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Davy
uote="Mark
As said before, it would be very interseting to get a couplr o
printers from different batches and then compare the two sam
models
The clogging is head related and not mechanical, therefor it would b
correct to assume that it could be batch variations..
Marky, if the boot was on the other foot, I would be praising Epso
and not Canon, all I wanted was a printer that darn well works
People ONLY needs to look elsewhere and NOT in this NG to see tha
there are problems after problems with Epson printers
I'm not the only one who's despondent with Epson you can be wel
assured that there are many others
Dav
Your C62 was a current product when I was doing support and I don' recal
every having to deal with a clogged print head on that model...but the
again, I was doing escalation mostly but did field some 'firs level
calls...maybe NA products are just better than what they sell i th
UK...but I doubt it..
As said before, it would be very interseting to get a couplr o
printers from different batches and then compare the two sam
models
The clogging is head related and not mechanical, therefor it would b
correct to assume that it could be batch variations..
Marky, if the boot was on the other foot, I would be praising Epso
and not Canon, all I wanted was a printer that darn well works
People ONLY needs to look elsewhere and NOT in this NG to see tha
there are problems after problems with Epson printers
I'm not the only one who's despondent with Epson you can be wel
assured that there are many others
Dav
A
Arthur Entlich
Obviously, there are a heck of a lot of people who buy Epson printers
regularly, because their experiences are quite different from yours, or
even with the "clogging" they feel there are qualities that surpass
other brands.
If your adventure was typical, Epson wouldn't be selling millions of
printers. You are either assuming people who continually buy Epson
printers are foolish (or worse) or you relate your experience as some
type of "standard" for Epson. Neither are accurate.
Although I find the continued repetition of your experience with the two
C62 printers (several times each week, no less) a minor annoyance, I
find your lack of willingness to comprehend the atypical nature of your
experience a bit daft at this point.
Yes, Canon printers do a number of things well. They do not offer a
reasonable alternative to Epson printers in numerous areas, however,
which might explain why so many professional artists and photographers
continue to use Epson printers over Canon.
And yes, many of us also fully comprehend that Epson uses its monopoly
in those areas to take advantage in a number of their business
practices. We aren't ignorant or unaware of these issues, but in spite
of that, often with our lower lip bitten, we STILL buy Epson printers
because they supply options not otherwise available in other printer models.
I can't make things much clearer.
Art
Davy wrote:
regularly, because their experiences are quite different from yours, or
even with the "clogging" they feel there are qualities that surpass
other brands.
If your adventure was typical, Epson wouldn't be selling millions of
printers. You are either assuming people who continually buy Epson
printers are foolish (or worse) or you relate your experience as some
type of "standard" for Epson. Neither are accurate.
Although I find the continued repetition of your experience with the two
C62 printers (several times each week, no less) a minor annoyance, I
find your lack of willingness to comprehend the atypical nature of your
experience a bit daft at this point.
Yes, Canon printers do a number of things well. They do not offer a
reasonable alternative to Epson printers in numerous areas, however,
which might explain why so many professional artists and photographers
continue to use Epson printers over Canon.
And yes, many of us also fully comprehend that Epson uses its monopoly
in those areas to take advantage in a number of their business
practices. We aren't ignorant or unaware of these issues, but in spite
of that, often with our lower lip bitten, we STILL buy Epson printers
because they supply options not otherwise available in other printer models.
I can't make things much clearer.
Art
Davy wrote:
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Davy
Arthur Entlichwrote:
quote="Arthur Entlich"]Obviously, there are a heck of a lot of people
who buy Epson printers
Yes I agree, and people are still buying Epson even after their
experience of clogging.
Indeed if my experience was common they would lose sales, but you got
to admit there's a lot of people having problems and a few wouldn't
buy Epson again.
Really, does anyone after my experience with them expect me to go out
and buy another Epson - sorry, not me.
No problem at all with the finished product if the printer is firing
on all cylinders, its the reliability of them clogging thats the
problem., not only the C series the R series as well so I read.
This is exactly why they won't print "This printer will only work with
Epson ink" on the box - call that monopoly... I call it devious.
If people want to get away from clogging they really need to try
alternative printers and Canon is a good start..
Davy
quote="Arthur Entlich"]Obviously, there are a heck of a lot of people
who buy Epson printers
regularly, because their experiences are quite different from yours, or
even with the "clogging" they feel there are qualities that surpass
other brands.
Yes I agree, and people are still buying Epson even after their
experience of clogging.
If your adventure was typical, Epson wouldn't be selling millions of
printers. You are either assuming people who continually buy Epson
printers are foolish (or worse) or you relate your experience as some
type of "standard" for Epson. Neither are accurate.
Indeed if my experience was common they would lose sales, but you got
to admit there's a lot of people having problems and a few wouldn't
buy Epson again.
Really, does anyone after my experience with them expect me to go out
and buy another Epson - sorry, not me.
Yes, Canon printers do a number of things well. They do not offer a
reasonable alternative to Epson printers in numerous areas, however,
which might explain why so many professional artists and photographers
continue to use Epson printers over Canon.
No problem at all with the finished product if the printer is firing
on all cylinders, its the reliability of them clogging thats the
problem., not only the C series the R series as well so I read.
And yes, many of us also fully comprehend that Epson uses its monopoly
in those areas to take advantage in a number of their business
practices. We aren't ignorant or unaware of these issues, but in spite
of that, often with our lower lip bitten, we STILL buy Epson printers
because they supply options not otherwise available in other printer models.
This is exactly why they won't print "This printer will only work with
Epson ink" on the box - call that monopoly... I call it devious.
If people want to get away from clogging they really need to try
alternative printers and Canon is a good start..
Davy
M
measekite
I WENT TO THE STORE TO BUY AN EPSON. AFTER TALKING WITH BOTH THE CANON
REP AND THE EPSON REP AT THE STORE I WAS CONVINCED TO BUY THE CANON AND
AM GLAD I DID. EVEN THE EPSON REP DID ADMIT THAT THE EPSON DOES HAVE A
GREATER TENDENCY TO CLOG OVER THE CANON AND BOTH ADMITTED THAT THE HP
WITH THE INTEGRATED PRINTHEAD HAD THE LEAST TENDANCY TO CLOG.
REP AND THE EPSON REP AT THE STORE I WAS CONVINCED TO BUY THE CANON AND
AM GLAD I DID. EVEN THE EPSON REP DID ADMIT THAT THE EPSON DOES HAVE A
GREATER TENDENCY TO CLOG OVER THE CANON AND BOTH ADMITTED THAT THE HP
WITH THE INTEGRATED PRINTHEAD HAD THE LEAST TENDANCY TO CLOG.
quote="Arthur Entlich"]Obviously, there are a heck of a lot of peopleArthur Entlichwrote:
who buy Epson printers
regularly, because their experiences are quite different from yours,
or
even with the "clogging" they feel there are qualities that surpass
other brands.
Yes I agree, and people are still buying Epson even after their
experience of clogging.
If your adventure was typical, Epson wouldn't be selling millions of
printers. You are either assuming people who continually buy Epson
printers are foolish (or worse) or you relate your experience as
some
type of "standard" for Epson. Neither are accurate.
Indeed if my experience was common they would lose sales, but you got
to admit there's a lot of people having problems and a few wouldn't
buy Epson again.
Really, does anyone after my experience with them expect me to go out
and buy another Epson - sorry, not me.
Yes, Canon printers do a number of things well. They do not offer a
reasonable alternative to Epson printers in numerous areas, however,
which might explain why so many professional artists and
photographers
continue to use Epson printers over Canon.
No problem at all with the finished product if the printer is firing
on all cylinders, its the reliability of them clogging thats the
problem., not only the C series the R series as well so I read.
models.And yes, many of us also fully comprehend that Epson uses its
monopoly
in those areas to take advantage in a number of their business
practices. We aren't ignorant or unaware of these issues, but in
spite
of that, often with our lower lip bitten, we STILL buy Epson
printers
because they supply options not otherwise available in other printer
This is exactly why they won't print "This printer will only work with
Epson ink" on the box - call that monopoly... I call it devious.
If people want to get away from clogging they really need to try
alternative printers and Canon is a good start..
Davy
M
measekite
Arthur said:Obviously, there are a heck of a lot of people who buy Epson printers
regularly, because their experiences are quite different from yours,
or even with the "clogging" they feel there are qualities that surpass
other brands.
If your adventure was typical, Epson wouldn't be selling millions of
printers. You are either assuming people who continually buy Epson
printers are foolish (or worse) or you relate your experience as some
type of "standard" for Epson. Neither are accurate.
Although I find the continued repetition of your experience with the
two C62 printers (several times each week, no less) a minor annoyance,
I find your lack of willingness to comprehend the atypical nature of
your experience a bit daft at this point.
IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DYE INK BASED PRINTERS THEN WHAT YOU SAY HAS NO
MEANING. DYE AND PIGMENT BASED PRINTERS OFFER TWO SEPRATE AND
INCOMPARABLE TECHNOLOGIES.
Yes, Canon printers do a number of things well. They do not offer a
reasonable alternative to Epson printers in numerous areas, however,
which might explain why so many professional artists and photographers
continue to use Epson printers over Canon.
And yes, many of us also fully comprehend that Epson uses its monopoly
in those areas to take advantage in a number of their business practices.
THEY ALL DO
A
Arthur Entlich
No, I do not blame you for not buying another Epson printer. What I do
"blame you" for is that you imply via your continual, at least once a
week and often moreso, announcement about your two C-62 printers, as if
they did represent normality.
Not everyone has clogging issues with Epson printers, and even many who
do, find a cleaning cycle is all it takes to rectify. The problems you
call clogging on your printers after 2 or four days may not have been
clogging either but rather air pockets in the cartridges.
When I spoke of Epson's "monopoly" what I meant is that Epson right now
pretty much "owns" the pigment ink market in OEM consumer printers.
There are 3rd party pigment colorant inks which may or may not work as
well or better than Epson's own. I'm guessing millions of Epson pigment
ink prints are produced and sold each year allowing for that artist
market to thrive. For those artists, the occasional clog is well worth
the alternative of printers that do not supply the color stability they
need.
Art
"blame you" for is that you imply via your continual, at least once a
week and often moreso, announcement about your two C-62 printers, as if
they did represent normality.
Not everyone has clogging issues with Epson printers, and even many who
do, find a cleaning cycle is all it takes to rectify. The problems you
call clogging on your printers after 2 or four days may not have been
clogging either but rather air pockets in the cartridges.
When I spoke of Epson's "monopoly" what I meant is that Epson right now
pretty much "owns" the pigment ink market in OEM consumer printers.
There are 3rd party pigment colorant inks which may or may not work as
well or better than Epson's own. I'm guessing millions of Epson pigment
ink prints are produced and sold each year allowing for that artist
market to thrive. For those artists, the occasional clog is well worth
the alternative of printers that do not supply the color stability they
need.
Art
Arthur Entlichwrote:
quote="Arthur Entlich"]Obviously, there are a heck of a lot of people
who buy Epson printers
regularly, because their experiences are quite different from yours,
or
even with the "clogging" they feel there are qualities that surpass
other brands.
Yes I agree, and people are still buying Epson even after their
experience of clogging.
If your adventure was typical, Epson wouldn't be selling millions of
printers. You are either assuming people who continually buy Epson
printers are foolish (or worse) or you relate your experience as
some
type of "standard" for Epson. Neither are accurate.
Indeed if my experience was common they would lose sales, but you got
to admit there's a lot of people having problems and a few wouldn't
buy Epson again.
Really, does anyone after my experience with them expect me to go out
and buy another Epson - sorry, not me.
Yes, Canon printers do a number of things well. They do not offer a
reasonable alternative to Epson printers in numerous areas, however,
which might explain why so many professional artists and
photographers
continue to use Epson printers over Canon.
No problem at all with the finished product if the printer is firing
on all cylinders, its the reliability of them clogging thats the
problem., not only the C series the R series as well so I read.
And yes, many of us also fully comprehend that Epson uses its
monopoly
in those areas to take advantage in a number of their business
practices. We aren't ignorant or unaware of these issues, but in
spite
of that, often with our lower lip bitten, we STILL buy Epson
printers
because they supply options not otherwise available in other printer
models.
This is exactly why they won't print "This printer will only work with
Epson ink" on the box - call that monopoly... I call it devious.
If people want to get away from clogging they really need to try
alternative printers and Canon is a good start..
Davy
M
measekite
Arthur said:No, I do not blame you for not buying another Epson printer. What I
do "blame you" for is that you imply via your continual, at least once
a week and often moreso, announcement about your two C-62 printers, as
if they did represent normality.
IT IS A FREE COUNTRY. WE BLAME YOU FOR NOT POSTING YOU STUPID MANUAL SO
WE DO NOT HAVE TO HEAR ABOUT IT ONCE A WEEK. IF THERE WAS NO
AFTERMARKET INK AND EPSON MADE REMOVEABLE REPLACEABLE NOZZLES THEN NO
ONE WOULD NEED YOUR MANUAL. THEN YOU WILL BE BORED.
Not everyone has clogging issues with Epson printers,
THAT IS CORRECT. IT IS MOSTLY AFTERMARKET USERS AND LIGHT PRINTER USERS
and even many who do, find a cleaning cycle is all it takes to rectify.
DRINK THE INK. THAT IS WHY I BOUGHT A CANON
The problems you call clogging on your printers after 2 or four days
may not have been clogging either but rather air pockets in the
cartridges.
When I spoke of Epson's "monopoly" what I meant is that Epson right
now pretty much "owns" the pigment ink market
THAT IS BECAUSE DYE INK IS BRIGHTER AND SNAPIER AND MORE SUITABLE FOR
THE GENERAL PUBLIC
in OEM consumer printers. There are 3rd party pigment colorant inks
which may or
may not work as well or better than Epson's own.
THAT IS A FACT
I'm guessing millions of Epson pigment ink prints are produced and
sold each year allowing for that artist market to thrive. For those
artists, the occasional clog is well worth the alternative of printers
that do not supply the color stability they need.
THAT IS NOT PROVEN YET. AND THE DYE INKS KEEP GETTING BETTER
Art
Arthur Entlichwrote:
quote="Arthur Entlich"]Obviously, there are a heck of a lot of people
who buy Epson printers
regularly, because their experiences are quite different from yours,
or
even with the "clogging" they feel there are qualities that surpass
other brands.
Yes I agree, and people are still buying Epson even after their
experience of clogging.
If your adventure was typical, Epson wouldn't be selling millions of
printers. You are either assuming people who continually buy Epson
printers are foolish (or worse) or you relate your experience as
some
type of "standard" for Epson. Neither are accurate.
Indeed if my experience was common they would lose sales, but you got
to admit there's a lot of people having problems and a few wouldn't
buy Epson again.
Really, does anyone after my experience with them expect me to go out
and buy another Epson - sorry, not me.
Yes, Canon printers do a number of things well. They do not offer a
reasonable alternative to Epson printers in numerous areas, however,
which might explain why so many professional artists and
photographers
continue to use Epson printers over Canon.
No problem at all with the finished product if the printer is firing
on all cylinders, its the reliability of them clogging thats the
problem., not only the C series the R series as well so I read.
And yes, many of us also fully comprehend that Epson uses its
monopoly
in those areas to take advantage in a number of their business
practices. We aren't ignorant or unaware of these issues, but in
spite
of that, often with our lower lip bitten, we STILL buy Epson
printers
because they supply options not otherwise available in other printer
models.
This is exactly why they won't print "This printer will only work with
Epson ink" on the box - call that monopoly... I call it devious.
If people want to get away from clogging they really need to try
alternative printers and Canon is a good start..
Davy
D
Davy
Art you got to admit there is something drastically wrong when a
printer clogs on the 2nd day and again after the replacement clogs on
the 4th day - now that just ain't normal.
As said before I would have understood if non OEM ink was used, Epson
ink are not the cheapest ink on the market as you are aware and they
are certainly not economical to run, is this a marketing ploy..?
Davy
printer clogs on the 2nd day and again after the replacement clogs on
the 4th day - now that just ain't normal.
As said before I would have understood if non OEM ink was used, Epson
ink are not the cheapest ink on the market as you are aware and they
are certainly not economical to run, is this a marketing ploy..?
Davy
M
measekite
I HAVE HEARD THIS MANY TIMES FROM YOU AND DO AGREE THAT A CANON IS ADavy said:Art you got to admit there is something drastically wrong when a
printer clogs on the 2nd day and again after the replacement clogs on
the 4th day - now that just ain't normal.
SUPERIOR PRINTER. BUT IT JUST MAY BE THAT THE C MODELS ARE CRAP. WHILE
I PREFER THE CANON IP4000 OVER THE EPSON R300 BECAUSE I DO NOT LIKE
PERMANANT HEADS EVEN THOUGH THE CANON HEAD IS EXCONIMALLY NOT WORTH
CHANING, AND THE CANON PRINT QUALITY IS BETTER EXCEPT FOR DRAFT, AND THE
CANON IS SUBSTANTIALLY FASTER, AND THE CANON USES LESS INK AND FEWER
CLEANI9NG CYCLES, I STILL THINK THE EPSON IS AN OK PRINTER AND FOR THOSE
WHO CANNOT LIVE WITH DIRECT CD PRINTING IT MAY BE AN OK MORE EXPENSIVE
CHOICE.
THEN IS WOULD NOT HAVE LASTED 2 DAYSAs said before I would have understood if non OEM ink was used,
I THINK HE HAS SOME KIND OF AN AFFILIATION WITH EPSON.Epson
ink are not the cheapest ink on the market as you are aware and they
are certainly not economical to run, is this a marketing ploy..?
D
Davy
measekitewrote
quote="measekite
Ah..... its top secret, cos he'll flog it to Epson for a sum
Dav
quote="measekite
IT IS A FREE COUNTRY. WE BLAME YOU FOR NOT POSTING YOU STUPI MANUAL SO
WE DO NOT HAVE TO HEAR ABOUT IT ONCE A WEEK. IF THERE WAS NO
AFTERMARKET INK AND EPSON MADE REMOVEABLE REPLACEABLE NOZZLES THE NO
ONE WOULD NEED YOUR MANUAL. THEN YOU WILL BE BORED
Ah..... its top secret, cos he'll flog it to Epson for a sum
Dav
A
Arthur Entlich
As I stated, it may not have been a clog at all, but another cause. But
it could have also been a clog as a result of a bad manufacturing run
that had the cleaning station misaligned with the head also.
I am not denying you may have gotten either bad printers or bad
cartridges, and I found the service your got from the Epson approved
service depot unacceptable also. But, you overstate your case. It
hardly means all Epsons are unreliable, which they clearly are not.
I fully understand your not wishing to buy another Epson printer, but
the way you present your experience is vindictive.
I spend a lot of time speaking to people in person and trying to
convince them to consider Canon printers for their needs, who do not
want to even look at a Canon because of their prior experience with the
older BJ series printers. I tell them that they have been redesigned
and are much more reliable, and if print permanence is not a major
concern,. that Canon today provides a reasonable alternative in terms of
print quality, speed, reliability refillability/cost. Many are very
reticent to consider Canon again, because Canon products were truly
disasters prior to the 'i' series models. That's why Canon spent
millions redesigning them.
Epson has a strong showing in a specific market and the reasons are as I
have stated previously.
I think a person does a disservice when someone is asking for a printer
with archival inks to point them to a Canon, because Canon printers do
not have archival inks, although their newer Chromelife inks are an
improvement. For some people a clog here and there is a small price to
pay for a print which has the security of fade resistance.
Art
it could have also been a clog as a result of a bad manufacturing run
that had the cleaning station misaligned with the head also.
I am not denying you may have gotten either bad printers or bad
cartridges, and I found the service your got from the Epson approved
service depot unacceptable also. But, you overstate your case. It
hardly means all Epsons are unreliable, which they clearly are not.
I fully understand your not wishing to buy another Epson printer, but
the way you present your experience is vindictive.
I spend a lot of time speaking to people in person and trying to
convince them to consider Canon printers for their needs, who do not
want to even look at a Canon because of their prior experience with the
older BJ series printers. I tell them that they have been redesigned
and are much more reliable, and if print permanence is not a major
concern,. that Canon today provides a reasonable alternative in terms of
print quality, speed, reliability refillability/cost. Many are very
reticent to consider Canon again, because Canon products were truly
disasters prior to the 'i' series models. That's why Canon spent
millions redesigning them.
Epson has a strong showing in a specific market and the reasons are as I
have stated previously.
I think a person does a disservice when someone is asking for a printer
with archival inks to point them to a Canon, because Canon printers do
not have archival inks, although their newer Chromelife inks are an
improvement. For some people a clog here and there is a small price to
pay for a print which has the security of fade resistance.
Art
D
Davy
Arthur Entlichwrote:
quote="Arthur Entlich"]As I stated, it may not have been a clog at
all, but another cause. But
I don't wanna persue the might have beens, but do think it was head
batch related, if that was the case then there are problems with head
productions as I had two of em, I remember looking and looking at the
docking area, as you are aware I had the manuals I sent you so I
wasn't working 'blind' on the machine.
As a side step just have a look here Art and see what you think -:
http://www.epson.co.jp/e/technology/sankei_5.htm
heres a snippet
this problem. This is caused by air bubbles entering the ink and
causing the print head to "fire blanks." How do air bubbles enter the
ink? One way is when the printer continues to print after the
cartridge has run out of ink.
More than missing dot's in them samples I'd sent...
As I said, see what you think, it was just something I came across the
other night.
Davy
quote="Arthur Entlich"]As I stated, it may not have been a clog at
all, but another cause. But
it could have also been a clog as a result of a bad manufacturing run
that had the cleaning station misaligned with the head also.
I don't wanna persue the might have beens, but do think it was head
batch related, if that was the case then there are problems with head
productions as I had two of em, I remember looking and looking at the
docking area, as you are aware I had the manuals I sent you so I
wasn't working 'blind' on the machine.
As a side step just have a look here Art and see what you think -:
http://www.epson.co.jp/e/technology/sankei_5.htm
heres a snippet
printout. That is called missing dots. Inkjet printers sometimes haveAir Bubbles Are a Major Enemy of the Micro Piezo Print Head
- How Missing Dots Occur -
You may occasionally find that some colors are missing from your
this problem. This is caused by air bubbles entering the ink and
causing the print head to "fire blanks." How do air bubbles enter the
ink? One way is when the printer continues to print after the
cartridge has run out of ink.
More than missing dot's in them samples I'd sent...
As I said, see what you think, it was just something I came across the
other night.
Davy
M
measekite
Arthur said:As I stated, it may not have been a clog at all, but another cause.
I AM SURE IT WAS A CLOG. THE GUY KNOWS WHAT A CLOG IS
But it could have also been a clog as a result of a bad manufacturing
run that had the cleaning station misaligned with the head also.
I am not denying you may have gotten either bad printers or bad
cartridges, and I found the service your got from the Epson approved
service depot unacceptable also. But, you overstate your case.
NOT FOR THOSE MODELS
It hardly means all Epsons are unreliable, which they clearly are not.
MAYBE THOSE MODELS ARE POORLY ENGINEERED
I fully understand your not wishing to buy another Epson printer, but
the way you present your experience is vindictive.
FREEDOM OF SPEECH MAN
I spend a lot of time speaking to people in person and trying to
convince them to consider Canon printers for their needs, who do not
want to even look at a Canon because of their prior experience with
the older BJ series printers. I tell them that they have been
redesigned and are much more reliable, and if print permanence is not
a major concern,. that Canon today provides a reasonable alternative
in terms of print quality, speed, reliability refillability/cost. Many
are very reticent to consider Canon again, because Canon products were
truly disasters prior to the 'i' series models. That's why Canon
spent millions redesigning them.
Epson has a strong showing in a specific market and the reasons are as
I have stated previously.
I think a person does a disservice when someone is asking for a
printer with archival inks to point them to a Canon,
MAYBE THE NEWER INKS DO NOT FADE LIKEYOU THINK
M
measekite
KOOLDavy said:MANUAL SO
Ah..... its top secret, cos he'll flog it to Epson for a sum.
Davy
A
Arthur Entlich
I actually read the full set of documents you refer to at the Epson
Corporate Japanese site. I gained a bit of new information, mainly
about why they added the red and blue in the ultrachrome set in the R800
and R1800 printers. although I'm not sure I totally believe their
explanation.
Most of this is corporate propaganda, IMHO.
The thing about the air bubbles is what I was implying, sometimes air
bubbles can cause pressure locks in the heads, leading to intermittent
print losses that appear to some as "clogs".
Art
Corporate Japanese site. I gained a bit of new information, mainly
about why they added the red and blue in the ultrachrome set in the R800
and R1800 printers. although I'm not sure I totally believe their
explanation.
Most of this is corporate propaganda, IMHO.
The thing about the air bubbles is what I was implying, sometimes air
bubbles can cause pressure locks in the heads, leading to intermittent
print losses that appear to some as "clogs".
Art
Arthur Entlichwrote:
quote="Arthur Entlich"]As I stated, it may not have been a clog at
all, but another cause. But
it could have also been a clog as a result of a bad manufacturing
run
that had the cleaning station misaligned with the head also.
I don't wanna persue the might have beens, but do think it was head
batch related, if that was the case then there are problems with head
productions as I had two of em, I remember looking and looking at the
docking area, as you are aware I had the manuals I sent you so I
wasn't working 'blind' on the machine.
As a side step just have a look here Art and see what you think -:
http://www.epson.co.jp/e/technology/sankei_5.htm
heres a snippet
Air Bubbles Are a Major Enemy of the Micro Piezo Print Head
- How Missing Dots Occur -
You may occasionally find that some colors are missing from your
printout. That is called missing dots. Inkjet printers sometimes have
this problem. This is caused by air bubbles entering the ink and
causing the print head to "fire blanks." How do air bubbles enter the
ink? One way is when the printer continues to print after the
cartridge has run out of ink.
More than missing dot's in them samples I'd sent...
As I said, see what you think, it was just something I came across the
other night.
Davy
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Davy
Well, all I can say is that they are the manufacturers so one would
expect to know what they are saying.
A great pity if what you say is true, like the politicians no one
seems to be able to tell the truth these days, or should we say
economical with the truth just to protect their own interest, would
these be Ultrachrome white fibs..?
Re air bubbles, a little different from that letter I'd sent, who am I
to argue, as you know I can only assume they are telling the truth,
one can't say otherwise but only take their word.
Davy
expect to know what they are saying.
A great pity if what you say is true, like the politicians no one
seems to be able to tell the truth these days, or should we say
economical with the truth just to protect their own interest, would
these be Ultrachrome white fibs..?
Re air bubbles, a little different from that letter I'd sent, who am I
to argue, as you know I can only assume they are telling the truth,
one can't say otherwise but only take their word.
Davy
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Marky
Davy said:As said before, it would be very interseting to get a couplr of
printers from different batches and then compare the two same
models.
The clogging is head related and not mechanical, therefor it would be
correct to assume that it could be batch variations...
Marky, if the boot was on the other foot, I would be praising Epson
and not Canon, all I wanted was a printer that darn well works.
People ONLY needs to look elsewhere and NOT in this NG to see that
there are problems after problems with Epson printers.
I'm not the only one who's despondent with Epson you can be well
assured that there are many others.
Davy
Sorry, I haven't been around for a while...just finished a move and the
computer was one of the last things to get setup...
I had typed a reply to this but decided that the issue is a non-issue and
will just have to let this work itself out...
M
Marky
Arthur Entlich said:Obviously, there are a heck of a lot of people who buy Epson printers
regularly, because their experiences are quite different from yours, or
even with the "clogging" they feel there are qualities that surpass
other brands.
If your adventure was typical, Epson wouldn't be selling millions of
printers. You are either assuming people who continually buy Epson
printers are foolish (or worse) or you relate your experience as some
type of "standard" for Epson. Neither are accurate.
Although I find the continued repetition of your experience with the two
C62 printers (several times each week, no less) a minor annoyance, I
find your lack of willingness to comprehend the atypical nature of your
experience a bit daft at this point.
Yes, Canon printers do a number of things well. They do not offer a
reasonable alternative to Epson printers in numerous areas, however,
which might explain why so many professional artists and photographers
continue to use Epson printers over Canon.
And yes, many of us also fully comprehend that Epson uses its monopoly
in those areas to take advantage in a number of their business
practices. We aren't ignorant or unaware of these issues, but in spite
of that, often with our lower lip bitten, we STILL buy Epson printers
because they supply options not otherwise available in other printer models.
I can't make things much clearer.
Art
I don't think it could be made any clearer...thanks!