Fading photos - Why?

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zakezuke said:
There was a responce below from Measekite that said that spraying
prints ruins the natural look of a photo. While he's our neighborhood
troll... and the fact that he has claimed in the past to use Krylon's
UV fixative, the point is valid enough.

Again, don't take our word for it... but do try visiting your friendly
neighborhood art/craft store. Look in the fine art section for the
stuff. Krylon has two products, one UV clear fixative with brushes and
pencils on the front, and another denoted with a diffrent graphic.
Each of these spray differently. There are also matte sprays by Kryon
and others which I find to be ideal. Most ideal in terms of looks are
the Minwax products found in your friendly neighborhood home
improvement shop. I'm unsure whether they are good for prints, but
they employ a more elongated spray head and I find it easer using that
to make smooth strokes. Photo shops are also a good place to shop for
such things, as well as K-mart, Walmart, and Target... though I've not
had good luck with target.
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There is a difference in Krylon sprays:

Krylon® UV-Resistant Clear Coatings

http://www.krylon.com/main/product_...elid=8&productid=1818&content=product_details

Krylon® Preserve It!® Digital Photo & Paper Protectant

http://www.krylon.com/main/product_...elid=8&productid=1732&content=product_details

One will slightly change the color cast, the other won't.

I seriously doubt our resident moron has used either. He probably read
about someone using the one that fades photos.
Frank
 
frank said:
There is a difference in Krylon sprays:

Krylon® UV-Resistant Clear Coatings

http://www.krylon.com/main/product_...elid=8&productid=1818&content=product_details

Krylon® Preserve It!® Digital Photo & Paper Protectant

http://www.krylon.com/main/product_...elid=8&productid=1732&content=product_details

One will slightly change the color cast, the other won't.
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Thanks for the more exact info

*Krylon #1305 UV-Resistant Clear
Krylon #1303 Crystal Clear
Krylon #1311 Matte Finish
Krylon No. 1306 Workable Matte Fixative

At least 4 choices in Krylon, not to speak of Preserve It Digital photo
paper protectent.
 
Yes, UV sprays work, but make sure to test them to make sure they don't
alter the colors or make them run.

Lamination is a double edged sword on several accounts. Laminates are
made up of two main components, a plastic sheeting, and an adhesive.

The adhesive may be either a thermal glue (for hot lamination) or a
contact glue, for cold laminates. These glues can be of many different
formulations, and have very differing pH's, may or may not off gas,
harden, yellow, etc. The plastics themselves can be made from a number
of types (vinyl, polystyrene, polyethylene, nylon, etc.) Some are known
to react and oxidize causing fading, or ar porous, while others may
protect against fading.

Some inks outgas or dry very slowly, and should not be laminated for
weeks or months prior to fully drying.

Personally, I neither like laminating for fine art pieces, nor do I
really trust it, and I don't think I would mix a spray with laminating,
probably get some conflicts with the solvents involved.

For longevity, I would suspect some laminates do indeed improve fade
resistance, but I would try to find a proven product.

Art
 
And your obsessive concern with where people place their replies in
messages on a newsgroup shows a mixture of rigidity, infantilism, and,
speaking of "arseholes", anal retentiveness. It is silly, trite, and
ignores the fact that there are different ways to accomplish the same
thing, and that people are capable of problem solving using different
tact. It further ignores that some people actually have valid reasons
for preferring the method you don't like.

I also find it interesting that although some people prefer top posting,
one rarely, if ever, reads top posters complaining bitterly or making
disparaging comments about people who bottom posts.

Then again, they say adaptability is a sign of intelligence ;-)

Art
 
...your obsessive concern...
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One post does not an obsession make!
I also find it interesting that although some people prefer top
posting, one rarely, if ever, reads top posters complaining bitterly
or making disparaging comments about people who bottom posts.
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Apart from the fact that bottom posting with appropriate snipping (also known as inline posting) is the method long regarded as good netiquette, doesn't that tell you something about the relative merits of the two? One annoys lots of people; the other, virtually no one.

bottom! to top and right to left from English read to easier it find just People

Jon.
 
Jon said:
One post does not an obsession make!


Apart from the fact that bottom posting with appropriate snipping (also known as inline posting) is the method long regarded as good netiquette, doesn't that tell you something about the relative merits of the two? One annoys lots of people; the other, virtually no one.

bottom! to top and right to left from English read to easier it find just People
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Art may be thinking of me, as I've twitted him from time to time about
his insistence on doing it for Art's sake. He's the only one who
knowingly, consistently, and insistently top posts whom I'll keep
reading, and that's because he's knowledgeable, articulate and has
manners (except for that one foible.)

Indeed, if Art could show his own flexibility, and exercise that extra
reserve of intelligence, and hence bottom post after trimming, he'd be a
God here to more people.
 
Arthur said:
And your obsessive concern with where people place their replies in
messages on a newsgroup shows a mixture of rigidity, infantilism, and,
speaking of "arseholes", anal retentiveness. It is silly, trite, and
ignores the fact that there are different ways to accomplish the same
thing, and that people are capable of problem solving using different
tact. It further ignores that some people actually have valid reasons
for preferring the method you don't like.
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Oh Yeah and look at the names he called you.
I also find it interesting that although some people prefer top
posting, one rarely, if ever, reads top posters complaining bitterly
or making disparaging comments about people who bottom posts.
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Thats rite
 
Jon said:
One post does not an obsession make!




Apart from the fact that bottom posting with appropriate snipping (also known as inline posting) is the method long regarded as good netiquette, doesn't that tell you something about the relative merits of the two? One annoys lots of people; the other, virtually no one.
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How do you know that the posters annoyed by top posting are people?
Sometimes I wonder.
 
...he's knowledgeable, articulate and has manners...
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Add 'extremely helpful' and I'll amen that!
...(except for that one foible.)
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Entirely excusable because of the above attributes. Not so for the troll of very little brain.

Jon.
 
I admit my having confused the two of you (It's difficult "keepin up
with the John/Jon (es)" ;-))

I thank you for the "somewhat left-handed compliment" (no slight on
left-handed people, mind you).

Rather than spending a lot of energy being redundant, I have explained
in past posts that there is some reasoning behind the use of top posting
is the highly topical (excuse the pun) type of interchange that tends to
occur in newsgroups such as these.

In fact, I have taken some time to be mindful of my own interaction with
the interface of news/email clients to consider the mechanics of bottom
posting for the last while, to try to better evaluate it, and sadly (for
yourself and a few others) I find it amazingly awkward to work with, in
terms of locating new information, and in terms of time consumption.

I would agree that some editing might help, but it actually degrades the
functionality, in terms of developing an archive, if that is one of the
supposed advantages of bottom posting.

So, in as objective a manner as I would afford myself, I am still
unconvinced bottom posting is effective overall in this medium. However,
I will try to be a bit more conscientious of reduction of quoted materials.

Art
(Art for Art Sake?)
 
Are you two trying to ruin me? ;-)

I need at least someone around here thinking I carry a big club and grunt!

Art
 
I need at least someone around here thinking I carry a big club and
grunt!
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OK. Knowledgeable, articulate, helpful, has manners and is extremely butch. How's that?

Jon.
 
Oh Yeah and look at the names he called you.



Thats rite
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Is English your native tongue? Or are you just as dismal in your
spelling as in many other aspects?
(snipped)
 
Yes, UV sprays work, but make sure to test them to make sure they don't
alter the colors or make them run.

Lamination is a double edged sword on several accounts. Laminates are
made up of two main components, a plastic sheeting, and an adhesive.

The adhesive may be either a thermal glue (for hot lamination) or a
contact glue, for cold laminates. These glues can be of many different
formulations, and have very differing pH's, may or may not off gas,
harden, yellow, etc. The plastics themselves can be made from a number
of types (vinyl, polystyrene, polyethylene, nylon, etc.) Some are known
to react and oxidize causing fading, or ar porous, while others may
protect against fading.

Some inks outgas or dry very slowly, and should not be laminated for
weeks or months prior to fully drying.

Personally, I neither like laminating for fine art pieces, nor do I
really trust it, and I don't think I would mix a spray with laminating,
probably get some conflicts with the solvents involved.

For longevity, I would suspect some laminates do indeed improve fade
resistance, but I would try to find a proven product.

Art
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I tried one of the recommended Krylon sprays several years ago, before
the choice of really good ink jet papers became available. At that
time, I was very disappointed with the results, and quickly abandoned
that approach. Fortunately some good papers became available, which
kept me from looking back.

Olin McDaniel
 
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