T
Timothy Daniels
Thanks again, Jef.
*TimDaniels*
*TimDaniels*
R
Rod Speed
Timothy Daniels said:
Yep, you're becoming a complete laughing stock.
More ram is ALWAYS an option.
And he was rubbing your nose in your basic stupidity that
EITHER 384MB is enough physical ram and the pagefile
isnt being used for other than the XP startup ops, OR
the pagefile is being used a lot BECAUSE you dont have
enough physical ram, in which case you can fiddle with the
detail of the pagefile until the cows come home if you like, it
wont help worth a damn with a decent performance hard drive.
Doesnt cost anything like that.
See above.
So your claim that you have enough physical ram is just plain wrong.
Depends on which compiler you are using.
Dud assumption.
And only fools who havent got a clue obsessively defrag anyway.
Because if you dont have enough physical ram, it will
make sweet **** all difference when the boot drive
is a decent modern performance drive, bonehead.
Try it and see.
Bet you wont have the balls to admit
that it makes sweet **** all difference.
And everyone keeps telling you that the pagefile
does NOT get included in the image file.
Get sillier by the minute. You'll get the same effect by moving
some stuff off the boot drive to the other drive, stupid.
More fool you.
Wrong question, stupid.
Anyone analy obsessing about which to use, fool.
You, fool.
And EVERYONE with a clue has kept telling you
what been spelt out a number times at the top, stupid.
Wrong. As always. Everyone has been rubbing YOUR stupid
nose in the basics that you cant manage to grasp, stupid.
Because thats the only thing that matters, ****wit.
Wrong questions, fool.
Everyone has been providing simple
answers right from the start, wanker.
Its simply answered right at the top, ****wit.
Wrong. As always. Anyone with any sense would
have pointed out the complete irrelevancy of the
'simple answers' you keep demanding, child.
Just what are you 'studying', child ?
Hope its not rocket science. You'll fail.
J
J.Clarke
<http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.php> should tell you everything you want
to know about dinking with pagefiles. It took me less than two minutes
to find that with Google.
Do you need 768 meg to achieve your objectives? Why would you pay $250?
You can get 256 meg DIMMs from Crucial for 65 bucks a shot.
Only when the compilation cannot be performed in the available physical
memory.
Only when the defrag cannot be performed using the available physical
memory.
The pagefile is used for two purposes in Windows. One is to use cheap
disk space as a slow supplement to RAM--the pagefile is under that
circumstance treated by application programs as just more RAM and it is
not used differently by them than is any other RAM. The other is to
hold a dump of the system RAM in the event of a crash for the purposes
of debugging. For that purpose the pagefile on drive C and only the
pagefile on drive C is used.
Any time your system is paging it is running much more slowly than it
would if it did not need to page.
The question is not whether to use them. The question is whether using
them to hold a pagefile will gain you anything.
If you don't need a practical difference then why did you ask the
question?
Anybody who really cares about fine tuning the pagefile is agonizing.
That's because what you propose to do is going to have very little
effect on the performance of your system and is usually not worth the
effort.
It would help if you were clear in what you were asking. Is your
question "what can I do to my system to make compiles faster" or is your
question "I have an extra drive, what is the best way to use it?" or is
your question "what is the optimal configuration for a pagefile given
384 meg of RAM and two drives, one of which is currently empty?" Or is
it something else?
to know about dinking with pagefiles. It took me less than two minutes
to find that with Google.
Do you need 768 meg to achieve your objectives? Why would you pay $250?
You can get 256 meg DIMMs from Crucial for 65 bucks a shot.
Only when the compilation cannot be performed in the available physical
memory.
Only when the defrag cannot be performed using the available physical
memory.
The pagefile is used for two purposes in Windows. One is to use cheap
disk space as a slow supplement to RAM--the pagefile is under that
circumstance treated by application programs as just more RAM and it is
not used differently by them than is any other RAM. The other is to
hold a dump of the system RAM in the event of a crash for the purposes
of debugging. For that purpose the pagefile on drive C and only the
pagefile on drive C is used.
Any time your system is paging it is running much more slowly than it
would if it did not need to page.
The question is not whether to use them. The question is whether using
them to hold a pagefile will gain you anything.
If you don't need a practical difference then why did you ask the
question?
Anybody who really cares about fine tuning the pagefile is agonizing.
That's because what you propose to do is going to have very little
effect on the performance of your system and is usually not worth the
effort.
It would help if you were clear in what you were asking. Is your
question "what can I do to my system to make compiles faster" or is your
question "I have an extra drive, what is the best way to use it?" or is
your question "what is the optimal configuration for a pagefile given
384 meg of RAM and two drives, one of which is currently empty?" Or is
it something else?
B
bill
Talk about being a troll!
J
J.Clarke
Then take all the RAM out of your machine since you say you don't need
it.
Now, you say that you want "added use for your 2nd hard drive which has
gobs of free space". Then you go on about a pagefile. If you put a
pagefile on that drive for the purpose of increasing performance then
you will be unable to use any of the rest of that "gobs of free space"
because if you use it then you'll defeat the purpose of putting a
pagefile on a separate drive.
Because people are more likely to take their valuable time to answer
your question if they believe that it is motivated by something other
than idle curiosity.
The best way to do it is to go into the Windows Control Panel and just
do it.
I though you wanted to learn about your machine. You've been taught
something about your machine now--that something is that what you
propose doing is a waste of time. I'm sorry if you don't like the way
the universe works, but you need to learn to deal.
What "format"? If you're using NTFS then the "format" is NTFS, so
you've answered your own question.
If, as you claim above, you need NO RAM in your machine to do what you
want to do, (what do you do with it, use it for a paperweight?) then
there is no "format" or "configuration" or "arrangement" or
"organization" or "tweak" or any other method of implementation of a
pagefile that will be "faster in use". You see, that's the problem--you
say you want "faster in use" but then you say that you don't care about
performance and then you say that you aren't using up all the available
RAM so the pagefile won't be utilized to any significant extent anyway,
so WHAT IN THE H-E-DOUBLE-TOOTHPICS DO YOU WANT TO ACCOMPLISH?
J
J.Clarke
"Rod Speed" speedo'd:>
You're so cute when you talk dirty!
I can't believe this has happened. For the first time in my life I
agree completely with something that Rod Speed has said. Was that Satan
I saw down at the mall shopping for a fur coat? Is that a hog bristle
that just fell out of the sky?
T
Timothy Daniels
J.Clarke said:
I should have looked there first.
I don't need *any* RAM to achieve my objective,
which is added use for my 2nd hard drive which has
gobs of free space.
Ten days ago it was $85/256DIMM at Crucial, but
even $65 is more than I want to spend.
You object to what I'm doing based on your opinion
that it will not gain me anything. But so what? It's free!
And whether it's worth *my* while to do it is not the subject
of the post.
Why must I give a reason for what I want to do?
I asked a question on the best way to do something,
not *whether* that something should be done.
And why does that bother you?
It's what I've been asking from start to finish of this
thread - What format would be faster in use for a
pagefile partition placed on a 2nd hard drive, given
that the system drive uses NTFS?
*TimDaniels*
T
Timothy Daniels
"Rod Speed" speedo'd:>
You're so cute when you talk dirty!
*TimDaniels*
You're so cute when you talk dirty!
*TimDaniels*
R
Rod Speed
Some silly bone headed child claiming to be
Timothy Daniels <[email protected]>
desperately attempted to bullshit its
way out of its predicament in message
and fooled absolutely no one at all except one other fool.
Timothy Daniels <[email protected]>
desperately attempted to bullshit its
way out of its predicament in message
and fooled absolutely no one at all except one other fool.
R
Rod Speed
Timothy Daniels said:
You should indeed. Stupid expecting anyone to put such a
succinct summary of the basics into a newsgroup post for you.
Lazy expecting anyone to use google to find that for you too.
Just what are you 'studying' again ?
Its a stupid 'objective'
And if you do in fact have enough physical ram to ensure that
your system doesnt use the page file except at boot time, you'll
find it wont make any difference dinking around putting the pagefile
on that drive and that you would be MUCH better off just using it
for normal file storage or the destination for backup files etc.
Even someone as stupid as you should be able
to grasp that that is quite a bit less than $250
More fool you if your system is actually
using the pagefile much except at boot time.
Yes, but what is being discussed is whether there
is any point in using the FOR THE PAGEFILE.
He's right.
It aint an opinion, its trivially verifiable FACT you fool.
Why should anyone waste their time spelling out
the detail of what is a pointless exercise by you
when you are too lazy to even use google yourself ?
Corse it is if you expect anyone to bother
with your anal obsessive behaviour.
Because you want useful answers, fool.
More fool you.
Doesnt 'bother' anyone. We're just rubbing your stupid
little nose in the pointlessness of what you are trying to do.
Yes, you may well be just another stupid kid who is such
a complete bonehead that the only way he will ever be able
to get the pointlessness of what he is trying to do thru his
thick skull is to actually try it and see that it achieves nothing
useful. You could have done that DAYS ago and you have
been told repeatedly what is the most promising config to try.
Basically use the same file system as you are already
using on the boot drive to minimise the consumption of
physical ram by having two file systems using that ram,
and with 4K clusters for the pagefile if you are going to use
NTFS as it appears you are using already for the boot drive.
You've had that answered a number of times already.
And your nose has been repeatedly rubbed in
the pointlessness of what you are trying to do too.
Even you should be able to try it and see too.
F
Folkert Rienstra
J.Clarke said:[snip]
You're so cute when you talk dirty!
I can't believe this has happened. For the first time in my life I
agree completely with something that Rod Speed has said.
It's obvious that you have a screw loose.
Go back to the 'school of hard knocks' and have your head examined.
Perhaps you were standing in front of a mirror?
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Timothy Daniels
"J.Clarke" lost it:
<hee, hee>
You and Speedo Rod are the same guy, aren't you?
*TimDaniels*
<hee, hee>
You and Speedo Rod are the same guy, aren't you?
*TimDaniels*
T
Timothy Daniels
"Rod Speed" railed:
You're cute when you're exposed, Speedo.
*TimDaniels*
You're cute when you're exposed, Speedo.
*TimDaniels*
J
J.Clarke
As a matter of fact I killfiled Rod Speed at least a year ago.
R
Rod Speed
Some silly bone headed child claiming to be
Timothy Daniels <[email protected]>
desperately attempted to bullshit its
way out of its predicament in message
and fooled absolutely no one at all except one other fool.
Timothy Daniels <[email protected]>
desperately attempted to bullshit its
way out of its predicament in message
and fooled absolutely no one at all except one other fool.
R
Rod Speed
Some silly bone headed child claiming to be
Timmy Daniels <[email protected]>
desperately attempted to bullshit its
way out of its predicament in message
and fooled absolutely no one at all except one other fool.
Timmy Daniels <[email protected]>
desperately attempted to bullshit its
way out of its predicament in message
and fooled absolutely no one at all except one other fool.