Drive Image , Recovery, again

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Guys

If you looked at some of the HDD forums, you wouldn't buy any make of
drive.. they all have their moments..

The danger, as always, is that somebody spreads info that may or may not be
correct, that could probably be fixed quite easily, and what is written
becomes 'lore' for evermore..

I have seen all makes of drive fail.. much of it could be put down to
quality control or lack of it.. sometimes it is a firmware problem, but that
can be fixed.. and sometimes it is the user who constantly 'escapes' the
chkdsk routine and ends up with a problem infested drive 'by choice'..
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Not sure what you're driving at but if it's in regards to any of my
comments you'll note that it is really all personal experience,
preference & probabilities that something could be associated with a
problem......If I know something for a fact than I'll quote
it....Obviously troubleshooting involves some probabilities that may
have never been recorded or "denied" for that matter...I had some
experiences with some situations and I'll tell ya the solutions were
"way out there" and they worked, go figure...........Anyway, I'm not
sure your objective with your comment is in regard to anything
particular I may have said but everything is not written in "stone" we
do not live in a perfect world....especially the world of
computing..........And I am very confident that in some aspects of
computing I know what I'm doing................ ;0)
 
ByTor said:
Okay I agree, I merely was just making a point, you definitely have more
patience than I do....... ;0)
Sometimes reading all, and I do check *all* threaded responses, I guess
gets a little confusing......You are correct, an exact clone really
should not be a problem providing it is removed from the machine until
needed, or when just merely switching drives, but it was a tad confusing
as I thought you wanted 2 OS's at one time on a different
drive.....Which in that case two Primaries wanting to be active at the
same time will confuse *ANY* system without some sort of 3rd party
software, plus cloning an OS that was Disk0 cannot be moved to Disk1 and
expected to run in a dual boot(unless, again, the drive is removed and
placed on the "Primary" IDE and the other OS is removed).........I
believe anything beyond Disk0 has to be logical for an OS, I may be
wrong as I have never done this before......My setup is 4 primaries on
Disk0, each hidden from each other period! If I remove one it doesnt
matter to me as all my images are restored to the exact
position.........

Anyway, I'm babbling, I'll apologize if I've thrown in any confusion and
hope it works out for ya......
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Not babbling, but explaining and making sense. Now the ball is in my
court. I have Seagate drives and WD drives and I can and will make a
conclusive test to prove or disprove the interchangeability matter.
It takes a lot of time to do it, and record-keeping besides.
 
Not babbling, but explaining and making sense. Now the ball is in my
court. I have Seagate drives and WD drives and I can and will make a
conclusive test to prove or disprove the interchangeability matter.
It takes a lot of time to do it, and record-keeping besides.
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Continuing on the saga of the non-booting Recovered Drives.....
I have two Seagate drives. One has a good working OS, which I'll call
Master. Slave is used for storing Drive Images but I'd like to
clone a Master onto it.....in large Unallocated Primary area which
is the first item in the Partition Magic-generated list. Ran defrag
and chkdsk on Master, comes out clean.

I follow instructions carefully, make Drive Image of Master, save
it on Slave Drive. Now I do nothing other than PQRE of the Drive
Image, which is on Slave Drive, to the Unallocated space on that
same Slave Drive. When finished, I go back to Master, run Partition
Magic, verify that the new OS on Slave Drive appears to be just line
the Master. Partition is first, it is Active and it is Primary.

And it refuses to boot to the new OS. Hangs in the BIOS on "Boot
from CD".....never gets to Windows at all. I am not ruling out that
the Slave drive might be defective somehow. It is an 80 GB drive
furnished direct by Seagate 2 years ago, as a replacement for the new
one that came in this PC. Of course, it has an OEM label on it, so
Seagate won't accept it back, and the OEM regards it as out of warranty.

Unless you have something I can do with it from here, Richard, I
suspect that I've done all that I can. I haven't proved anything about
mix-and-match drive manufacturers, as I had hoped this last test
would. What I've proved is that an all-Seagate Drive Image and PQRE
can also not work.I can still use this Slave drive as a dead storage bin
for Drive Images, and not try to make a working clone on it. But I
sure would like to prove or disprove the theorems.

Bill Lurie
 
Bill you should direct your questions to Symantec as they have taken over
Drive Image from Powerquest.

--

Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


In doing the Recovery, it asks about making the drive
Active and I check that box. Sometimes it works,
sometimes it doesn't, so it is a question of *why*
does it work only sometimes.
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Harry said:
Bill you should direct your questions to Symantec as they have taken over
Drive Image from Powerquest.
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Been there, Harry. They're useless. I'll pass this latest one along to
them, but it won't get any useful messages from them.
Bill
 
Harry Ohrn said:
Then switch to a reliable imaging program like Acronis TrueImage.
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I am in total agreement with Harry. I gave up the Ghost/Drive image programs
and went with Acronis True Image several months ago. It is so much more user
friendly with useful functions that are just not provided by Ghost. I have
tested it by recovering to a " bare metal" drive straight from it's box with
no prior preparation as this is an ultimate test. Even better, this test
drive was smaller than the one it replaced. Acronis coped with the re-sizing
on the fly without a whimper.

I use True Image with on a second internal HDD and also on a USB2 drive. I
take a base images once a week and automatically keep them up to date with
daily incrementals. At the present I could pick a point in time up to 15
days ago and restore to that date in less than a hour and not a screwdriver
in sight.

As the saying goes "It is the car/driver combination that kills, either on
it's own is harmless". So download a free trial version of Acronis TI and
see how you get on.

Good luck Bill.

Richard.
 
Richard said:
I am in total agreement with Harry. I gave up the Ghost/Drive image programs
and went with Acronis True Image several months ago. It is so much more user
friendly with useful functions that are just not provided by Ghost. I have
tested it by recovering to a " bare metal" drive straight from it's box with
no prior preparation as this is an ultimate test. Even better, this test
drive was smaller than the one it replaced. Acronis coped with the re-sizing
on the fly without a whimper.

I use True Image with on a second internal HDD and also on a USB2 drive. I
take a base images once a week and automatically keep them up to date with
daily incrementals. At the present I could pick a point in time up to 15
days ago and restore to that date in less than a hour and not a screwdriver
in sight.

As the saying goes "It is the car/driver combination that kills, either on
it's own is harmless". So download a free trial version of Acronis TI and
see how you get on.

Good luck Bill.

Richard.
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Gosh, that's the first I'd heard of True Image!!
Thanks, Harry and Richard. I'll give it a try,
but I'm sure you're both right.
Bill
 
B. S. I reccommended it to you last year, 3 times!

Read this, it is a new review of TI8 http://www.infopackets.com/gazette/20050323.htm.

Posted 3-1-2004:
Take a look at TrueImage from www.acronis.com. Works great and from within Windows.

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Just my 2¢ worth
Jeff
__________in response to__________

| Logan wrote:
| > get a good BU software...then burn those file(s) to a CD..or...DVD.....
| >
| >
| >
| Okay, I'd like some opinions on what constitutes
| 'good backup software'. Are you thinking GHOST or
| DRIVE IMAGE or the like?
| Bill Lurie

Posted 6-1-2004:

If what you are trying to do is make an image of your system and restore it to a different drive may I reccomend TrueImage7 from www.acronis.com. It works and for only $49.99.

--
Just my 2¢ worth
Jeff
__________in response to__________
| The XP Pro CD I have is not a Restore CD....it is a genuine
| Install CD. I know, because I installed from it. However,
| "backing up all data" is the reason for all of these
| machinations. I have a few dozen 'folders' full of files and
| data which are easy as pie (or pi) to copy to a CD, but
| that's just the tip of the iceberg. What would be utterly
| impossible to 'back up' is all of the software that's
| contained in all that is in "Program Files" and the Registry.
|
| I still say that, reading its literature, Drive Image was
| designed to do exactly what I'm trying to do. But it doesn't.
| And Power Quest, now Symantec, is almost impossible to get
| questions to, much less get answers from. I'm living with
| an Error Message in Norton System Works because, to repair
| it, just to fully uninstall it, would take reading through
| all the reference documents they had me link to...and print
| out....about 25 pages worth.......if I were to do it. The cure
| is worse than the disease. Sounds a little like trying to get
| rid of my Recovery Console.
|
| I will experiment with the cloned hard drive, and see if the
| procedures you have kindly detailed will get it 'repaired'.
| I doubt that I would ever accept the risks and uncertainties
| of doing it on my sacred system. The cloned drive may or may
| not be amenable to responding to that procedure. We shall see.
| And thank you for your inputs.
|
| --
| William B. Lurie

Also on 7-11-2004!
--
Just my 2¢ worth,
Jeff
__________In response to__________
| Richard wrote:
| > | >
| >>Then switch to a reliable imaging program like Acronis TrueImage.
| >>
| >>--
| >>
| >>Harry Ohrn MS-MVP [Shell/User]
| >>www.webtree.ca/windowsxp
| >>
| >>
| >
| > I am in total agreement with Harry. I gave up the Ghost/Drive image programs
| > and went with Acronis True Image several months ago. It is so much more user
| > friendly with useful functions that are just not provided by Ghost. I have
| > tested it by recovering to a " bare metal" drive straight from it's box with
| > no prior preparation as this is an ultimate test. Even better, this test
| > drive was smaller than the one it replaced. Acronis coped with the re-sizing
| > on the fly without a whimper.
| >
| > I use True Image with on a second internal HDD and also on a USB2 drive. I
| > take a base images once a week and automatically keep them up to date with
| > daily incrementals. At the present I could pick a point in time up to 15
| > days ago and restore to that date in less than a hour and not a screwdriver
| > in sight.
| >
| > As the saying goes "It is the car/driver combination that kills, either on
| > it's own is harmless". So download a free trial version of Acronis TI and
| > see how you get on.
| >
| > Good luck Bill.
| >
| > Richard.
| >
| >
| Gosh, that's the first I'd heard of True Image!!
| Thanks, Harry and Richard. I'll give it a try,
| but I'm sure you're both right.
| Bill
 
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