Drive corrupted somehow

[M.I.5¾]

What made you believe you could hot-swap regular SATA drives?

What makes you think they can't?

The SATA connectors (both the power and the data connectors) have been
designed precisely so that they can be hot plugged. The connectors aren't
designed that well and is is essential to ensure that the connector is mated
or unmated without pulling it sideways.

And I have hot plugged SATA drives for years without any problem. Of course
you can't hot unplug the system drive or the drive with the swap file on (if
different).

 

[Shenan Stanley]

What makes you think they can't?

The SATA connectors (both the power and the data connectors) have
been designed precisely so that they can be hot plugged. The
connectors aren't designed that well and is is essential to ensure
that the connector is mated or unmated without pulling it sideways.

And I have hot plugged SATA drives for years without any problem. Of
course you can't hot unplug the system drive or the drive with
the swap file on (if different).

They can be hot-swap if it is also supported by the SATA controller and by
the hardware driver in the operating system.

Just because a given drive can be hot-swappable does not mean it will be in
a specific system.

 

[M.I.5¾]

They can be hot-swap if it is also supported by the SATA controller and by
the hardware driver in the operating system.

Just because a given drive can be hot-swappable does not mean it will be
in a specific system.

I have thus far failed to encounter one that has failed to hot plug other
than (as I noted above) if the connector is pulled off at an angle such that
the contacts break in the wrong order.

 

[Superman]

Not all SATA drives are advertised as hot-swap. They can be hot-swap if it
is also supported by the SATA controller and by the hardware driver in the
operating system. Of course - there are lots of things you can say that
about.

Now - is the drive with the problem now in some eSATA enclosure - and is it
strictly eSATA?

Yes and yes.

Have you tried it in another machine?

I can't. I don't have another one with an SATA bus. I will have to take
it to a computer shop. But I have bitten the bullet. I deleted the
partition, and reformatted, but lo and behold the problem persists. ?? I
can copy small files to and from it, but anything large (say 1 or 2
gigs) causes the prob is as I've described. This is a curly one isn't
it. There must be something wrong hardware wise with the drive, surely?


--
rgds,

Pete
=====
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"Brumby claims police on every corner wouldn't reduce violence, but speed cameras everywhere reduces speeding. Oh, that's right, no revenue in locking up thugs"

"Now that we are seeing the results of the social experiment conducted by Christine Nixon, turning our police force into peace keepers rather than law enforcers, could we please go back to some real policing?"

"I will save water if two things happen: a dam gets built and Labor goes"

"They can dish up as much sex, violence and offensive language as they like, but heaven forbid you blacken your face and sing and dance. What a sad world it is."

- media comments

"I don't care what you f__kers think!" - The Hon Kevin Rudd MP, Prime Minister of Australia

 

[Superman]

Yes, it's true that some are advertised that way and some can be hot
swapped. But, and there's always a but, you must be certain that before
you pull a SATA, you dismount it. In XP, that's done by using the
"Safely Remove Hardware" icon.

I don't get that icon for drives on the motherboard SATA bus or
controller card, only with USB devices.

You have to be careful of marketing hype
and be sure to read the small print about things like that.

Have you tried doing a power-down & reboot? Power down means all
power removed from the computer; pull the cord out of the outlet. The
computer's power switch does not actually turn everything off and may
not clear RAM properly for what you're trying to do. The power off
should last for at least 30 seconds, better if you wait 60 seconds.

You might also try running chkdsk on the drive. Note that in a
situation lke this, a chkdsk could, not will, result in even more
corruption, so use it as a last resort.

Be sure the data/power connectors are well seated at both ends,
especially the SATA cable.

I'll try those then.

HTH,

Twayne`

--
rgds,

Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com

"Brumby claims police on every corner wouldn't reduce violence, but speed cameras everywhere reduces speeding. Oh, that's right, no revenue in locking up thugs"

"Now that we are seeing the results of the social experiment conducted by Christine Nixon, turning our police force into peace keepers rather than law enforcers, could we please go back to some real policing?"

"I will save water if two things happen: a dam gets built and Labor goes"

"They can dish up as much sex, violence and offensive language as they like, but heaven forbid you blacken your face and sing and dance. What a sad world it is."

- media comments

"I don't care what you f__kers think!" - The Hon Kevin Rudd MP, Prime Minister of Australia

 

[Superman]

I think your mis-interpreting the term Hot-Swap

To use Hot Swap, you have to have some type of raid system.
So the removal of a drive will not affect the working drives and
inserting a new drive into existing system will automatically
re-sync it with the other drives.

The Minimum would be Mirrored, and removing a working drive
from a working system will yield in a corrupted drive if placed
into anther system.

I don't know anything about RAID. I'm hot swapping other SATA drives ok.
I don't change the C or D drives. The drives I change are in an eSATA
enclosure running from a controller card.

In short then, using Hot Swap is for replacing faulty drives on the fly,
not for making backup hard drives.

You would need to tell windoze to disable cached writes on the Drive,

How/where do I do that?

so all Info is written Immediately and this will slow the drive
considerably.

I won't matter too much because these drives are only used for storage.


--
rgds,

Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com

"Brumby claims police on every corner wouldn't reduce violence, but speed cameras everywhere reduces speeding. Oh, that's right, no revenue in locking up thugs"

"Now that we are seeing the results of the social experiment conducted by Christine Nixon, turning our police force into peace keepers rather than law enforcers, could we please go back to some real policing?"

"I will save water if two things happen: a dam gets built and Labor goes"

"They can dish up as much sex, violence and offensive language as they like, but heaven forbid you blacken your face and sing and dance. What a sad world it is."

- media comments

"I don't care what you f__kers think!" - The Hon Kevin Rudd MP, Prime Minister of Australia

 

[Superman]

What do you mean you installed a new drive without rebooting, did you just
plug it in while the PC was running?

I installed a new drive and booted then used the Western Digital utility
to partition and format in XP and then tried to use it without rebooting.

Have you tried running scandisk?

yes, says ok.

What process goes upto 100% CPU?

I don't know.

Is it NTFS formatted?
yes

Try useing something like dd.exe to read the first 20MB or so,

I don't have that.

it sounds like MFT is out of whack, when the CPU is at 100% does the harddisk
light constantly come on?

I don't recall, but I think yes. I deleted the partition and reformatted
the drive, but it's still the same. ?? That would rule out a software issue?


--
rgds,

Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com

"Brumby claims police on every corner wouldn't reduce violence, but speed cameras everywhere reduces speeding. Oh, that's right, no revenue in locking up thugs"

"Now that we are seeing the results of the social experiment conducted by Christine Nixon, turning our police force into peace keepers rather than law enforcers, could we please go back to some real policing?"

"I will save water if two things happen: a dam gets built and Labor goes"

"They can dish up as much sex, violence and offensive language as they like, but heaven forbid you blacken your face and sing and dance. What a sad world it is."

- media comments

"I don't care what you f__kers think!" - The Hon Kevin Rudd MP, Prime Minister of Australia

 

[son of a bitch]

I don't know anything about RAID. I'm hot swapping other SATA drives ok.
I don't change the C or D drives. The drives I change are in an eSATA
enclosure running from a controller card.


How/where do I do that?


I won't matter too much because these drives are only used for storage.

Go to My Computer

Right Click the Drive then select properties
Select the Physical Drive then click Properties
Then click the policies tab, un-tick the Write Cache

You can also do this, if there is no Safely Remove Hardware Icon in the
Bottom Right Corner

Click Start -> Run
enter into the Run Popup Box
RunDll32.exe shell32.dll,Control_RunDLL HotPlug.dll


You should only need to one or the other

 

[Superman]

Go to My Computer

Right Click the Drive then select properties
Select the Physical Drive then click Properties
Then click the policies tab, un-tick the Write Cache

You can also do this, if there is no Safely Remove Hardware Icon in the
Bottom Right Corner

Click Start -> Run
enter into the Run Popup Box
RunDll32.exe shell32.dll,Control_RunDLL HotPlug.dll


You should only need to one or the other

thanks!

--
rgds,

Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com

"Brumby claims police on every corner wouldn't reduce violence, but speed cameras everywhere reduces speeding. Oh, that's right, no revenue in locking up thugs"

"Now that we are seeing the results of the social experiment conducted by Christine Nixon, turning our police force into peace keepers rather than law enforcers, could we please go back to some real policing?"

"I will save water if two things happen: a dam gets built and Labor goes"

"They can dish up as much sex, violence and offensive language as they like, but heaven forbid you blacken your face and sing and dance. What a sad world it is."

- media comments

"I don't care what you f__kers think!" - The Hon Kevin Rudd MP, Prime Minister of Australia

 

[chrisv]

son of a bitch wrote:

Enough of your stupidity.

*plonk*