Dynamically set varibable value?

[Cor]

Hi Tom,

Thanks for your quickly reply!
-----------------------------------
Your answer was,

Let me see if I understand your question correctly. We may not actually be
writing in English because all English words were derived from words that
were not originally English? As a result people who speak German, French,
etc. aren't actually speaking those languages because naturally they were
similarly derived from earlier languages. Is that right?

Your conclusion I never told, what I tried to explain was that because there
could be another meaning of the word "Service" in another language than
"Service" in the English language, that was no reason to take the meaning in
the English language as the meaning of the word "Service".

That word was placed between quotes, so there should not been assumed
automatically the meaning of the word as it is in English.

If there had not been quotes, than would it had in this newsgroup the
English meaning,

It is as you said a derived word in many languages. However, not all
directly from French, as example in Dutch we use the deriving from French
for the dinner set and the deriving from English and French for the word we
now are talking about. Computer service and service in a restaurant.

If you have any concern on this issue, please post here.

Best regards,

Cor

 

[Tom Leylan]

Thanks for sharing with the community

Let me see if I understand your question correctly. Given that there is no
"official" department of languages in the world and that anybody anywhere
can invent a language and in that language the word "service" could mean
anything... that we should conclude that simply writing "Did I answer your
question" becomes a service just as posting "you dunce" or swearing at
people could be intepreted as a "service" if we just say so? Does it have
to pass any other test or are all replies "services"?

If you have any concern on this issue, please post here.

And just so nobody mistakenly assumes I'm not into services I offer the
official "service phrase"... did I answer your question?

Tom

BTW "OT" should not be assumed to stand for "off topic" it is somebody's
name (you even pointed this out.) I propose you should write the words out
and preface them with [ISO ENGLISH] so we will know which dictionary to use
for the definition of "off" and "topic" ... and a date would help in case
the definitions get changed along the way.

 

[Cor]

Hi Tom,

I think we have showed enough what could happen if people would seriously
answer every message there came.

But I find that it looks if Peter is doing always the best he can, so maybe
we do him no good for him doing this.

) For me was the subject I took of course only fun

So EOT if you do not mind.

Cor

 

[Tom Leylan]

Maybe he gets paid for his work not for each message? Apart from this, if I
were an MVP and don't get paid, maybe I'd also ask because the support
quality also decides whether one becomes/stays an MVP or not.

Maybe he gets penalized $3.50 each time he doesn't include the words "Did I
answer your question"?
Maybe he isn't sending those messages and it's caused by a virus in his
computer.

No.

Okay then you post a maybe and then I'll post a maybe... nobody really
cares what the facts are when we have so many "maybe's" to consider.

Yes, people who's job it is to help their customers should post it. It probably
belongs to the support policies because it makes the customers feel and show
them that the support deparment is taken care of them.

Ah... no longer limited to "maybe" we try "probably."

It probably does _not_ belong to the support policies. But I'll bite, what
makes you believe it is part of their support policy? Other than you've
just decided maybe and probably on that subject suddenly?

So you are basically saying that all the other MSFT posters we had broke
company policy? Is that maybe or probably? Are you about to say "with
certainty" next?

[See: Can we at least agree that you are just picking things out of the
air?]

Armin, level with me you don't have the faintest idea what MS support
policies are with regard to this newsgroup? Am I right? You are guessing,
understand that doesn't make it a fact, that doesn't make it probable. It
is at best "possible" but then so is every other random guess by anybody
else.

And you are
saying the other people from MSFT didn't follow the rules and didn't
offer good service since they didn't?

Why do you think other people should follow company internal rules?

[ ] you know the manufacturer of VB.NET
[ ] you know the difference between the manufacturer offering services and
other people

Armin why are you doing this? Look at the line you quoted I wrote "other
people from MSFT" and there have been other MS employee's posting here in
the past.

If you simply leave your customers alone, it's up to you. If I send support
answers to my customers and don't get a response, I'll send a follow message
to ask if it helped. Yes, I call this good service.

I pick up the telephone when I deal with my customers. I call this good
service.

It is a question the support deparment is working on. As long as they don't
know whether the problem has been solved, the issue is still "open".

The issue is still open. Got it... they plan to review the situation in a
few weeks and if the guy still can't "dynamically set varibable value" Bill
Gates will phone him.

You're a really funny guy: People sometimes complain about the lack of
support, and if the support takes care of the customers you start to
complain. Doesn't make sense to me.

When did I complain? So if he posts "I didn't hear from you yet, did I
answer your question?" he would be doing even a better job? If he did it 5
times a day it would be even better service?

What part of the word "service" don't you understand?

Why are you arguing this? Almost nobody has responded "Yes it did" to the
question which means they are all (according to your latest "maybe") still
on the "unresolved issues" list.

Frankly you're the funny guy... I mention something reasonable to Peter and
you create a giant list of possibilities including how MS keeps an list of
unresolved issues on this newsgroup That's hilarious.

I already said all your hypothetical guesswork is right what more do you
want?

 

[Tom Leylan]

Cor,

Bottom line is that people have a limited amount of time. If 10% of that
time is spent writing "Did my answer help" then clearly that time isn't
spent answering any of the new questions. Is that the goal? And I did not
complain. I suggested that Peter consider that nobody responds to the
question. I didn't say he "couldn't" or "shouldn't" I wrote "it doesn't
much matter."

Let's imagine that everybody starts quoting the entire thread in each of
their responses. I'll bet you, Armin or Herfried would suggest "that
doesn't really help." Would you be curtailing his right of free speech? Or
would you believe you were making a useful suggestion?

 

[ToddT]

let it die...

Thanks for sharing with the community

Let me see if I understand your question correctly. Given that there is no
"official" department of languages in the world and that anybody anywhere
can invent a language and in that language the word "service" could mean
anything... that we should conclude that simply writing "Did I answer your
question" becomes a service just as posting "you dunce" or swearing at
people could be intepreted as a "service" if we just say so? Does it have
to pass any other test or are all replies "services"?

If you have any concern on this issue, please post here.

And just so nobody mistakenly assumes I'm not into services I offer the
official "service phrase"... did I answer your question?

Tom

BTW "OT" should not be assumed to stand for "off topic" it is somebody's
name (you even pointed this out.) I propose you should write the words out
and preface them with [ISO ENGLISH] so we will know which dictionary to use
for the definition of "off" and "topic" ... and a date would help in case
the definitions get changed along the way.

Hi Tom,

Thanks for your quickly reply!
-----------------------------------
Your answer was,

Your conclusion I never told, what I tried to explain was that because there
could be another meaning of the word "Service" in another language than
"Service" in the English language, that was no reason to take the meaning in
the English language as the meaning of the word "Service".

That word was placed between quotes, so there should not been assumed
automatically the meaning of the word as it is in English.

If there had not been quotes, than would it had in this newsgroup the
English meaning,

It is as you said a derived word in many languages. However, not all
directly from French, as example in Dutch we use the deriving from French
for the dinner set and the deriving from English and French for the word we
now are talking about. Computer service and service in a restaurant.

If you have any concern on this issue, please post here.

Best regards,

Cor

 

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

Tom,

I'll post "I agree with Herfried" after every message you post... that will
be a "service" right?


Did I answer your question?

First of all, thank you for posting to the community.

Your post helped my to answer my question.

;->

 

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

Tom,

Bottom line is that people have a limited amount of time. If 10% of that
time is spent writing "Did my answer help"

Some newsreaders can do that automatically.

But as Cor suggest, I vote for "EOT" too.

;-)

 

[Armin Zingler]

Maybe he gets penalized $3.50 each time he doesn't include the words
"Did I answer your question"?

You are so realistic.

Maybe he isn't sending those messages and it's caused by a virus in
his computer.

yes yes.... you're seeing colors, don't you? ;-)

Well, in opposite to _these_ reasons, mine make sense - don't you agree?

Ah... no longer limited to "maybe" we try "probably."

It probably does _not_ belong to the support policies. But I'll
bite, what makes you believe it is part of their support policy?

Because it makes sense (using Option Brain On).

So you are basically saying that all the other MSFT posters we had
broke company policy? Is that maybe or probably?

How can I know this without working there?

[See: Can we at least agree that you are just picking things out of
the air?]

Armin, level with me you don't have the faintest idea what MS
support policies are with regard to this newsgroup? Am I right?
Right.

You
are guessing, understand that doesn't make it a fact, that doesn't
make it probable. It is at best "possible" but then so is every
other random guess by anybody else.

Right.

The point is: I tried to give you *possible* reasons why Peter's replies the
way he replies. I don't have to be sure about them not to have the right to
criticize him. Despite you also don't know the reasons, you did criticize
him. I think you should consider the reasons I mentioned and say: Sorry
Peter, I didn't know this.

And you are
saying the other people from MSFT didn't follow the rules and
didn't offer good service since they didn't?

Why do you think other people should follow company internal
rules?

[ ] you know the manufacturer of VB.NET
[ ] you know the difference between the manufacturer offering
services and other people

Armin why are you doing this? Look at the line you quoted I wrote
"other people from MSFT" and there have been other MS employee's
posting here in the past.

Maybe they don't belong to the same support department? How can you know
this?

I pick up the telephone when I deal with my customers. I call this
good service.

No. Choosing the right media depending on the individual case is good
service. Different media -> different (dis)advantages.

But I understand you that you also do contact your customer in this case, no
matter which media. Well, Peter chose replying in this group. Why do you
criticize this? It is the right media for questions posted to this group. Or
do you think he should reply by phone? I don't think so.

The issue is still open. Got it... they plan to review the situation
in a few weeks and if the guy still can't "dynamically set varibable
value" Bill Gates will phone him.

No, not Bill and not by phone, but asking two days later here. This really
happened as you saw. What's so funny in it?

When did I complain?

When you started this discussion. Or let's call it critisism if you like it
more.

So if he posts "I didn't hear from you yet, did
I answer your question?" he would be doing even a better job?
Difference?

If he
did it 5 times a day it would be even better service?

[X] You lost the sense for moderate behavior

I think everyone would agree that this would exceed the normal amount.

What part of the word "service" don't you understand?

What part of the word "service" don't you understand?

Frankly you're the funny guy... I mention something reasonable to
Peter and you create a giant list of possibilities including how MS
keeps an list of unresolved issues on this newsgroup That's
hilarious.

I can only repeat: As long as you don't know the reasons that might be
there, you shouldn't criticize Peter. I tried to give you these possible
reasons.

BTW, Peter (as well as many other people) always tries to give the best
answers as possible.

 

[Tom Leylan]

Well, in opposite to _these_ reasons, mine make sense - don't you agree?

It made sense to claim that man would never set foot on the moon, until of
course he did. You want points for being "closer" to a fact regardless of
whether it is a fact, okay here is 10 points.

Because it makes sense (using Option Brain On).

Your insights into MS support policies are astonishing.

How can I know this without working there?

Use your "Option Brain On" [makes sense] stuff like you did before.

The point is: I tried to give you *possible* reasons why Peter's replies the
way he replies. I don't have to be sure about them not to have the right to
criticize him. Despite you also don't know the reasons, you did criticize
him. I think you should consider the reasons I mentioned and say: Sorry
Peter, I didn't know this.

Possible reasons aren't worth a whole lot. That's why I didn't pretend to
know what they were but offered a suggestion (oh yeah to Peter not to you.)
I think you should consider what I wrote an say "Sorry Tom, I didn't realize
you were being helpful."

Maybe they don't belong to the same support department? How can you know
this?

Use your "Option Brain On" [makes sense] stuff like you did before.

No, not Bill and not by phone, but asking two days later here. This really
happened as you saw. What's so funny in it?

People haven't responded... I pointed out that it doesn't get them off your
imaginary "to do" list.

When you started this discussion. Or let's call it critisism if you like it
more.

Well yes let us try to call it what it was. Like when you post your
opinion... do people call it a "complaint"?

I can only repeat: As long as you don't know the reasons that might be
there, you shouldn't criticize Peter. I tried to give you these possible
reasons.

Armin... I posted a message to Peter. You didn't even try to find out what
the reasons were before you started making reasons up in your mind. If you
had any interest you would have let Peter explain "the facts" rather than
try to convince people your guesses are closer to the facts than no guessing
at all.

Peter is an adult (I believe) and he can reply with "well I like to follow
through" or "I see your point" or any other thing he feels like replying
with. You decided that I didn't understand the "MSFT rules" which you
reasoned must exist.

BTW, Peter (as well as many other people) always tries to give the best
answers as possible.

Do a search and you will find that I applaud more people for their efforts
than you do...

 

[Armin Zingler]

Your insights into MS support policies are astonishing.

I didn't know you work there. How else could you evaluate my insights? Well,
I don't have insights, so you must be wrong.

How can I know this without working there?

Use your "Option Brain On" [makes sense] stuff like you did
before.

Option Brain On will enable you to check whether something make sense, not
whether something is true. Ever tried?

Possible reasons aren't worth a whole lot. That's why I didn't
pretend to know what they were

If you don't know whether they are there, why do you behave like they
weren't?

"You are a murderer. Proof me you are not!". That's what you are doing and
what I really don't like. Do you see the point? Unfortunatelly it seems
I must use these clear words.

but offered a suggestion (oh yeah to
Peter not to you.)

There is no reason to offer anything to Peter.

I think you should consider what I wrote an say
"Sorry Tom, I didn't realize you were being helpful."

If you call criticizing somebody without any reason helpful, you must be
really confused.

Maybe they don't belong to the same support department? How can you
know this?

Use your "Option Brain On" [makes sense] stuff like you did
before.

No Tom, you don't understand this, too: Because I do use this helpful
option, by asking this question I wanted to make you think about it. Ok,
this time in simple words: You (and I) don't know whether they belong to the
same department. Consequently you don't know if that's the reason why "other
MSFT people" brake the rules.

Well yes let us try to call it what it was.

Ok, it was a complaint (as you don't like "criticism").

Like when you post
your opinion... do people call it a "complaint"?

No. Why? Because it is not a complaint.

Armin... I posted a message to Peter. You didn't even try to find
out what the reasons were before you started making reasons up in
your mind.

Right, I didn't. Now I did. Guess why? Maybe caused by your message? But
you've just answered this. So, "grab your own nose".

If you had any interest you would have let Peter explain
"the facts" rather than try to convince people your guesses are
closer to the facts than no guessing at all.

Peter is an adult (I believe) and he can reply with "well I like to
follow through" or "I see your point" or any other thing he feels
like replying with.

Yes, Peter is an adult, but me too (I believe *g*). If you'd behave like an
adult, you wouldn't criticize people that might have reasons to do what they
do. You allege that there are none. That's the problem. For both reasons, I
felt free to "defend" Peter.

You decided that I didn't understand the "MSFT
rules" which you reasoned must exist.

Wrong. You didn't and still don't understand that there might be rules. I
also didn't say they must exist.

Do a search and you will find that I applaud more people for their
efforts than you do...

Do you want to start keeping a careful record of this? I think it would be a
sort of promoting myself over somebody else when judging his/her efforts, so
I very rarely do this. (Means: My boss might "praise" me, but (usually) not
the other way round because it would be presumptuous). But that's my
personal opinion.

 

[Mike]

Wow!!!... I thought you guys were supposed to be out here to help us out
technically not be the "Thread Police". Quite frankly, and feel like I speak
for alot of the community members here latley trying to get technical
assistance. I wish you guys would go away... Do you not have anything better
to do, you morons!!!... Who can we contact at Microsoft to let them know the
type of non-constructive assistance you guys are providing to the community
so that hopefully Microsoft can get some other MVPS that have a passion for
the technology and can provide us with some assistance.. I don't know this
Peter guy very well but I have seen some of his responses and they have
helped me with some projects I have been working on so... BACK OFF!!! Unless
you can provide some technical feedback. ( I DOUBT IT!!!, heh)

The thing that bothers me the most about this is that you stupid MVP's added
20 unnessary responses to this thread, and anyone from the community that
may have questions surrounding the same problem would have to dig thru all
this garbage to find the answer. If you have problem with something that
Microsoft is doing set up a newsgroup to provide them feedback or maybe you
cry baby's can set a newsgroup to pat each other on the back for such a
great job you guys are doing out here (laugh, cough , laugh) ...

Anyone else tired of the MVP's please feel free to start giving it back to
them ....

- Mike