Epson Inks

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So, your suggestion is not well for Nodge, because he would like to use
pigment inks. Nobody buys such a printer for using it with dyes.
And a tip, C84 is designed to use pigment inks, now because you use dye, C84
is less prone to clogs than a printer designed for dye inks!

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Yianni
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I have an Epson 2100 A3 printer which I am now using to regularly print A3
size prints. I am only using genuine Epson cartridges and I am getting very
good quality and no print problems whatseover. Even after returning from a 2
week holiday I did a nozzle check and had no blocked nozzles at all. Of
course the only problem is I'm spending a small fortune on ink and I'm now
considering changing to either compatible cartridges or something like a
Lyson continuous ink system. I've been steering clear of compatibles up to
now as I know people have problems with blocked nozzles with some of them.
I really do need to cut my costs though while retaining quality and
reliablility.
Any recommendations for either compatible carts or continuous ink systems?
Any to avoid? I might even consider getting another A3 printer just for use
on this project. I've always been happy with the print quality from Epsons
but i'm open to suggestions if there's a better solution.

Thanks

John
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I went to the photo show at the javits center a week ago and spoke to
the Lyson rep. I own an Epson Stylus Photo R1800 and am looking for a
professional continuous ink system. I'm going to go with Lyson in the
very near future as I need to produce a very large number of very
large prints. The Lyson ink is archival and very close to the gamut
of the Epson inks and have a better red and yellow than Epson
according to the rep. I asked him about clogging and he said print
something out occasionally during inactive printing periods. Epson
ink can get expensive as hell considering the amount of cleaning the
system does when turned on. If anyone can give a recommendation other
than Lyson that might be better with archival qualities, I'd love to
hear it. Epson printers are great machines, but the ink expense is
killer.
 
measekite wrote:


---his usual bs lies----

Have you recently been discharged from a mental institution? We all need
to know as you desperately need to be re-committed.
The treatment didn't work.
Try again.
Frank
 
On the contrary, the pigment ink that Epson designed for the C84,
Dura-brite, is inappropriate, and causes the printhead to clog to the point
of the printer being ruined. The dye base third party ink designed by a good
aftermarket company works just fine. Almost two years of using that kind of
dye-base ink with a dozen C84's is enough evidence to prove that to me. I've
found from hard experience that just because Epson SAYS something doesn't
make it necessarily true. What they foisted on the consumer with Dura-brite
inks (not Dura-brite Ultra) was a nastily designed ink that I would
conjecture has caused thousands of printers to prematurely become landfill
fodder; from my own experience with the first six that died within a two
year period when I used their ink in those printers.
As far as my suggestion goes to the OP about refilling I never said I was
using dye base ink with the R1800. In fact I'm using aftermarket pigment ink
with that particular printer, and it works fine and is a fraction of the
cost of buying Epson ink, besides being environmentally friendly in that I
can refill the cartridges instead of purchasing new ones each time.
 
Lyson has a decent reputation and is a real brand.  I cannot comment on their CPS and I do not know how much they cost but at least, unlike the rest of the trash and unprofessional fly by nites in this industry they a worth looking into.  Still I think the Ultrachrome inks for the Epson are probably the best.

[email protected] wrote:

On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:11:32 GMT, "Nodge" <[email protected]> wrote:



I have an Epson 2100 A3 printer which I am now using to regularly print A3 size prints. I am only using genuine Epson cartridges and I am getting very good quality and no print problems whatseover. Even after returning from a 2 week holiday I did a nozzle check and had no blocked nozzles at all. Of course the only problem is I'm spending a small fortune on ink and I'm now considering changing to either compatible cartridges or something like a Lyson continuous ink system. I've been steering clear of compatibles up to now as I know people have problems with blocked nozzles with some of them. I really do need to cut my costs though while retaining quality and reliablility. Any recommendations for either compatible carts or continuous ink systems? Any to avoid? I might even consider getting another A3 printer just for use on this project. I've always been happy with the print quality from Epsons but i'm open to suggestions if there's a better solution. Thanks John



I went to the photo show at the javits center a week ago and spoke to the Lyson rep. I own an Epson Stylus Photo R1800 and am looking for a professional continuous ink system. I'm going to go with Lyson in the very near future as I need to produce a very large number of very large prints. The Lyson ink is archival and very close to the gamut of the Epson inks and have a better red and yellow than Epson according to the rep. I asked him about clogging and he said print something out occasionally during inactive printing periods. Epson ink can get expensive as hell considering the amount of cleaning the system does when turned on. If anyone can give a recommendation other than Lyson that might be better with archival qualities, I'd love to hear it. Epson printers are great machines, but the ink expense is killer.
 
Jan said:
On the contrary, the pigment ink that Epson designed for the C84,
Dura-brite, is inappropriate, and causes the printhead to clog to the point
of the printer being ruined.
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Those durabrite printers are garbage and were garbage when they were made.
The dye base third party ink designed by a good
aftermarket company
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Now there just are not any of those. Well maybe Lyson and Pantone.
works just fine. Almost two years of using that kind of
dye-base ink with a dozen C84's is enough evidence to prove that to me.
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Does not prove anything. And what about fading.
I've
found from hard experience that just because Epson SAYS something doesn't
make it necessarily true. What they foisted on the consumer with Dura-brite
inks (not Dura-brite Ultra) was a nastily designed ink that I would
conjecture has caused thousands of printers to prematurely become landfill
fodder; from my own experience with the first six that died within a two
year period when I used their ink in those printers.
As far as my suggestion goes to the OP about refilling I never said I was
using dye base ink with the R1800. In fact I'm using aftermarket pigment ink
with that particular printer, and it works fine
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Fine does not mean anything. I am sure the color quality is not as good
and the fade resistance cannot compare either but it is certain that
there are no photoshop color profiles for the who knows what and your paper.
 
In the UK I have used choice stationery (www.choicestationery.co.uk)
Epson compatible ink "Think" brand for some years with no problems:
maybe one or two unusable cartridges in 50+ but the price is so low I
just throw them away. For a while they stopped doing the cartridge for
the model I use (880) so I changed to printerinks.com Xprint brand, -
equally no problems - hard to judge which is best but maybe the think
ones had a bit more ink in them.

Hard to judge fading - certainly OK for 2 years displayed in a photo
frame but I will be worm fodder long before I can vouch for 50 year fade
properties.
 
Frank said:
measekite wrote:


---his usual bs lies----

Have you recently been discharged from a mental institution? We all need
to know as you desperately need to be re-committed.
The treatment didn't work.
Try again.
Click to expand...

I'm afraid the next step will have to be a prefrontal lobotomy for
measkite, Frank!

Jim Ford
 
I have an Epson 2100 A3 printer which I am now using to regularly print A3
size prints. I am only using genuine Epson cartridges and I am getting very
good quality and no print problems whatseover. Even after returning from a 2
week holiday I did a nozzle check and had no blocked nozzles at all. Of
course the only problem is I'm spending a small fortune on ink and I'm now
considering changing to either compatible cartridges or something like a
Lyson continuous ink system. I've been steering clear of compatibles up to
now as I know people have problems with blocked nozzles with some of them.
I really do need to cut my costs though while retaining quality and
reliablility.
Any recommendations for either compatible carts or continuous ink systems?
Any to avoid? I might even consider getting another A3 printer just for use
on this project. I've always been happy with the print quality from Epsons
but i'm open to suggestions if there's a better solution.

Thanks

John
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I always refilled my printers but for GENERAL purpose use until now.
The best choise for me was buying a laser printer (have an aculaser
c1100n & a brother DCP-7010) to print everything but photos with BULK
toner and am planning to buy the epson 1400 or R1800 (R1900 %-) for
fotos WITH OEM cartridges.The only way to get photos last for years is
to use specific inks&media.
My canon's photos printed with inksupply inks (dye) will last about 1-2
MONTHS in my room and unframed.Very dissapointing i guess...
But i have photos printed by my old epson 870 with inksupply's GP
archival inks which last til now (5 years) without maggior fading.

My opinion is that you should consider selling this printer and buy
one new more affordable to run (IMHO)
 
ggreekx said:
My canon's photos printed with inksupply inks (dye) will last about 1-2
MONTHS in my room and unframed.Very dissapointing i guess...
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Contributers to the printing forum at http://dpreview.com have stated
that _the_ major factor influencing print durability with dye inks is
the paper, not the ink.

Jim Ford
 
Contributers to the printing forum at http://dpreview.com have stated
that _the_ major factor influencing print durability with dye inks is
the paper, not the ink.

Jim Ford
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so ..... ? what is your point?
I printed on epson premium gloss 255gr , heavy weight matte and canon's PPpro
Same results..... i managed to take 3-4 months life prints on matte
paper but 2 months or 5 months for me is the same.
Check at wilhelm research site.You'll see that the ink is the number
ONE factor and then comes the paper.
 
measekite wrote:


Nothing based on any actual user experience.
Don't put one cent's worth of belief into anything this moron says. He's
a lying idiot.
Frank
 
| measekite wrote:
|
|
| Nothing based on any actual user experience.
| Don't put one cent's worth of belief into anything this moron says. He's
| a lying idiot.
| Frank

Clearly presidential material.
 
|
|
<snip>
|
| Fine does not mean anything. I am sure the color quality is not as good
| and the fade resistance cannot compare either but it is certain that
| there are no photoshop color profiles for the who knows what and your
paper.
| > and is a fraction of the
| > cost of buying Epson ink, besides being environmentally friendly in that
I
| > can refill the cartridges instead of purchasing new ones each time.

Reminds me of the Nuns in a Catholic School teaching Sex Ed. A subject they
avow not to know anything about.
 
ggreekx said:
so ..... ? what is your point?
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Erm, I would have thought my point was obvious - don't assume because a
print fades, that it's solely down to the ink used.

Jim Ford
 
ggreekx said:
On 2007-10-24 22:11:32 +0200, "Nodge" <[email protected]> said: (snip)

My canon's photos printed with inksupply inks (dye) will last about 1-2
MONTHS in my room and unframed.Very dissapointing i guess... (snip)
Click to expand...
Not my experience. Do you have a lot of UV exposure in your room?
 
Erm, I would have thought my point was obvious - don't assume because a
print fades, that it's solely down to the ink used.

Jim Ford
Click to expand...

Every print faded after a few months.So the maggior factor is the ink
and not the paper.
 
Jan said:
On the contrary, the pigment ink that Epson designed for the C84,
Dura-brite, is inappropriate, and causes the printhead to clog to the point
of the printer being ruined.
Click to expand...
....
What they foisted on the consumer with Dura-brite
inks (not Dura-brite Ultra) was a nastily designed ink that I would
conjecture has caused thousands of printers to prematurely become landfill
fodder; from my own experience with the first six that died within a two
year period when I used their ink in those printers.
Click to expand...

Believe it or not, thousands (millions?) of people had similar
experiences with the second round of Oki's LED printers. Oki tried to
come up with an environmentally-friendly version of their process that
didn't work out; the drums self-destructed, often in less than a year,
and this could happen in before-sale storage. The process was used for
printers, fax machines, etc. My new printer emerged from the box with a
dead drum. This is an expensive consumable part at $160; the drum that
Oki replaced for me under warranty was good for about three weeks before
the image began to break up. This didn't exactly help customer loyalty!
However, at least in my case, Oki came through 7 years later; replaced
the thing with a newer-process refurb that's nice and stable. I guess
that intense competition causes things to sometimes get rushed to market
before their long-term performance has been evaluated. Ouch!
As far as my suggestion goes to the OP about refilling I never said I was
using dye base ink with the R1800. In fact I'm using aftermarket pigment ink
with that particular printer, and it works fine and is a fraction of the
cost of buying Epson ink, besides being environmentally friendly in that I
can refill the cartridges instead of purchasing new ones each time.
Click to expand...
I'm really interested! I've got a used 4600 all-in-one. It uses
Dura-Brite ink. I'm going to assume that I'll be able to clean the heads
somehow. It came in a 4800 box! So, I assume that Epson replaced the
printer with the later model that uses Dura-Brite Ultra ink, and that
mine from the thrift shop is neatly clogged up.

I've been looking over a couple of web sites of ink manufacturers (not
retail ink sellers -- the people who really make the stuff). I've been
impressed with what I've seen on these sites.

So, I'm really interested in knowing what pigment-based ink you've been
using successfully. One of the things that attracted me to an Epson was
the claim of better image permanence then I've experience with dyes and
moisture. Would you be kind enough to tell us what your ink is and where
you get it?

Thanks.

Richard
 
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