing it! As well as the upgrade not being
available to *standard* users, because somehow Microsoft have decided that
you cannot develop professionaly with a component of Visual Studio .NET, you
need to whole shebang, which is utter nonsence.
http://register.microsoft.com/mswish/suggestion.asp?&SD=GN&LN=EN-US&gssnb=1Of course you can submit something to MS to request they change the way they
handle it.
LOL!!! That would be like replying to senders of SPAM asking them to please
stop!!
Alternatively you could consider purchasing MSDN Universal, then the expense
is not just for a VS.NET upgrade. But rather MSDN itself, which offers so
much more than just VS.NET.
It's too expensive for me, and too expensive for allot of people. If I
could get a subscription I would, but alas I cannot at the moment, maybe a
future investment. But at the end of the day it's just like software
engineers making games for the latest computers, they very rarely consider
the lower spec systems, they are dead set on you having the biggest and the
best and that is that, so people with lower budgest miss out simply down to
poor design! Ill give you an example of excellent programming, Half Life 2
is coming out in December and it is technically going to beat any other game
in existance, and what's the minimal spec? a 700mhz CPU and DirectX 6!! Now
*that* is good.
That and the bug fixes are why I upgrade to the next version of VS.NET when
I upgrade to the next version of the Framework.
What about Visual Studio 6 for chirst sake! That has 5 service packs!!!!
What is the point in releasing a piece of software with an "check for
updates" button that has no intention of ever being implemented. When
Whidbey comes out is it going to display a message box saying, "an update is
available, go purchase it now!".
I think you are missing my point, you can throw money at anything and it
will pretty much fix it, but that is not how everyone wants to work
unfortunately. I do not want to develop on the bleeding edge of technology,
constantly using the latest software that is full of bugs and design flaws,
Id rather use a well refined package that has had all of it's bugs ironed
out over a period of time. Just like software I have released in the past,
I know I am nowhere near the scale of Microsoft, but in essence, software
design is pretty much the same because the second you release that
application, a bug will be found, and would you want to tell your users that
it's tough shit, and that they need to go and buy the new version to fix it?
which will also contain bugs? I don't think so.
Nick.
--
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
"No matter. Whatever the outcome, you are changed."
Fergus - September 5th 2003
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