Arthur said:
e-printerhelp stated:
Measekite stated:
There is a great difference between what you believe to be and what is
factually correct. There is also a great difference between
sabotaging others' communication by distorting or altering quotes and
attributions, and giving your opinion. What percentage uses OEM
versus 3rd party is not the issue here, even if your statistics were
accurate. I don't make false claims about OEM product, but you make
blatantly prejudicial and false claims about 3rd party product. Some
people buy OEM inks because they believe doing otherwise will void
their warranty.
It certainly can. If these inferior inks are the cause of the problem
the printer mfg do not have to repair those damages caused by those
inferior inks under the warranty.
Some do not have easy access to anything but OEM,
Another false statement. They all have
www.inferiorink.com available on
their computers. I think their printers are connected to a computer and
I think their computer is connected to the internet.
some don't know there are alternatives, some don't wish to be bothered
with refilling cartridges,
It certainly is a messy bother.
some OEMs have made it nearly impossible to refill,
They are entitles to mfg their printer according to the design they
think is best and to make the most money they can. They are entitled to
make the most money from their ink also. I do think they overcharge for
the ink. I also think they charge more than they need for all of their
upscale printers like the Epson 3800 and the Canon Pro9500 and Pro9000
and probably charge a little less on certain mainstream models like the
Canon IP4500 but they have a right to do so.
and some people have adequate funds available to them that they can't
be bothered to use anything but OEM. Some have tried poor 3rd party
inks and had poor results and gone back to OEM as a result.
That is one point. You never know what you are getting with off brand
ink. Many vendors are selling the same thing from the same suppliers
under different names. When a person claims to have trouble with one
name others buy another name thinking it is different but it is the
same. Some of the fly by niters even maintain multiple websites selling
the same junk under different names as marketing as different sources.
Not all generic ink is bad but the good is very very few. Pantone is a
good source but it costs even more than OEM ink. There is another mfg
of ink that may not be bad but they do not sell it in carts and only in
gallons so that is not an option. They will not reveal where you can
buy it.
And some would rather toss a perfectly good printer than BUY OEM inks
for it, due to costs and inability to find good quality 3rd party ink.
The only person I have any interest in driving off this newsgroups is
you, and that's only for one reason. You do not supply worthwhile or
accurate information most of the time,
Most of the time you write compositions with a holier than thou attitude.
in fact quite the contrary, you create confusion and misdirection and
misinformation.
That is because you have a different opinion.
If you indicated your point of view for what it was, your opinion, I
would not fault it. I may or may not agree with it, but I would see
no problem with it. But you have no experience whatsoever from which
you speak from in regard to a matter that you have become a zealot
about, and you completely misrepresent the point of view of those who
have that knowledge and experience, leaving others to have to jump in
to correct that so people aren't mislead.
you do not agree with. I do not care what you think. For an ego like
your who claims not to read my stuff you are certainly spending a great
deal of time spouting your stuff about me.
This is what I say all of the time
OEM ink is better.
OEM ink has reduced risk of fading
OEM has better color
OEM ink is more consistent
You know what you are getting
You can track the quality because the same thing under one name is sold
in a variety of places like Costco, Staple, and onlin sources.
Even Wilhelm Labs, a respected company, has written articles stating
that aftermarket ink is inferior.
The same crap is sold by many suppliers under different names and is
sold even by multiple site they operated to confuse the public. Their
websites are not clear on what they sell and they do not disclose all of
the information needed to make a good decision. These are facts. If
you do not like it that is too bad.
You have made many claims that cannot and will not be found in any
printer manual, and you have made claims not about OEM product which
you actually know something about, but about 3rd party cartridges
which you know next to nothing about, since you claim you never use them.
I know about the Apple operating system but I never have used it. I
know much about Nikon and Canon DSLR but I have never used them. I know
how to drive a Mini Cooper S but have never sat in one. I even know
some of the types here.
And further, when you can't win those debates, you sink to juvenile
levels of discourse using foul language, insults, and childlike language.
As I stated in my previous post, I am not lying. I screen all your
posts under your email addresses I am aware of. I saw this because it
was quoted in its entirety by someone else. I would completely ignore
you if you did not make extra work for me by misleading people with
your statements which I then find necessary to correct for the sake of
accuracy.
If you didn't continually disparage 3rd party ink distributors, and
instead took that same time and read the testimonials on these
newsgroups you would see some consistency in the names of trustworthy
suppliers
Those are claims by a few. I called those sources. I asked them to
tell me the brand they sell. They refused. I asked them to tell me how
I can know if other vendors sell the same ink from the same supplier as
they do under a different name and they refused. I asked them to inform
me how I can determine that if I had trouble with ink from another
supplier how I would know if the ink they sell is not the same exact
ink under their name and they said that there is no way I can tell short
of both sources disclosing the real mfg of the ink.
I do not have this problem with HP or Canon and I am sure not with Epson
either.
which consistently come up from individuals who have used their
products for years and years.
They do not know what they use. They only know where they got it from.
They do not know if their vendor changed their suppliers. While one
posted they had problems with ink and that if was found out their their
supplier changed the magenta they were getting. You do not have these
problems with OEMs.
Instead of continually stating that the sky is falling if anyone uses
3rd party inks, if you took some attention, you might be able to
council people as to which products in eh 3rd party market were a s
usual, better than usual, or heaven forbade, maybe better than OEM,
and draw people away from poorer distributors and brands.
There are no brands. There are vendors who sell unknown stuff from mfg
and one has no assurances that the next batch they buy that was based on
price may be something different.
Instead you operate as a zealot without experience into the other ways
of accomplishing things.
I hope I am, because much of what you have to say shouldn't see the
light of day, and much of the rest is tarnished by your own lack of
credibility.
Only from member of your club. There have been other poster who
disagreed with the click and were driven off when ganged up upon but I
think that people should know the truth.
Any one can call a supplier and ask who the mfg is. Anyone can read the
multitude of websites and see that all of the information full
disclosure is not there.
You will note that I mentioned that at some brief interludes you were
providing helpful and useful (and accurate) information in the
comp.periphs.printers group. Then you decided to play the foolish
game of black and white views on OEM versus 3rd party inks, which was
poorly appreciated because so many people who were regular readers and
contributors here had country experiences and you were, quite honestly
talking out of your hat. When that didn't go your way, you began
making juvenile postings, which only furthered tarnish your reputation
here.
I want people to hear both sides of an issue and make a well educated
decision. That means them having a balanced reporting of real
information. You assume these is some kind of conspiracy against you
here based upon a belief that all the members, or a vast number of
them were making their livings on selling 3rd party inks. Many are. Many were.
That was untrue. If anything, your harassment drove off several
representatives of 3rd party ink companies
That is good. They were using this forum for marketing and not fully
disclosing who they were and what they were doing. This is deceitful.
Once the information on who they were became known they decided their
marketing edge was not their. This group is not supposed to be a
marketing group.
