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measekite
OH YEAH LETS GROW BEARDS AND NOT SUPPORT GILLETTE
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measekite
Arthur said:OK, you asked.
I want an inkjet printer that doesn't intentionally thwart refilling
using bulk inks via chips and cartridges designed not to be refilled,
that doesn't use waste ink pads that cannot easily be replaced by the
owner without dismantling the whole machine, that doesn't use
intentional methods to waste ink in order to keep it functioning, and
that doesn't charge the same for watered down inks as regular full
loaded inks.
WE NEED A PRINTER THAT WHEN IT RECONIZING AFTERMARKET INK THAT IS NOT
100% EXACTLY THE SAME FORMULATION THE PRINTER WAS DESIGNED TO USE IT
WOULD JUST STOP PRINTING TOTALLY.. ONLY A 100% MATCH WOULD WORK. THEN
THERE WOULD NOT BE THE TYPE OF PROBLEMS YOU READ ABOUT HERE.
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measekite
Arthur said:Or how about> Arthur had helped over 10,000 people in the last 3 years
to repair their printers
WOW 10,000 AFTERMARKET INK PROBLEMS. I KNEW IT
G
Gary Tait
rafe b <rafebATspeakeasy.net> wrote in
That is because of their larger market penetration, and their use of
tanks vs head-on-cart.
Mostly, yes, because of patented head-on-cart technology.
AFAIK, the only suit I've heard the specific details of was for
aftermarket chips that claimed the were Epson brand. Cartridge patents
might have been violated also, but I don't think anybody got sued about
specific ink formulations.
3. Compared to HP or Canon, the third-
party market for ink and media is huge.
That is because of their larger market penetration, and their use of
tanks vs head-on-cart.
4. There is (AFAIK) no 3rd-party ink
cartridge for HP that isn't made from a
recycled HP cartridge.
Mostly, yes, because of patented head-on-cart technology.
Just out of curiosity, what lawsuits are
you referring to? The reputable brands
(eg. Lyson, MIS, Mediastreet, WeInk) have
been making 3rd-party inks for Epsons since
day one, and I don't see any hints of these
guys being harassed or shut down.
AFAIK, the only suit I've heard the specific details of was for
aftermarket chips that claimed the were Epson brand. Cartridge patents
might have been violated also, but I don't think anybody got sued about
specific ink formulations.
G
Gary Tait
AFTERMARKET INK
You are taking thinkgs out of context.
G
Gary Tait
DUE TO THE USE OF AFTERMARKET INK.
Not necessarily. It could be to mis-care, even with OEM ink, or even a
head is bad to begin with.
BUT THE COST OF REPLAING THE HEAD IS NOT ECONOMICALLY JUSTIFIABLE
Because, cared for, the lifetime of a piezo head is supposed to be
infinite. Thermal heads are supposed to have a finite life time, hence
their replaceable nature.
Yes, in practice, it is usually cheaper to replace the whole printer,
rather than just the head, with the business model the printer companies
seem to foist on the consumers.
F
Frank
Gary said:@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com:
You are taking thinkgs out of context.
He does that whenever the subject matter is beyond his very limited
comprehension.
Which is most of the time!
Frank
G
Gary Tait
WE NEED A PRINTER THAT WHEN IT RECONIZING AFTERMARKET INK THAT IS NOT
100% EXACTLY THE SAME FORMULATION THE PRINTER WAS DESIGNED TO USE IT
WOULD JUST STOP PRINTING TOTALLY.. ONLY A 100% MATCH WOULD WORK. THEN
THERE WOULD NOT BE THE TYPE OF PROBLEMS YOU READ ABOUT HERE.
Would you pay for such a printer though?
I might be happy if they sold the printer AND the ink for a more realistic
and reasonable price,
G
Gary Tait
WOW 10,000 AFTERMARKET INK PROBLEMS. I KNEW IT
No you don't. You are just assuming that all the problems were caused by
aftermarket ink. I am not saying if/how much was caus by after market,
becasue I don't know, and neither do you.
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measekite
YOU DO NOT KNOW VERY MUCH EITHER. I COUNTED THEM.Gary said:@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com:
No you don't. You are just assuming that all the problems were caused by
aftermarket ink. I am not saying if/how much was caus by after market,
becasue I don't know, and neither do you.
M
measekite
RIGHT NOW I DO NOT GIVE A CRAP ABOUT AFTERMARKET CLOGGIONG INK SO WHYGary said:@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com:
Would you pay for such a printer though?
SHOULD I
M
measekite
NOPEGary said:@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com:
You are taking thinkgs out of context.
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whatcartridge.com
Newsgroup posters may be interested in the following
http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200601310457.html
Although it seems to apply only in Japan, it may spread, and it is
worrying that something as simple as refilling a Canon ink tank can be
illegal. I can see maybe if this was making compatible cartridges
illegal they may have cause, but refilling??
James Sodor
www.whatcartidge.com
http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200601310457.html
Although it seems to apply only in Japan, it may spread, and it is
worrying that something as simple as refilling a Canon ink tank can be
illegal. I can see maybe if this was making compatible cartridges
illegal they may have cause, but refilling??
James Sodor
www.whatcartidge.com
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measekite
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE A SPAMMERwhatcartridge.com said:Newsgroup posters may be interested in the following
http://www.asahi.com/english/Herald-asahi/TKY200601310457.html
Although it seems to apply only in Japan, it may spread, and it is
worrying that something as simple as refilling a Canon ink tank can be
illegal. I can see maybe if this was making compatible cartridges
illegal they may have cause, but refilling??
J
Jan Alter
Painfully disheartening to read. I would have thought there would be great
efforts in Japan to do as much recycling as possible for the size of the
country. Either big business can still buy the court system or there is
still not enough interest by the public to utilize resources in a better
way. It's clearly the wrong call.
efforts in Japan to do as much recycling as possible for the size of the
country. Either big business can still buy the court system or there is
still not enough interest by the public to utilize resources in a better
way. It's clearly the wrong call.
A
Arthur Entlich
Simply put, inkjet printers tend to clog, and particularly those using
pigment ink formulations. I would say close to 25% of the people who
contact me indicate they have only used OEM inks. Another perhaps 15%
have questions and issues that have nothing directly to do with the head
or the inks (other mechanical problems or general questions, not
relating to ink delivery).
Even though I do not even mention Canon in my public assistance
communications, I get a lot of Canon users asking me for assistance, as
well.
Art
pigment ink formulations. I would say close to 25% of the people who
contact me indicate they have only used OEM inks. Another perhaps 15%
have questions and issues that have nothing directly to do with the head
or the inks (other mechanical problems or general questions, not
relating to ink delivery).
Even though I do not even mention Canon in my public assistance
communications, I get a lot of Canon users asking me for assistance, as
well.
Art
A
Arthur Entlich
The inkjet companies are becoming quite brazen in their "protectionist"
approaches lately... I suspect this will backfire. It is
anti-environmental, for one thing, and the build up of negative PR will
eventually has some consequences. It may even allow for another company
to come in and start offering inkjet printers using a different business
model, charging a bit more for the printer and less for the ink cartridges.
Art
approaches lately... I suspect this will backfire. It is
anti-environmental, for one thing, and the build up of negative PR will
eventually has some consequences. It may even allow for another company
to come in and start offering inkjet printers using a different business
model, charging a bit more for the printer and less for the ink cartridges.
Art
M
measekite
Arthur said:The inkjet companies are becoming quite brazen in their
"protectionist" approaches lately... I suspect this will backfire.
I DO NOT THINK SO
It is anti-environmental, for one thing, and the build up of negative PR
ONLY WITH THE TINKER TONKERS
will eventually has some consequences. It may even allow for another
company to come in and start offering inkjet printers using a
different business model, charging a bit more for the printer and less
for the ink cartridges.
Art
whatcartridge.com
THE SPAMMER
M
measekite
Arthur said:Simply put, inkjet printers tend to clog,
MORE SO WHEN USING AFTERMARKET INK
and particularly those using pigment ink formulations. I would say
close to 25% of the people who contact me indicate they have only used
OEM inks.
PRETTY HARD TO BELIEVE BUT EVEN IF TRUE THAT MEANS THE VAST MAJORITY
USING AFTERMARKKET INK. THAT MEANS THAT AFTERMAKET INK BY AT LEAST 3 TO
1 WILL CLOG YOUR PRINTER.
M
measekite
THE JAPANSESE GOVERNMENT SUPPORTS THE BIG BUSINESSESJan said:Painfully disheartening to read. I would have thought there would be great
efforts in Japan to do as much recycling as possible for the size of the
country. Either big business can still buy the court system or there is
still not enough interest by the public to utilize resources in a better
way. It's clearly the wrong call.