Epson R220 vs R260

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I have been looking at the R220 for printing on CD/DVD's. I have been
reading that the inks are waterbased and therefore prone to smudgeing and
running. Have also read that some have been spraying with acrylic to
protect the printing. Anyone have any experience or knowledge of the new
R260? Are the inks waterbased also? Is it prone to smudgeing and running
also.

Thanks,
Carol
 
All consumer inkjet printer use waterbased inks. However some inks and
some media become waterproof upon drying. The inks on the R260 are
likely waterbased. The R260 does use the new Claria inks which are
supposed to be more resistant to smudging and scratching.

I too would like to know if anyone can compare these new inks to the
earlier dye based inks?

Art
 
Carol said:
I have been looking at the R220 for printing on CD/DVD's. I have been
reading that the inks are waterbased and therefore prone to smudgeing and
running. Have also read that some have been spraying with acrylic to
protect the printing. Anyone have any experience or knowledge of the new
R260? Are the inks waterbased also? Is it prone to smudgeing and running
also.
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I can't give you any data on the r260. Too new. Lesser models, like
the r200 I have direct experence with but I don't even know the specs
on the r260 nor have I met one.

I do have some experence spraying discs and would agree that if you do,
acrylic is the way to go. Poly-urethane would seem to corrupt data on
DVDs, and waterbased urthene's i've tried are well... go on to thick
and orange peal. Stuff sold at art supply shops including krylon uv
protectent, workable fixative, and even some brands like Americana,
have thus far provided good results, and have not mangled DVDs.

My main experence base is with the ip3000, mp760, and ip5200 on OEM and
aftermarket inks. I ditched the epson over a year ago, but expect my
info on acrylics to be the same on both.
 
Thanks for your input. Would like to know if it's worth the extra money for
the 260. I can get the r220 for $70.00.

Carol
 
zakezuke said:
I can't give you any data on the r260. Too new. Lesser models, like
the r200 I have direct experence with but I don't even know the specs
on the r260 nor have I met one.

I do have some experence spraying discs and would agree that if you do,
acrylic is the way to go. Poly-urethane would seem to corrupt data on
DVDs, and waterbased urthene's i've tried are well... go on to thick
and orange peal. Stuff sold at art supply shops including krylon uv
protectent, workable fixative, and even some brands like Americana,
have thus far provided good results, and have not mangled DVDs.

My main experence base is with the ip3000, mp760, and ip5200 on OEM and
aftermarket inks. I ditched the epson over a year ago, but expect my
info on acrylics to be the same on both.
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Zakezuke,

Thanks. I have an old can of Blair matte spray fix. Would this work. It
says "the original workable matte fixative". Don't know if it's acrylic or
not. Some have suggested some spray from Wal-mart. Can't remember the name
now, Pat something I think.

Carol
 
Carol said:
Zakezuke,

Thanks. I have an old can of Blair matte spray fix. Would this work. It
says "the original workable matte fixative". Don't know if it's acrylic or
not. Some have suggested some spray from Wal-mart. Can't remember the name
now, Pat something I think.

Carol
Don't use the old blair spray.I spray my cd/dvds with Krylon uv-resistant clear
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acrylic coating or krylon preserve it.I like the gloss uv-resistant
best.I have used this on a lot of dvds and they look great.just spray a
lite coat on them.
J.H.
 
acrylic coating or krylon preserve it.I like the gloss uv-resistant best.I
have used this on a lot of dvds and they look great.just spray a lite coat
on them.
J.H.
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John,

How do you spray them so as not to get any on the "good" side of the DVD.
Have heard you have to be real careful not to get any on the data side.
Will look for some Krylon spray today.

Thanks,
Carol
 
Carol said:
John,

How do you spray them so as not to get any on the "good" side of the DVD.
Have heard you have to be real careful not to get any on the data side.
Will look for some Krylon spray today.
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I can cover this.

I use an old cake box, as in those things that a CD/DVD come in. sides
are protected mostly, and you are spraying top to a surface that is
flat. Now if you are going to do many CD/DVDs, there will be some run
off, so consider a coaster, as in a blank CD under the one you are
going to spray. I use the gasket that comes with the CDs/DVDs when i'm
not using full printables, but for fall ones I use the smaller gasket.
There is "some" over spray as I make sure the washer/gasket hangs above
the CD by a few mm, but not much.

I spray in a checker box fashon, then rotate 45 and add another
checkerbox, so the spray ends up being more of a hexigon with the
overspray going tward the box which I paint upon. It's difficult to
get it 100% flat... but for me this technique as good enough.

You may also use an old DVD case, an old CD case, anything with a lip.
These can be easer to work with, but I prefer the cake box cause I can
plop on a gasket with ease. Not so easy on a standard
longbox/jewel/minijewel case.

Drying many discs at a time can be done easily enough by taking the wet
disc out of the cake box using gravity. Let the disc fall down the
shaft about 1/2 way. life from the bottom, and place carefully in a
jewel/minijewel case. These can sit flat or open.

--------

I don't know about the product you use, the matte fixative. I have
used krylon workable fixative and I was more than pleased.

But in your quest to find the products we are speaking of, crafts and
fineart shops are the way to go. Home improvement and hardware stores
are less likely to carry it. The reason I know is I bought urathane at
a home improvement shop and... well... this is how I know it's BAD.

[Blair matte spray fix]
http://www.shoptheartstore.com/prod...26&topCat=CA10DC26-FEF2-42B5-BC5A5D7AFBDD7051

I can't say i've "ever" used this stuff, but this has been used by at
least one person... but I can't share the results.
 
Carol said:
John,

How do you spray them so as not to get any on the "good" side of the DVD.
Have heard you have to be real careful not to get any on the data side.
Will look for some Krylon spray today.

Thanks,
Carol
I spred some newspapers and lay the disc flat on them and spray over the disc about
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12 inches away from the disc.hobby shops have the krylon sprays
J.H.
 
I do have some experence spraying discs and would agree that if you do,
acrylic is the way to go. Poly-urethane would seem to corrupt data on
DVDs, and waterbased urthene's i've tried are well... go on to thick
and orange peal. Stuff sold at art supply shops including krylon uv
protectent, workable fixative, and even some brands like Americana,
have thus far provided good results, and have not mangled DVDs.
Click to expand...

I'm still wary about spraying a CD or DVD, even with acrylic. How long
have you been using this method? I often wonder how well it would
stand up in stressfull environments (i.e. lots of kids handling them,
someone tossing the discs around, or being used in a slot loading car
player). My car player would always heat the discs up a LOT, even in
winter (so it wasn't just from being left in the car). I would worry
about the acrylic cracking and flaking off inside a player eventually.

I'm curious as to whether converting an R200/R300 series printer to
pigment ink would make the discs more waterproof.

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I can't give you any data on the r260. Too new. Lesser models, like
the r200 I have direct experence with but I don't even know the specs
on the r260 nor have I met one.
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R200 was an international model. R260 is a US model. I don't expect any
noticable differences between 200 and 260 models.

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zakezuke said:
I can cover this.

I use an old cake box, as in those things that a CD/DVD come in. sides
are protected mostly, and you are spraying top to a surface that is
flat. Now if you are going to do many CD/DVDs, there will be some run
off, so consider a coaster, as in a blank CD under the one you are
going to spray.
Click to expand...

OK. Put the "coaster" or blank CD they give you on first the place the one
you're going to spray on top of that.
I use the gasket that comes with the CDs/DVDs when i'm
not using full printables, but for fall ones I use the smaller gasket.
There is "some" over spray as I make sure the washer/gasket hangs above
the CD by a few mm, but not much.
Click to expand...

Here is where I'm confused. Are you putting the small "ring" that comes on
top of the pack of CD/DVD's on top of the disc you are spraying? Also, not
touching it (as in to hold it down tight) but a little above the disc to be
sprayed?

Also have you ever tried just laying the disc on top of a "coaster" on some
newspaper as another poster suggested?

Thanks,
Carol
I spray in a checker box fashon, then rotate 45 and add another
checkerbox, so the spray ends up being more of a hexigon with the
overspray going tward the box which I paint upon. It's difficult to
get it 100% flat... but for me this technique as good enough.

You may also use an old DVD case, an old CD case, anything with a lip.
These can be easer to work with, but I prefer the cake box cause I can
plop on a gasket with ease. Not so easy on a standard
longbox/jewel/minijewel case.

Drying many discs at a time can be done easily enough by taking the wet
disc out of the cake box using gravity. Let the disc fall down the
shaft about 1/2 way. life from the bottom, and place carefully in a
jewel/minijewel case. These can sit flat or open.

--------

I don't know about the product you use, the matte fixative. I have
used krylon workable fixative and I was more than pleased.

But in your quest to find the products we are speaking of, crafts and
fineart shops are the way to go. Home improvement and hardware stores
are less likely to carry it. The reason I know is I bought urathane at
a home improvement shop and... well... this is how I know it's BAD.

[Blair matte spray fix]
http://www.shoptheartstore.com/prod...26&topCat=CA10DC26-FEF2-42B5-BC5A5D7AFBDD7051

I can't say i've "ever" used this stuff, but this has been used by at
least one person... but I can't share the results.
Click to expand...
 
Carol said:
OK. Put the "coaster" or blank CD they give you on first the place the one
you're going to spray on top of that.
Click to expand...

It does not really matter whether you use a CD or a 120mm piece of
plastic. But if you are giong to be spraying many discs in a row,
spray will collect below the CD. Use of a coaster will help prevent
this, or give you the ability to remove and clean and get ready for the
next spraying.
Here is where I'm confused. Are you putting the small "ring" that comes on
top of the pack of CD/DVD's on top of the disc you are spraying? Also, not
touching it (as in to hold it down tight) but a little above the disc to be
sprayed?

Also have you ever tried just laying the disc on top of a "coaster" on some
newspaper as another poster suggested?
Click to expand...

Just using newspaper should be "adquate"... this falls into the
catagory of style and what works best for you. What works for me may
not work best for you. I don't use newspaper because I don't want to
spray the edge of the disc, and I don't want the possiblity of spraying
paper which will absorb spray and might get on on the disc. I have no
experence doing this... it's just my uneducated opinion. Feel free to
explore and find your own truth.
 
Yianni said:
R200 was an international model. R260 is a US model. I don't expect any
noticable differences between 200 and 260 models.
Click to expand...

The r260 is something resembling a leap from the older r200/r220/r240
models. They employ the use of Claria, so the inks are different.
Further, the dropsize is smaller in the r260, 1.5pl rather than, if I
remember correctly 3pl.

So new ink, different head.... so while it seems America is getting
this model first, the r200 isn't an international edition of the 260.
 
The r260 is something resembling a leap from the older r200/r220/r240
models.
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Yes, in my country 200, 220, 230.

Further, the dropsize is smaller in the r260, 1.5pl rather than, if I
remember correctly 3pl.
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2pl. I don't expect to change the printhead, just a higher frequency for
reducing the drpoplet size. By the way, Canon's 1pl and Epson's 1.5pl may is
a "marketing" feature. Who would measure it...

They employ the use of Claria, so the inks are different.
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In my opinion not any [expectable] noticable difference. Just think, an
experienced company that makes its *BEST* ink now, how much improvement you
should expect 6 months later? And we are talking about a company with
decades of years in ink manufacturing and thousants patents... Claria,
ultrachrome, durabrite, chromalife, vivera, eco sol, eco sol max, all
marketing purpose names. Btw, the ultrachrome is the most "catchable" name,
at least in my country (english is no native language). Half of people when
they hear ultrachrome you see the feeling of something significant in their
faces (lol!).
And just to make a prediction, some future names: vivit, durachrome,
sharpera, vivisharp, or exotic names, sapphire, lachesis, ...
 
Thanks for your help. I am curious about how many spray their discs. I
posted a thread about this in Steve's forum, however I can't get to the page
this a.m. Will try later. Thanks again. You've been a help.

Carol
 
Carol.
In my other post I said I use newspaper just spred the paper out so the
disc lays good and flat.also you can lay a piece of cardboard on the
newspaper and put the disc on it.also imation has a new disc out that
you don't have to spray.it is called aquaguard.go to their website at
www.imation.com and you can request them to send you a sample disc.I had
them to send me one and I tested it with water. and it is water proof
and smear resistant.Hope this helps.
J.H.
 
John
Thanks. I will check out the Imation discs. Hopefully they will be
available locally. What I did for now (my first time attempting to spray)
was put the disc on a clear plastic disc - the ones they supply with bulk
discs - in a "cakebox". Then set this in a cardboard box from veggies or
soup or something, can't remember which, but it is about 3" high. Seemed to
dry OK. Other's have recommended waiting 24 hrs. before playing disc. I am
definitely interested in the Imation discs though. Would save a lot of
time. Do you spray your discs all the time or just certain ones?

Thanks again,
Carol
 
Carol said:
John
Do you spray your discs all the time or just certain ones?
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I am not John, but "I" spray discs I give to others, and keep an
unsprayed set presently. I'm super careful in this regard.
 
I spray about all of my disc.You are worrying to much about spraying.
you don't need to go to all that trouble.Just lay the plastic disc on
some newspaper or cardboard and spray as long as the disc is flat you
are not going to get any on the bottom.When I started spraying them I
was just like you afraid I would mess up the disc.if you are the only
one that is going to be handling the disc you really don't need to spray
them.I have some here that I have not sprayed and as long as I don't
touch them with wet hands they are ok.What are you spraying your disc
with. did you get the krylon uv-resistant clear acrylic.
J.H.
 
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