For interest's sake - problem drives

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Odie Ferrous

I have received 8 drives for recovery purposes. In the last two days.

They have ALL been IBM Deskstars. Ranging in manufacturer date from
2001 to 2003.


Odie
 
Odie said:
I have received 8 drives for recovery purposes. In the last two days.

They have ALL been IBM Deskstars. Ranging in manufacturer date from
2001 to 2003.


Odie

No surprise there. But it's an interesting confirmation of what I've
thought for some time.
 
I've seen a few of the IBM deskstars.
Lately quite a few Maxtors 20 - 60 Gb.

None of the Fujitsu's in quite a while.
 
At one point years ago I noticed that all the drives I was replacing were
western digital drives. Then I realized, ALL the drives in the PCs I
supported were Western Digitals! No wonder it was all I replaced, there
were not any machines without WD drives.

Were all 8 drives from the same client? From the same brand of computer? I
am not defending the IBM drives at all, but I try not to jump to conclusions
when there might be good explanations once you dig a little further.

--Dan
 
Odie Ferrous said:
I have received 8 drives for recovery purposes. In the last two days.

At roughly 250 delivery days per year that is 2000 drives per year.
They have ALL been IBM Deskstars.

Congratulations, you are getting rich, finally.
You must be very grateful towards IBM.
 
dg said:
At one point years ago I noticed that all the drives I was replacing were
western digital drives. Then I realized, ALL the drives in the PCs I
supported were Western Digitals! No wonder it was all I replaced, there
were not any machines without WD drives.

Were all 8 drives from the same client? From the same brand of computer?
I am not defending the IBM drives at all, but I try not to jump to conclusions
when there might be good explanations once you dig a little further.

IBM is not the real subject here, it is just a convenient vehicle to get his
signature out and copied many times.
 
I have received 8 drives for recovery purposes. In the last two
days.

They have ALL been IBM Deskstars. Ranging in manufacturer date
from 2001 to 2003.
Odie,

I understood it was widely known that the Deskstar 75GXP range had
particular reliability problems, see here for example:

http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.html?i=71

Subsequent Deskstar ranges did not suffer the same problems. Ibm
latterly stopped making them and sold out to Hitachi who now mfr and
sell 'em.
 
Odie said:
I have received 8 drives for recovery purposes. In the last two days.
They have ALL been IBM Deskstars. Ranging in manufacturer date from
2001 to 2003.

This tells us nothing - what model/capacity are they? 75GXP's ?
 
Folkert said:
IBM is not the real subject here, it is just a convenient vehicle to get his
signature out and copied many times.

Now, do you honestly think I work like that? If that's the case, why do
I no longer advertise in the (permitted) relevant newsgroups?

You have a warped mind, Rienstra - don't assume we all received your
share of dodgy brain cells.



....and in answer to your following post (once is never enough, is it?)

"... roughly 250 delivery days per year that is 2000 drives per year."

....I am actually holding back at the moment because I am waiting to go
in for what I hope is my last all-or-nothing major bout of surgery. IF
I survive that, I would indeed be grateful if I could manage 2000 drives
a year. Unfortunately, without employing others, which I simply won't
do because of client security implications, there is no way 2000 drives
a year is going to be possible - even when I move from the UK to the
sunny climes of the mediterranean.

Perhaps you should consider moving somewhere warmer - your cynicism
never ceases.



Odie
Not in it for the money.
Well, not at the moment, anyway.
 
dg said:
At one point years ago I noticed that all the drives I was replacing were
western digital drives. Then I realized, ALL the drives in the PCs I
supported were Western Digitals! No wonder it was all I replaced, there
were not any machines without WD drives.

Were all 8 drives from the same client? From the same brand of computer? I
am not defending the IBM drives at all, but I try not to jump to conclusions
when there might be good explanations once you dig a little further.


No, not all from the same clients - a broad spread from mainland UK and
continental Europe.

Obviously a huge coincidence, but it means something.

In answer to another response, I have also been seeing a lot of Maxtor
drives - the heavy-duty ones - mainly Diamondmax Plus 8 and Fireball 3.
I normally get a lot of these when I buy up drives for spares /
research. These and the Seagates used in X-Box manufacture.

Odie
 
Odie Ferrous said:
Now, do you honestly think I work like that?

Do I appear not to?
If that's the case, why do I no longer advertise in the
(permitted) relevant newsgroups?

That's a valid point.
Are there any (permitted) relevant newsgroups?
Isn't this one of them?
You have a warped mind, Rienstra - don't assume we all received your
share of dodgy brain cells.

And now you've just dismissed that valid point.
(To paraphrase: once is never enough, is it?)
...and in answer to your following post (once is never enough, is it?)

Well, you could just go away and then that would be solved.
"... roughly 250 delivery days per year that is 2000 drives per year."

...I am actually holding back at the moment because I am waiting to go
in for what I hope is my last all-or-nothing major bout of surgery.

By the taxman?
IF I survive that, I would indeed be grateful if I could manage 2000 drives
a year. Unfortunately, without employing others, which I simply won't
do because of client security implications, there is no way 2000 drives
a year is going to be possible - even when I move from the UK to the
sunny climes of the mediterranean.

So, if you are swamped already, why are you here looking for business?
Perhaps you should consider moving somewhere warmer - your cynicism
never ceases.

It's probably as persistant as your opportunism.
 
Odie said:
Now, do you honestly think I work like that? If that's the case, why do
I no longer advertise in the (permitted) relevant newsgroups?

You have a warped mind, Rienstra - don't assume we all received your
share of dodgy brain cells.

...and in answer to your following post (once is never enough, is it?)

"... roughly 250 delivery days per year that is 2000 drives per year."

...I am actually holding back at the moment because I am waiting to go
in for what I hope is my last all-or-nothing major bout of surgery. IF
I survive that, I would indeed be grateful if I could manage 2000 drives
a year. Unfortunately, without employing others, which I simply won't
do because of client security implications, there is no way 2000 drives
a year is going to be possible - even when I move from the UK to the
sunny climes of the mediterranean.

Perhaps you should consider moving somewhere warmer - your cynicism
never ceases.

Odie
Not in it for the money.
Well, not at the moment, anyway.


Hello, Odie:

Good luck, with the surgery!


Cordially,
John Turco <[email protected]>
 
Odie said:
No, not all from the same clients - a broad spread from mainland UK and
continental Europe.

Obviously a huge coincidence, but it means something.

In answer to another response, I have also been seeing a lot of Maxtor
drives - the heavy-duty ones - mainly Diamondmax Plus 8 and Fireball 3.
I normally get a lot of these when I buy up drives for spares /
research. These and the Seagates used in X-Box manufacture.

Odie


Hello, Odie:

Do you receive many Samsung drives, for data recovery?


Cordially,
John Turco <[email protected]>
 
John said:
Hello, Odie:

Do you receive many Samsung drives, for data recovery?

Cordially,
John Turco <[email protected]>



Hi John,


I have yet to receive one older than a couple of years. I do receive
the recent models - they are absolute pigs to fix. Samsung themselves
are distinctly unhelpful with technical information to boot. Don't buy.


Duncan
 
Frank le Spikkin said:
Odie,

I understood it was widely known that the Deskstar 75GXP range had
particular reliability problems, see here for example:

http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.html?i=71

The wackos get even more desperate.
If he bothers to supply the URL then note the straws that they're
grasping at.

The only possible logical conclusion is that the vast majority of
reports of multiple failures are bogus. One arrives at that
conclusion by simple deduction and statistics.

Any attempt to slime the best EIDE HD around or its predecessor is a
disservice to the entire HD user community. There are few credible
reports of 75GXP failures and many blatantly bogus ones.

There are no reliability issues with any recent IBM drive.

For the vast majority the 75GXP is fast and reliable.

Nothing is wrong as generally they work just fine. There are very
small numbers of reliable reports of 75GXP problems.

Did your mamma's dog also have a bad batch of 75GXPs?

There is no well known and reputable website nor news source that
confirms any kind of problem with IBM Deskstar HDs. It's just a few
web wackos making bogus claims.

Nope there's nothin there but just wacko slime.

Most everyone reports no problems at all and they are fast.

Your anti-IBM slime campaign has now been widely discredited.

That's flat false. Only the anit-IBM slimers so claim.

Nope, there is a small cult of anti-IBM slimers running amok.

The 75GXP is a great drive and very reliable.

There are generally no problems with the Deskstar 75GXP. There are a
few attempting a smear campaign.

Said by a card carrying member of the anti-IBM slime campaign.

Any given drive may fail in the field. In general the Deskstar 75GXP
works very well and is quiet and reliable.

The 75GXP and now 60GXP are reliable and fast drives and there is NO
reputable information suggesting otherwise.

Simply a slime attempt.

Compared to the number shipped there are in fact very FEW reports of
failures.

There has been an ongoing slime attempt for several months now
emanating from a storage site's forum. First the claims were that the
Deskstar 75GXP had high failure rates and now that they couldn't make
that bogus claim stick they've come up with this latest batch of slime
against the 75GXP. It all comes from that weak storage site. It's
all flat false.

The burden of proof is on you and the other slimers.

The anti-IBM slime wackos are getting shrill and desperate as it
steadily becomes apparent that Deskstar 75GXPs don't NOT tend to fail
and the wackos are being publicly eviscerated and humiliated.
Fortunately they all line up on a daily basis for all to see who and
what they are.

There no smoke but just wacko gibber.

That's just an anti-IBM slime campaign. The 75GXP including the 45GB
is a good drive and many many use it with great success.

Wacko. Anyone involved in a HD popularity poll is simply wacko.

There are no significant problems with IBM HDs as has been clearly
demonstrated.

Another post by the same wacko slimers.

IBM HDs are very reliable and there are few problems.

Clueless. What if the 44% is the same six guys making multiple posts
which is obviously the case with the slimer who originated from that
website in the beginning..

All bogus claims. The 75GXP works fine.

The wackos seem to flock together.

Just a few wackos making wild and unsubstantiated claims.

A typical made up report by the same wackos with no USENET history..

And like other members of the slime cult, you'd like to make the
number of IBM failures look much larger than it is. Get a life.

IBM HDs work just fine. There is no well known & reputable website nor
news source that sugests otherwise. There is just a few wacko slimers
trying to suggest that there are major problems with IBM HDs. Such is
utterly bogus. They hate the fact that I've exposed their slime and
so they stalk me at every opportunity.

They simply just aren't here if we subtract your and a few other
wackos' repetitive posts. Better luck next time.

It'll be fine and have few problems just like the 75GXP.

Pure nonsense. The slimers claim that these things are failing by the
tuckload. It is clearly obvious to everyone that they are NOT failing
in any significant quantities. The slime campaign is now debunked and
the wackos went off to Jonestown and did a cult poll in frustration.

All possible and could even explain a few multidrive failure reports.
BUT othing supports an kind of mass failures that the wackos are
claiming. Basically the 75GXP and 60GXP are fast and reliable HDs and
there isn't the slightest evidence to suggest otherwise.

However in this case there is wide spread verification that the 75GXP
is very reliable and works just fine.

HUH? There has been NO high failure rate in the last few months.
There have been a number of bogus reports of failures.

Again I see that the group of lunatic ranters has been coalesced in
one place.

Now we are getting the desperate ninnies distilled into one subthread.

Ignore this recidivist wacko stalker.

Clueless gibber.

Clueless nonsense. IBM HDs work just fine and are very reliable.

Make sure that you don't firget to post this twice a week for the next
month or two you slimer.

The clueless ninnies lineup up for us. Not one can provide any
reference to any well known reputable website nor news source
suggesting any problem with IBM HDs. The wackos have been well
identified now.

Utter nonsense. The 75GXP is very relaible and a few wackos have a
posting history of such anti-IBM slime like you.
Subsequent Deskstar ranges did not suffer the same problems. Ibm
latterly stopped making them and sold out to Hitachi who now mfr and
sell 'em.

Clueless....obviously you are a slimer.
 
The wackos get even more desperate.
If he bothers to supply the URL then note the straws that
they're grasping at.

The only possible logical conclusion is that the vast majority
of reports of multiple failures are bogus. One arrives at that
conclusion by simple deduction and statistics.

Any attempt to slime the best EIDE HD around or its predecessor
is a disservice to the entire HD user community. There are few
credible reports of 75GXP failures and many blatantly bogus
ones.

There are no reliability issues with any recent IBM drive.

For the vast majority the 75GXP is fast and reliable.

Nothing is wrong as generally they work just fine. There are
very small numbers of reliable reports of 75GXP problems.

Did your mamma's dog also have a bad batch of 75GXPs?

There is no well known and reputable website nor news source
that confirms any kind of problem with IBM Deskstar HDs. It's
just a few web wackos making bogus claims.

Nope there's nothin there but just wacko slime.

Most everyone reports no problems at all and they are fast.

Your anti-IBM slime campaign has now been widely discredited.

That's flat false. Only the anit-IBM slimers so claim.

Nope, there is a small cult of anti-IBM slimers running amok.

The 75GXP is a great drive and very reliable.

There are generally no problems with the Deskstar 75GXP. There
are a few attempting a smear campaign.

Said by a card carrying member of the anti-IBM slime campaign.

Any given drive may fail in the field. In general the Deskstar
75GXP works very well and is quiet and reliable.

The 75GXP and now 60GXP are reliable and fast drives and there
is NO reputable information suggesting otherwise.

Simply a slime attempt.

Compared to the number shipped there are in fact very FEW
reports of failures.

There has been an ongoing slime attempt for several months now
emanating from a storage site's forum. First the claims were
that the Deskstar 75GXP had high failure rates and now that they
couldn't make that bogus claim stick they've come up with this
latest batch of slime against the 75GXP. It all comes from that
weak storage site. It's all flat false.

The burden of proof is on you and the other slimers.

The anti-IBM slime wackos are getting shrill and desperate as it
steadily becomes apparent that Deskstar 75GXPs don't NOT tend to
fail and the wackos are being publicly eviscerated and
humiliated. Fortunately they all line up on a daily basis for
all to see who and what they are.

There no smoke but just wacko gibber.

That's just an anti-IBM slime campaign. The 75GXP including the
45GB is a good drive and many many use it with great success.

Wacko. Anyone involved in a HD popularity poll is simply wacko.

There are no significant problems with IBM HDs as has been
clearly demonstrated.

Another post by the same wacko slimers.

IBM HDs are very reliable and there are few problems.

Clueless. What if the 44% is the same six guys making multiple
posts which is obviously the case with the slimer who originated
from that website in the beginning..

All bogus claims. The 75GXP works fine.

The wackos seem to flock together.

Just a few wackos making wild and unsubstantiated claims.

A typical made up report by the same wackos with no USENET
history..

And like other members of the slime cult, you'd like to make
the number of IBM failures look much larger than it is. Get a
life.

IBM HDs work just fine. There is no well known & reputable
website nor news source that sugests otherwise. There is just a
few wacko slimers trying to suggest that there are major
problems with IBM HDs. Such is utterly bogus. They hate the
fact that I've exposed their slime and so they stalk me at every
opportunity.

They simply just aren't here if we subtract your and a few other
wackos' repetitive posts. Better luck next time.

It'll be fine and have few problems just like the 75GXP.

Pure nonsense. The slimers claim that these things are failing
by the tuckload. It is clearly obvious to everyone that they
are NOT failing in any significant quantities. The slime
campaign is now debunked and the wackos went off to Jonestown
and did a cult poll in frustration.

All possible and could even explain a few multidrive failure
reports. BUT othing supports an kind of mass failures that the
wackos are claiming. Basically the 75GXP and 60GXP are fast and
reliable HDs and there isn't the slightest evidence to suggest
otherwise.

However in this case there is wide spread verification that the
75GXP is very reliable and works just fine.

HUH? There has been NO high failure rate in the last few
months. There have been a number of bogus reports of failures.

Again I see that the group of lunatic ranters has been coalesced
in one place.

Now we are getting the desperate ninnies distilled into one
subthread.

Ignore this recidivist wacko stalker.

Clueless gibber.

Clueless nonsense. IBM HDs work just fine and are very
reliable.

Make sure that you don't firget to post this twice a week for
the next month or two you slimer.

The clueless ninnies lineup up for us. Not one can provide any
reference to any well known reputable website nor news source
suggesting any problem with IBM HDs. The wackos have been well
identified now.

Utter nonsense. The 75GXP is very relaible and a few wackos
have a posting history of such anti-IBM slime like you.


Clueless....obviously you are a slimer.

Pathetic trolling, sunshine <plonk!>
 
Folkert said:
Maybe they read the newsgroups and don't like certain posts by Odie 'Duncan' Ferrous.


Oops.

I detect a very strong element of envy in your posts Rienstra - so much
so that it is eating you up.

Deal with it.


Odie
 
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