Epson Printers

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Thanks. The Epson rep did say that the intitial priming did use a lot of ink.
But almost a whole catridge worth?
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Yeah. When I finally got the R340 replaced I did the waste tank
modification /before/ I put the ink into the printer. It took nearly
12 ml of ink to prime the heads. I've seen some reports on a few
message boards where their printer took even more.
Anyway, I think I'll go for the R220. It's
only a hundred bucks. And if someplace down the line I want more printer, I can
always get one. I just need a replacement right now. Don't know if I even
mentioned it in my original post, but the problem with my 785EPX is that a
couple of the rollers keep getting ink on them and smearing the paper. Before
every print job I have to run blank paper through six or eight times to clean
the roller. I contacted Epson and they tolk me the printer probably needed
service, and with the cost of printers, it would likely be more economical to
just byt a new one. I think he was probably right.
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Call around and see if you can get an R200 on clearance somewhere. I
still see them around at Best Buy and Office Depot because they
haven't gotten rid of all of them. There is zero difference between
the printers other than the R220's Vivid mode uses more ink than
before. They have not fixed any of the problems with the CD tray feed
problems, so there's no reason to get the 'newest' one. I've seen the
R200 at about $70 or lower.

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Fenrir said:
No, they are full cartridges, however, because the initial head
priming takes up a massive amount of ink (10-15 ml, nearly a full
cartridge worth), they won't last as long as the next set. I doubt it
was so much that he was trying for an additional sale as much as he
didn't know the product. I've seen salespeople in Staples, Circuit
City, and Best Buy go so far as to tell people they didn't have a
product that they /did/ carry, simply because they had no clue about
it. However, printers coming with 'starter cartridges' is a pretty
common myth that most people believe. Most HPs still do this, but
Epson and Canon do not, as far as I know.
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IN DA BUSINESS
 
Thanks. The Epson rep did say that the intitial priming did use a lot of ink.
But almost a whole catridge worth? Anyway, I think I'll go for the R220. It's
only a hundred bucks. And if someplace down the line I want more printer, I can
always get one. I just need a replacement right now.
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You listened to our advice and made a choice, and I understand that
choice. You logic is acceptable, the printer doesn't cost that much
more than the ink it comes with and the prints are supurb.

Epson.com is now offering referb r200s again for $60 free shipping.
Even if you paid $100 for your r220 you should buy the referb for it's
$17 less than ink for the r220. You get a spare and you save money on
ink.
 
You listened to our advice and made a choice, and I understand that
choice. You logic is acceptable, the printer doesn't cost that much
more than the ink it comes with and the prints are supurb.

Epson.com is now offering referb r200s again for $60 free shipping.
Even if you paid $100 for your r220 you should buy the referb for it's
$17 less than ink for the r220. You get a spare and you save money on
ink.
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Good thought, as I'll basically be getting six more ink cartridges at a bargain
and a free printer. Thanks again for all the input.
 
Good thought, as I'll basically be getting six more ink cartridges at a bargain
and a free printer. Thanks again for all the input.
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I just ordered one for $59.00 That is way cheaper than the carts.
the carts at epson store is $78.79 plus ship & tax.The lowest price I
can find for the carts is $73.73 at databazzar with free shipping
 
John said:
I just ordered one for $59.00 That is way cheaper than the carts.
the carts at epson store is $78.79 plus ship & tax.The lowest price I
can find for the carts is $73.73 at databazzar with free shipping
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I UNDERSTAND YOU DOING THIS. BUT IF MANY PEOPLE DO THIS THAN EPSON WILL
PUT MINI CARTS IN THE PRINTER. THAT WILL MAKE THIS PRACTICE LESS
ATTRACTIVE.
 
Measekite said <snipped per request>

Or more likely simply charge more for their referb units if it's even
an issue, or lower the price of their ink to a more reasonable level.
Odds are they have a surplus of referbs they just want to get rid of,
and are selling them with ink for less than retail price of the ink.
The supply of referbs is limited, I notice they tend to run out, likely
because they are cheaper than the ink. They get rid of a batch of
suprlus printers, they sell ink which is a high profit item, they
transform a loss into bucks.

Given they keep returning to the website... I don't honestly think it's
an issue. With these surplus printers floating about someone out there
someone is going to end up buying OEM ink, at $12 bucks a pop or more.


But this does not change the fact that for an OEM user, it's a "good
deal". They get ink at $9.83 per when they would normally spend more,
they get a spare printer which they could either keep as a spare , or
sell to a nice aftermarket CIS user.

A good rule of thumb, don't look a gift horse in the mouth... esp since
the cost to feed the horse will keep feed shop in peanuts.
 
I UNDERSTAND YOU DOING THIS. BUT IF MANY PEOPLE DO THIS THAN EPSON WILL
PUT MINI CARTS IN THE PRINTER. THAT WILL MAKE THIS PRACTICE LESS
ATTRACTIVE.
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According to what Epson told me the other day when I called them, they don't
even make mini-cartridges, so they'd have to gear up the plan to make them for a
few refurbed units. I seriously doubt they'd even bother.
 
Or more likely simply charge more for their referb units if it's even
an issue, or lower the price of their ink to a more reasonable level.
Odds are they have a surplus of referbs they just want to get rid of,
and are selling them with ink for less than retail price of the ink.
The supply of referbs is limited, I notice they tend to run out, likely
because they are cheaper than the ink. They get rid of a batch of
suprlus printers, they sell ink which is a high profit item, they
transform a loss into bucks.

Given they keep returning to the website... I don't honestly think it's
an issue. With these surplus printers floating about someone out there
someone is going to end up buying OEM ink, at $12 bucks a pop or more.


But this does not change the fact that for an OEM user, it's a "good
deal". They get ink at $9.83 per when they would normally spend more,
they get a spare printer which they could either keep as a spare , or
sell to a nice aftermarket CIS user.

A good rule of thumb, don't look a gift horse in the mouth... esp since
the cost to feed the horse will keep feed shop in peanuts.
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Since I've owned printers, at least color photo printers, I've only used the
name brand inks. Anyone have any experience, good or bad, with generic inks
supposedly made for the printers, or refilling kits? I see them a lot cheaper on
eBay. Thanks.
 
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Since I've owned printers, at least color photo printers, I've only used the
name brand inks. Anyone have any experience, good or bad, with generic inks
supposedly made for the printers, or refilling kits? I see them a lot cheaper on
eBay. Thanks.
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Rather than repeat stuff over and over.. This forum is quite useful re:
that topic.

http://www.nifty-stuff.com/forum/viewforum.php?id=12


The suppliers that are regularly recommended are:
Image Specialists (resold by: MIS associates (www.inksupply.com), Gemini
Colours (www.refillink.biz), Hobbicolours (google it), and others..

My personal recommendation is on Image Specialists inks after 3 years
without trouble on various printers.
 
Since I've owned printers, at least color photo printers, I've only used the
name brand inks. Anyone have any experience, good or bad, with generic inks
supposedly made for the printers, or refilling kits? I see them a lot cheaper on
eBay
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My experence was only soso, but that was due to the cartridges I
purchaced. They were clear multi-chamber beasts as is the standard on
epson but there didn't seem to be a proper venthole, so a vacuum would
happen... so it wouldn't print. I could burp them but then it would
suck ink only from the lower chambers, I poked a hole in the top then
it would only suck ink from the upper chamers and then air directly
into the head. I think what I bought was either faulty or designed for
a CIS system, more likely a CIS system. It leads me to believe that
foam cartridges rather than multi-chamber wonders would be the ticket
though lower life and more costly. Either that or external tanks
(CIS), as vacuum filling is a little bit of a pain.

I just saw this that seemed most interesting, seems there are
compatable brands that employ sponges, which would make refilling
easier. But they are not clear like many an aftermarket refillable.
But since I imagine they require a chip-resetter one would have some
clue as to it's fullness and get a warning when empty.

http://www.alotofthings.com/support...psonCompatibleInkCartridgesByMyinkGG_VVG.html
http://www.alotofthings.com/support...tibleInkCartridgesByNectronInternational.html

The ink it self was from MIS (inksupply.com) and while others said
there was a color shift, I didn't notice much of one.

At least with Canon you can totally expect the aftermarkets, the cheap
ones, to not have super super print life. Epson is a little different
due to the fact that it doesn't depend on boiling the ink to get it on
the page, and the simple fact that any data on faiding I see for canon
aftermarket inks, not epson. At least with the pigment printers there
are some nice options advertised to be archivial, and people who have
successfully put pigments in the dye models. I'm not saying it's a
good idea... i've never tried it.

A good rule of thumb is if you destroy your printer after the 2nd or
3rd cartridge change and must buy a new printer it still costs less.
In the case of the c84 and r200, the referb printers cost less than ink
so you can at least try them out first, and it's not really any great
loss.

Expect bulk ink, when you factor in the cost of the refillable tanks,
to cost you 75% to 90% less than OEM, prefills 60% or so. Most
interesting is the fact that epsons tend to leve a few ml in the
cartridges when empty, in my experence I could extract a full tank from
3 to 4 empty ones.

I would avoid e-bay till I get a firm reccomendation. My refillable
tanks for example came with ink. It was a great color match, but
faided within weeks.
 
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Since I've owned printers, at least color photo printers, I've only used the
name brand inks. Anyone have any experience, good or bad, with generic inks
supposedly made for the printers, or refilling kits? I see them a lot cheaper on
eBay. Thanks.
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GENERIC INKS WILL RUIN YOUR PRINTER UNLESS YOU ARE A VERY VERY HEAVY
USER. THEN THE INK WILL TAKE LONGER TO CLOG SO YOU MAY BE ABLE TO USE
IT ENOUGH BEFOIRE IT GETS RUINED. DO NOT LISTEN TO THE MANY LIES
PEOPLEWILL SAY HERE. READ POSTSOVER A PERIOD OF TIME AND YOUWILL READ
ABOUT MANYPEOPLE HAVING PRINTER PROBLEMS.
 
According to what Epson told me the other day when I called them, they don't
even make mini-cartridges, so they'd have to gear up the plan to make them for a
few refurbed units. I seriously doubt they'd even bother.
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HP DID SO MAYBE EPSON WILL TOO.
 
Measekite said <snipped per request>

Either

1. There is a big aftermarket conspiricy where the users in this group
who use aftermarket successfully are taking the time to lie to you
about the subject in the hopes you buy their dirty wares. And people
buy wares which cause their printers to explode, with no hope of
warranty service, shell out another hundrad for another printer and do
the same thing over again.

2. Aftermarket ink from the right sources can save you so much money,
so much money that chucking your printer after two or three uses is
cheaper than the OEM ink. Tens of dollars, hundrads of dollars, or
even thousands of dollars.

Which is the most resonable hypothesis?

or in the case of epson.

3. The printer from the website in it's referb state with ink cost
less than OEM ink, so any experiment with prefilled aftermarket
supplies would at the very worst cost you $15 or $20 assuming 60 for
the printer, $70 to $77 for OEM supplies, and $5/per for prefilled
aftermarket tanks, that is if the printer explodes upon inserting the
cartridges. If you print 1/3 a cartridge before it explodes you broke
even, 1/2 you saved $20, a full set you saved $40, assuming prefilled
at $5/pop.

I'm not saying aftermarket is the best choice... there are good reasons
to buy OEM. The printer, ink, and papers offered by the company are
part of a system which are in all fairness calibrated to eachother.
That to some people might be worth $70-$77 a set. Or you can
experiment with pigments in the r200, media street offers their
Generations G-Chrome for $65 a set. The printer is not designed for
pigments so I can't say i've tried pigments in it, so I have no clue.
But at least you get something extra for your bucks, longer life prints
than dye. Or by prefills at a savings of 60% or refill at a savings of
70% to 90%. It's your money, it's your choice.
 
Since I've owned printers, at least color photo printers, I've only used the
name brand inks. Anyone have any experience, good or bad, with generic inks
supposedly made for the printers, or refilling kits? I see them a lot cheaper
on
eBay. Thanks.
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There is a world of difference between generic and compatible inks. Generic ink
suppliers claim that one ink works with many printers, in my experience these
are fraught with problems. Compatible inks from a reputable supplier are
formulated for a specific printer and do not cause damage or affect the quality
of the prints. See other responses for the names of good suppliers of
compatible inks.
Tony
 
Tony said:
There is a world of difference between generic and compatible inks. Generic ink
suppliers claim that one ink works with many printers, in my experience these
are fraught with problems. Compatible inks from a reputable supplier are
formulated for a specific printer and do not cause damage or affect the quality
of the prints. See other responses for the names of good suppliers of
compatible inks.
Tony
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To Tony
would you get as good color with compatible carts as from epson carts.I
have the r200 and the photo prints are fantasic using epson carts and
epson paper.
 
John H. said:
To Tony
would you get as good color with compatible carts as from epson carts.I
have the r200 and the photo prints are fantasic using epson carts and
epson paper.
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To be fair, there is much debate about that and I have no personal experience
with the latest Epson printers and the new inks. I think others here are better
qualified to answer the question. I was answering your question generally and
making the distinction between Generic (universal) inks and compatible inks.
Tony
 
John said:
To Tony
would you get as good color with compatible carts as from epson
carts.I have the r200 and the photo prints are fantasic using epson
carts and epson paper.
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