final version - when?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Andre Da Costa [Extended64]
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LOL quite a wide range there Andre. But yeh, it's really tempremental. The
best thing to take on board is "2nd half of 2006"... anything from July
onwards ;o)

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Nah, too tired. Going to bed... goodnight all :o)

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When it is ready! Your crystal ball is as good as ours.

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Marina Limeira wrote:
| When the Vista will be start final version ?
|
| Marina

The "final" version will probably be some Service Pack version of Windows
Vista. Windows XP should be getting at least an SP3 version in 2007 and
perhaps even an SP4 version sometime later.

Windows Vista will either get a number of service packs a la XP or NT4 ..
or Microsoft will not give Vista a long run preferring a new version of
Windows within a couple years or so a la Windows 98 which only got one real
update (SP1/S.E) and lasted only a couple years before Millennium and 2000
took over. AFAIK, Microsoft can change course on these things so who's to
say?
 
SE was not an update for Windows 98.
Windows 98 SE was a new version of Windows 98
If you wanted Windows 98 SE, then you had to buy it unlike Service Packs
which are free.
There is no Service Pack for Windows 98 IIRC.

As for when the final version of Vista will be released, see the other posts
in this thread.
 
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
| SE was not an update for Windows 98.
| Windows 98 SE was a new version of Windows 98
| If you wanted Windows 98 SE, then you had to buy it unlike Service Packs
| which are free.
| There is no Service Pack for Windows 98 IIRC.
|
| As for when the final version of Vista will be released, see the other
| posts in this thread.
|
|
| || The "final" version will probably be some Service Pack version of Windows
|| Vista. Windows XP should be getting at least an SP3 version in 2007 and
|| perhaps even an SP4 version sometime later.
||
|| Windows Vista will either get a number of service packs a la XP or NT4 ..
|| or Microsoft will not give Vista a long run preferring a new version of
|| Windows within a couple years or so a la Windows 98 which only got one
|| real
|| update (SP1/S.E) and lasted only a couple years before Millennium and
|| 2000 took over. AFAIK, Microsoft can change course on these things so
|| who's to say?

I remember Win98 SP1 and SE coming out at about the same time. Windows 98
orig. users could get a copy of SE for a much reduced amount - 20 or 40
dollars. The only difference between SP1 and SE was that SE had a couple
extra utilities e.g. ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) and, of course IE5,
but that could be downloaded for free and installed on Windows 98 orig.
anyway. Unless one wanted ICS, there was no real reason to switch to SE
because all the updates were available no charge from Microsoft's websites.

I just meant that the actual "final version" of Vista could be the one they
will release to manufacturing in the next few months .. or some service
packed version released a few years from now. Microsoft has been known to
change plans. When WinFS etc. is ready they might service pack it in as
planned .. or .. change plans and come out with a new version of Windows.
 
Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
| There was not SP1 for Windows 98, but there was a service update that
| basically gave Windows 98 First Edition users all the technologies that
| were in Windows 98 SE for about $20 on CD or free download.
| --
|
| || Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
||| SE was not an update for Windows 98.
||| Windows 98 SE was a new version of Windows 98
||| If you wanted Windows 98 SE, then you had to buy it unlike Service Packs
||| which are free.
||| There is no Service Pack for Windows 98 IIRC.
|||
||| As for when the final version of Vista will be released, see the other
||| posts in this thread.
|||
|||
||| |||| The "final" version will probably be some Service Pack version of
|||| Windows Vista. Windows XP should be getting at least an SP3 version in
|||| 2007 and perhaps even an SP4 version sometime later.
||||
|||| Windows Vista will either get a number of service packs a la XP or NT4
|||| .. or Microsoft will not give Vista a long run preferring a new
|||| version of Windows within a couple years or so a la Windows 98 which
|||| only got one real
|||| update (SP1/S.E) and lasted only a couple years before Millennium and
|||| 2000 took over. AFAIK, Microsoft can change course on these things so
|||| who's to say?
||
|| I remember Win98 SP1 and SE coming out at about the same time. Windows 98
|| orig. users could get a copy of SE for a much reduced amount - 20 or 40
|| dollars. The only difference between SP1 and SE was that SE had a couple
|| extra utilities e.g. ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) and, of course
|| IE5, but that could be downloaded for free and installed on Windows 98
|| orig. anyway. Unless one wanted ICS, there was no real reason to switch
|| to SE because all the updates were available no charge from Microsoft's
|| websites.
||
|| I just meant that the actual "final version" of Vista could be the one
|| they
|| will release to manufacturing in the next few months .. or some service
|| packed version released a few years from now. Microsoft has been known to
|| change plans. When WinFS etc. is ready they might service pack it in as
|| planned .. or .. change plans and come out with a new version of Windows.

Don't you remember? You could download the "Windows 98 Service Pack 1"
online or order the "Windows 98 Service Pack 1" disc at no charge [which I
did] .. or order the SE 'upgrade' at low cost - like you said around $20 -
if you were a current user of Windows 98.

SE had a few components that the service pack + downloadable updates didn't
include such as ICS and firewire .. but not much more. So unless one had a
specific need for those utilities there was not *too* much point in paying
for SE when the service pack and downloads were at no charge. Not that SE
was going to cost the Win98 user much anyway.

http://www.winplanet.com/file/11650.htm
 
I think you're right Grok - although I haven't found anything directly from
Microsoft, Paul Thurrott wrote about the differences between 98 SE and 98
SP1.

http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/ArticleID/18735/18735.html

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Grok said:
Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
| There was not SP1 for Windows 98, but there was a service update that
| basically gave Windows 98 First Edition users all the technologies that
| were in Windows 98 SE for about $20 on CD or free download.
| --
|
| || Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
||| SE was not an update for Windows 98.
||| Windows 98 SE was a new version of Windows 98
||| If you wanted Windows 98 SE, then you had to buy it unlike Service
Packs
||| which are free.
||| There is no Service Pack for Windows 98 IIRC.
|||
||| As for when the final version of Vista will be released, see the other
||| posts in this thread.
|||
|||
||| |||| The "final" version will probably be some Service Pack version of
|||| Windows Vista. Windows XP should be getting at least an SP3 version
in
|||| 2007 and perhaps even an SP4 version sometime later.
||||
|||| Windows Vista will either get a number of service packs a la XP or
NT4
|||| .. or Microsoft will not give Vista a long run preferring a new
|||| version of Windows within a couple years or so a la Windows 98 which
|||| only got one real
|||| update (SP1/S.E) and lasted only a couple years before Millennium and
|||| 2000 took over. AFAIK, Microsoft can change course on these things so
|||| who's to say?
||
|| I remember Win98 SP1 and SE coming out at about the same time. Windows
98
|| orig. users could get a copy of SE for a much reduced amount - 20 or 40
|| dollars. The only difference between SP1 and SE was that SE had a
couple
|| extra utilities e.g. ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) and, of course
|| IE5, but that could be downloaded for free and installed on Windows 98
|| orig. anyway. Unless one wanted ICS, there was no real reason to switch
|| to SE because all the updates were available no charge from Microsoft's
|| websites.
||
|| I just meant that the actual "final version" of Vista could be the one
|| they
|| will release to manufacturing in the next few months .. or some service
|| packed version released a few years from now. Microsoft has been known
to
|| change plans. When WinFS etc. is ready they might service pack it in as
|| planned .. or .. change plans and come out with a new version of
Windows.

Don't you remember? You could download the "Windows 98 Service Pack 1"
online or order the "Windows 98 Service Pack 1" disc at no charge [which I
did] .. or order the SE 'upgrade' at low cost - like you said around $20 -
if you were a current user of Windows 98.

SE had a few components that the service pack + downloadable updates
didn't
include such as ICS and firewire .. but not much more. So unless one had a
specific need for those utilities there was not *too* much point in paying
for SE when the service pack and downloads were at no charge. Not that SE
was going to cost the Win98 user much anyway.

http://www.winplanet.com/file/11650.htm
Click to expand...
 
Actually I've just found this, loose but still applies:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/downloads/

Get the latest updates to Windows 98
If you are running Windows 98 Second Edition you do not need Customer
Service Pack -- all of the updates in the Customer Service Pack are included
on your system. Windows 98 Customer Service Pack updates Windows 98 to keep
your system in top shape. Download the Service Pack from Windows Update or
order by calling 800-360-7561 (U.S. only).

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Grok said:
Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
| There was not SP1 for Windows 98, but there was a service update that
| basically gave Windows 98 First Edition users all the technologies that
| were in Windows 98 SE for about $20 on CD or free download.
| --
|
| || Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
||| SE was not an update for Windows 98.
||| Windows 98 SE was a new version of Windows 98
||| If you wanted Windows 98 SE, then you had to buy it unlike Service
Packs
||| which are free.
||| There is no Service Pack for Windows 98 IIRC.
|||
||| As for when the final version of Vista will be released, see the other
||| posts in this thread.
|||
|||
||| |||| The "final" version will probably be some Service Pack version of
|||| Windows Vista. Windows XP should be getting at least an SP3 version
in
|||| 2007 and perhaps even an SP4 version sometime later.
||||
|||| Windows Vista will either get a number of service packs a la XP or
NT4
|||| .. or Microsoft will not give Vista a long run preferring a new
|||| version of Windows within a couple years or so a la Windows 98 which
|||| only got one real
|||| update (SP1/S.E) and lasted only a couple years before Millennium and
|||| 2000 took over. AFAIK, Microsoft can change course on these things so
|||| who's to say?
||
|| I remember Win98 SP1 and SE coming out at about the same time. Windows
98
|| orig. users could get a copy of SE for a much reduced amount - 20 or 40
|| dollars. The only difference between SP1 and SE was that SE had a
couple
|| extra utilities e.g. ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) and, of course
|| IE5, but that could be downloaded for free and installed on Windows 98
|| orig. anyway. Unless one wanted ICS, there was no real reason to switch
|| to SE because all the updates were available no charge from Microsoft's
|| websites.
||
|| I just meant that the actual "final version" of Vista could be the one
|| they
|| will release to manufacturing in the next few months .. or some service
|| packed version released a few years from now. Microsoft has been known
to
|| change plans. When WinFS etc. is ready they might service pack it in as
|| planned .. or .. change plans and come out with a new version of
Windows.

Don't you remember? You could download the "Windows 98 Service Pack 1"
online or order the "Windows 98 Service Pack 1" disc at no charge [which I
did] .. or order the SE 'upgrade' at low cost - like you said around $20 -
if you were a current user of Windows 98.

SE had a few components that the service pack + downloadable updates
didn't
include such as ICS and firewire .. but not much more. So unless one had a
specific need for those utilities there was not *too* much point in paying
for SE when the service pack and downloads were at no charge. Not that SE
was going to cost the Win98 user much anyway.

http://www.winplanet.com/file/11650.htm
Click to expand...
 
ICS was one of the differences maintained between Windows 98 and Windows 98
SE since ICS was not included.
In spite of what the articles say, there was no Service Pack 1 for Windows
98.
I just double checked the Windows Update Catalog.
I also performed a Clean Installation of Windows 98.
I then installed all updates from Windows Update.
Rebooted and installed more updates until there were no more updates
available.
SP-1 was never listed.
Service Pack is not listed in "winver" or Properties.
Finally I looked in Add/Remove Programs, Service Pack was not listed in any
of the tabs or categories.
There were Service Packs for Outlook Express and Internet Explorer, but
those are not the same as a Service Pack for Windows.

The CD that was sold for about $5 was not actually a Service Pack.
It was a compilation of most of the updates to come out between Windows 98
and Windows 98 SE.
The CD did not include ICS the major difference between Windows 98 and
Windows 98 SE.
Everything on the CD was freely downloadable.

The other CD sold for about $20 - $30 actually upgraded Windows 98 to
Windows 98 SE, it was only available for Windows 98 systems and would not
upgrade Windows 95 or other early OSs.
This was an upgrade and not a Service Pack.

If there was a Service Pack 1 for Windows 98, it would still be available as
a Critical Update along with the other Critical Updates.
 
Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
| ICS was one of the differences maintained between Windows 98 and Windows
| 98 SE since ICS was not included.
| In spite of what the articles say, there was no Service Pack 1 for Windows
| 98.
| I just double checked the Windows Update Catalog.
| I also performed a Clean Installation of Windows 98.
| I then installed all updates from Windows Update.
| Rebooted and installed more updates until there were no more updates
| available.
| SP-1 was never listed.
| Service Pack is not listed in "winver" or Properties.
| Finally I looked in Add/Remove Programs, Service Pack was not listed in
| any of the tabs or categories.
| There were Service Packs for Outlook Express and Internet Explorer, but
| those are not the same as a Service Pack for Windows.
|
| The CD that was sold for about $5 was not actually a Service Pack.
| It was a compilation of most of the updates to come out between Windows 98
| and Windows 98 SE.
| The CD did not include ICS the major difference between Windows 98 and
| Windows 98 SE.
| Everything on the CD was freely downloadable.
|
| The other CD sold for about $20 - $30 actually upgraded Windows 98 to
| Windows 98 SE, it was only available for Windows 98 systems and would not
| upgrade Windows 95 or other early OSs.
| This was an upgrade and not a Service Pack.
|
| If there was a Service Pack 1 for Windows 98, it would still be available
| as a Critical Update along with the other Critical Updates.
|
|
| || Don't you remember? You could download the "Windows 98 Service Pack 1"
|| online or order the "Windows 98 Service Pack 1" disc at no charge [which
|| I did] .. or order the SE 'upgrade' at low cost - like you said around
|| $20 - if you were a current user of Windows 98.
||
|| SE had a few components that the service pack + downloadable updates
|| didn't
|| include such as ICS and firewire .. but not much more. So unless one had
|| a specific need for those utilities there was not *too* much point in
|| paying for SE when the service pack and downloads were at no charge. Not
|| that SE was going to cost the Win98 user much anyway.
||
|| http://www.winplanet.com/file/11650.htm
||
|| ---
|| Grok

I hold the "Windows 98 Service Pack 1" CD-ROM in my hot little hands. I
ordered it from Microsoft at the time when most people went for 20 buck 98
S.E. upgrade instead. Gosh, I was a cheap bas****. Anyway:

Let me check here what it contains though ..

... hold on while I put in in the DVD-ROM drive:

Oh, there's the README.TXT

III. Contents of the Windows 98 Service Pack 1 CD
-------------------------------------------------

Windows 98 System Update 1 : Security fixes and hardware specific updates
IE4.01 SP2: Internet related updates and security fixes
Windows 98 Year 2000 Update: Update for Outlook Express version
4.72.3612.1713
Windows 98 Year 2000 Update: The 1st Y2K update for Windows 98 users
Windows 98 Year 2000 Update 2: The 2nd installment in the Y2K update
Click to expand...

A setup.exe Wizard guided the user through the whole process of installing
the System Update, the MSIE upgrade and the Y2K fixes that comprised the
Windows 98 Service Pack 1.
 
Amazing research.
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Jupiter Jones said:
ICS was one of the differences maintained between Windows 98 and Windows
98 SE since ICS was not included.
In spite of what the articles say, there was no Service Pack 1 for Windows
98.
I just double checked the Windows Update Catalog.
I also performed a Clean Installation of Windows 98.
I then installed all updates from Windows Update.
Rebooted and installed more updates until there were no more updates
available.
SP-1 was never listed.
Service Pack is not listed in "winver" or Properties.
Finally I looked in Add/Remove Programs, Service Pack was not listed in
any of the tabs or categories.
There were Service Packs for Outlook Express and Internet Explorer, but
those are not the same as a Service Pack for Windows.

The CD that was sold for about $5 was not actually a Service Pack.
It was a compilation of most of the updates to come out between Windows 98
and Windows 98 SE.
The CD did not include ICS the major difference between Windows 98 and
Windows 98 SE.
Everything on the CD was freely downloadable.

The other CD sold for about $20 - $30 actually upgraded Windows 98 to
Windows 98 SE, it was only available for Windows 98 systems and would not
upgrade Windows 95 or other early OSs.
This was an upgrade and not a Service Pack.

If there was a Service Pack 1 for Windows 98, it would still be available
as a Critical Update along with the other Critical Updates.

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Grok said:
Don't you remember? You could download the "Windows 98 Service Pack 1"
online or order the "Windows 98 Service Pack 1" disc at no charge [which
I
did] .. or order the SE 'upgrade' at low cost - like you said around
$20 -
if you were a current user of Windows 98.

SE had a few components that the service pack + downloadable updates
didn't
include such as ICS and firewire .. but not much more. So unless one had
a
specific need for those utilities there was not *too* much point in
paying
for SE when the service pack and downloads were at no charge. Not that SE
was going to cost the Win98 user much anyway.

http://www.winplanet.com/file/11650.htm
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
For Windows 98 SE there was never a Service Pack

For Windows 98 there was a Service Release 1 that came out after Win 98 SE released NOT a Service Pack..

Service Release and Service Pack and Win 98 and Win98 SE are different

I have the Service RELEASE 1 as it was called for Win 98 not for Win 98 SE right here in front of me.

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Jupiter Jones said:
ICS was one of the differences maintained between Windows 98 and Windows 98
SE since ICS was not included.
In spite of what the articles say, there was no Service Pack 1 for Windows
98.
I just double checked the Windows Update Catalog.
I also performed a Clean Installation of Windows 98.
I then installed all updates from Windows Update.
Rebooted and installed more updates until there were no more updates
available.
SP-1 was never listed.
Service Pack is not listed in "winver" or Properties.
Finally I looked in Add/Remove Programs, Service Pack was not listed in any
of the tabs or categories.
There were Service Packs for Outlook Express and Internet Explorer, but
those are not the same as a Service Pack for Windows.

The CD that was sold for about $5 was not actually a Service Pack.
It was a compilation of most of the updates to come out between Windows 98
and Windows 98 SE.
The CD did not include ICS the major difference between Windows 98 and
Windows 98 SE.
Everything on the CD was freely downloadable.

The other CD sold for about $20 - $30 actually upgraded Windows 98 to
Windows 98 SE, it was only available for Windows 98 systems and would not
upgrade Windows 95 or other early OSs.
This was an upgrade and not a Service Pack.

If there was a Service Pack 1 for Windows 98, it would still be available as
a Critical Update along with the other Critical Updates.

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http://www.dts-l.org


Grok said:
Don't you remember? You could download the "Windows 98 Service Pack 1"
online or order the "Windows 98 Service Pack 1" disc at no charge [which I
did] .. or order the SE 'upgrade' at low cost - like you said around $20 -
if you were a current user of Windows 98.

SE had a few components that the service pack + downloadable updates
didn't
include such as ICS and firewire .. but not much more. So unless one had a
specific need for those utilities there was not *too* much point in paying
for SE when the service pack and downloads were at no charge. Not that SE
was going to cost the Win98 user much anyway.

http://www.winplanet.com/file/11650.htm
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
Peter Foldes wrote:
| For Windows 98 SE there was never a Service Pack
|
| For Windows 98 there was a Service Release 1 that came out after Win 98
| SE released NOT a Service Pack..
|
| Service Release and Service Pack and Win 98 and Win98 SE are different
|
| I have the Service RELEASE 1 as it was called for Win 98 not for Win 98
| SE right here in front of me.
|

One could, however, order the "Windows 98 Service Pack 1" CD-ROM from
Microsoft for to apply to Windows 98.
 
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