Dual Boot & Vistboot Pro

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Rock said:
I said in my reply to Lonewolf that if something could be called an
"Ultimate" solution it would be the rewrite of XP. Didn't you see that?

I disagree that your second mention is a solution at all. It's a way not to
deal with the issue, but it's not a solution.
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I'm sure both you and Colin have better access to Microsoft
employees. But, and I have said this once already, I have talked
directly to two Microsoft employees who say the final decision about
whether or not to fix XP has *not* been made, yet.

I concede it is very possible they were blowing smoke up my ass.
I'll take them at their word, and wait to see what happens.

-Michael
 
MICHAEL said:
I'm sure both you and Colin have better access to Microsoft
employees. But, and I have said this once already, I have talked
directly to two Microsoft employees who say the final decision about
whether or not to fix XP has *not* been made, yet.

I concede it is very possible they were blowing smoke up my ass.
I'll take them at their word, and wait to see what happens.

-Michael
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I don't have any access to them. You know more than I do.
 
Michael

You made a valid point with backups.

However, as much as we stand on our soapboxes and
say 'DO YOUR BACKUPS', many people DON'T !

Restore Points have their purpose. Even a Windows
patch, upgrade or whatever you want to call it, creates
a restore point. If it's in between your normal backup cycle,
and something goes wrong with the download,
it's nice to be able to, at least, try and use a restore point.

If one was to turn off restore points, had a disk failure,
then one would have to go back to the last
'Drive Image Backup' (DIB) to get your system
back to some sort of working condition.

Myself, I have always had two physical hard drives.
C= programes
D= data
DIB is performed 15th of the month and last day of the month
on both drives. Disk failure , the most I would lose would be
15 days, but I don't do a DIB directly after a Windows
security patch installation ! That's when I look to 'restore points' if
something goes wrong.

Thank goodness we all have our opinions. What is the proper
one can only be determined by ones-self and listening to
GOOD advise from people we trust.

When VistaBoot Pro does manage to address this problem
I'm sure some-one will post their link. Maybe not in my
lifetime though.

Thanks to every-one.

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Thank You Colin

Yes, there has been a report or two that it did not provide the desired
protection from XP's volsnap.sys.
 
The CompletePC Upgrade team told us in a feature focus chat during TechBeta
that MS had been looking at the problem for a year and a half and had made a
final decision. The only opportunity for them to change their minds will be
XP SP3.
 
It isn't a system restore issue. It is a Volume Shadowcopy Services issue
and affects all files based on snapshots made with volsnap.sys. System
restore is only one of the victims, not the culprit.
 
That's a disappointment. Just curious though-
was this the same team that originally told you that
Bitlocker would not protect Vista's restore points?

-Michael
 
CZ, system restore points are of no consequence to me, simply because an
incremetal backup of the system (XP and Vista) is performed every night
using Acronis True Image. As you say they have limit use anyway. I have
actually noticed that my RTM copy of Vista will only hold restore points for
6 days then they get automatically deleted by Vista (unless i use XP then,
of course, they get deleted straight away.)

It is true that the majority of users will be using home or perhaps premium
but it is important that users who are spending extra cash on the versions
that do use shadow copy should be aware of the pitfalls of dual booting.


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Thanks Rock i did have a good check through the option of VistaBoot pro last
night and couldn't find anything.

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That's the team that told us that BitLocker WOULD protect Vista snapshots
from XP's volsnap.sys. They admitted that BitLocker not being available in
the home additions was a problem.

My advice is for dual booters to make sure they find a way to get into the
XP SP3 beta and really focus on this issue with the SP3 team.
 
That's the team that told us that BitLocker WOULD protect Vista snapshots from XP's
volsnap.sys.
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They only confirmed what I first reported. Even after you said
some "team" or chat session with some group told you that was
not possible. You repeated this several times, before accepting
what I was already telling this group about BitLocker.

-Michael
 
I'm not sure what you mean by "Ultimate" solution. There are simply
solutions to the issue. One is to use bitlocker, another is to hide the
Vista partition from XP using a partition manager. If VistaBoot Pro comes
out with the ability to hide the Vista partition that will be another
solution. Either way you have to choose one, but I don't see where any
particular solution would be the "Ultimate" one. Maybe this would be if the
XP code were rewritten so it doesn't delete the Vista restore points and
shadow copies, but MS has said they will not do this. The change is quite
extensive.

Rock:

There may be an ultimate solution, but for most of us there are simply
solutions to the issue.
For me, hiding one op system from another is undesirable as occasionally I
want access to one op system via another other op systems.

Case in point: recently, I could not boot into my test install of Vista RTM
via normal booting or by Safe Mode. The developer of the suspect program
requested copies of the memory dump, some log files, and various files in
his program's folder. No problem. I simply booted into my main Vista RTM
install to retrieve the files from the crashed install.
 
No, an "ultimate solution" IS the right term. There are two ultimate
solutions.

One ultimate solution is for MS to change their minds and do the extensive
rewrite to XP that would resolve all of this. Unfortunately, that is not
going to happen. The problem is that the size of the Windows user base that
dual boots is only a tiny fraction of one percent. It just isn't
economically feasible.

The other is not to dual boot XP and Vista.

My own solutions are to run XP in a virtual machine on my Vista x64 desktop
using VPC 2007 and keep an XP only machine around for occasional use.

Colin:

Re: The other is not to dual boot XP and Vista.
That is rather draconian.

You could have said the other is to dual boot, make backups of the Vista
vol, and accept what risk remains.
I would not hesitate to recommend dual booting XP and Vista via Vista's dual
boot feature provided the user keeps his/her data files on a third vol and
does periodic full backups.

Note that I multi-boot two copies of Vista, XP Home, XP Pro, and two copies
of Win2k3 server via Vista's dual boot feature. Works great.
 
That is a geek solution but do you really think it is a professional one? I
will never advise a user, who may very well have valuable data on which he
may well depend on for his livlihood to use such a solution. When folks
post here for advice how do you tell who is using his machine for gaming and
who is keeping his business data on it?
 
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