Drive corrupted somehow

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Here's one for the techsperts. I certainly hope some one can help. (OP
sys XP sp3, P4 3.0 ghz)

Firstly don't EVER believe that you can hot swap SATA drives. My beloved
windoze has totally got it's knickers in a twist after I swapped some
SATA drives. Actually it happened after I installed a new (D) drive. I
didn't reboot. I didn't think I needed to. Anyway, the prob is that the
drive will come up in 'My Computer', but I can't transfer any files off
it. It's currently running off an eSATA card as the E drive. If I put it
as the D drive after removing the existing drive, the PC won't boot. It
just hangs before loading windows, but the drive is recognized in BIOS.
If I try to transfer files off it the mouse goes all jerky and the CPU
usage maxes out!- up to 100%. I can transfer files TO the drive and
transfer them back again, but I can't transfer any files that were on
the drive originally. ?? Windows reports in Disk Management that the
drive is healthy, but it aint! I really need this drive as it is my
backup drive with ghost images and files. Of course it would have to be
this drive that's affected- Murphy's law. Can anyone please help?

--
rgds,

Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com
 
Superman" <"c/- Lois.Lane said:
Here's one for the techsperts. I certainly hope some one can help.
(OP sys XP sp3, P4 3.0 ghz)

Firstly don't EVER believe that you can hot swap SATA drives. My
beloved windoze has totally got it's knickers in a twist after I
swapped some SATA drives. Actually it happened after I installed a
new (D) drive. I didn't reboot. I didn't think I needed to. Anyway,
the prob is that the drive will come up in 'My Computer', but I
can't transfer any files off it. It's currently running off an
eSATA card as the E drive. If I put it as the D drive after
removing the existing drive, the PC won't boot. It just hangs
before loading windows, but the drive is recognized in BIOS. If I
try to transfer files off it the mouse goes all jerky and the CPU
usage maxes out!- up to 100%. I can transfer files TO the drive and
transfer them back again, but I can't transfer any files that were
on the drive originally. ?? Windows reports in Disk Management that
the drive is healthy, but it aint! I really need this drive as it
is my backup drive with ghost images and files. Of course it would
have to be this drive that's affected- Murphy's law. Can anyone
please help?
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What made you believe you could hot-swap regular SATA drives?
 
Shenan Stanley said:
What made you believe you could hot-swap regular SATA drives?
Click to expand...

If you can't/won't answer the query, what made YOU think this was a
worthwhile post?

Twayne`
 
DL said:
Use the drive test utility available from drive manufacturers site to
test the drive
Click to expand...

Unfortunately, writing to the corrupted drive has not helped the
situation.

Have you run scan disc against it?

Rob
 
Twayne said:
If you can't/won't answer the query, what made YOU think this was a
worthwhile post?
Click to expand...

Same question, to you.

However - I have an answer because mine is worthwhile. The answer to their
current predicament may lie in what their reasoning was and whose advice
they followed in getting into the predicament.
 
Shenan said:
What made you believe you could hot-swap regular SATA drives?
Click to expand...

They are advertised that way.

--
rgds,

Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com

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"Now that we are seeing the results of the social experiment conducted by Christine Nixon, turning our police force into peace keepers rather than law enforcers, could we please go back to some real policing?"

"I will save water if two things happen: a dam gets built and Labor goes"

"They can dish up as much sex, violence and offensive language as they like, but heaven forbid you blacken your face and sing and dance. What a sad world it is."

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me said:
DL wrote:



Unfortunately, writing to the corrupted drive has not helped the
situation.

Have you run scan disc against it?
Click to expand...

Yes, I've run Scan Disk, Norton's, Data Lifeguard, and SMART. All report
ok. I'm thinking maybe it's an OS issue. I did get a 'delayed write
failed' message for this drive before this happened.
Rob
Click to expand...



--
rgds,

Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com

"Brumby claims police on every corner wouldn't reduce violence, but speed cameras everywhere reduces speeding. Oh, that's right, no revenue in locking up thugs"

"Now that we are seeing the results of the social experiment conducted by Christine Nixon, turning our police force into peace keepers rather than law enforcers, could we please go back to some real policing?"

"I will save water if two things happen: a dam gets built and Labor goes"

"They can dish up as much sex, violence and offensive language on tv as they like, but heaven forbid you blacken your face and sing and dance. What a sad world it is."

- media comments

"I don't care what you f__kers think!" - The Hon Kevin Rudd MP, Prime Minister of Australia
 
Superman" <"c/- Lois.Lane said:
Here's one for the techsperts. I certainly hope some one can help.
(OP sys XP sp3, P4 3.0 ghz)

Firstly don't EVER believe that you can hot swap SATA drives. My
beloved windoze has totally got it's knickers in a twist after I
swapped some SATA drives. Actually it happened after I installed a
new (D) drive. I didn't reboot. I didn't think I needed to. Anyway,
the prob is that the drive will come up in 'My Computer', but I
can't transfer any files off it. It's currently running off an
eSATA card as the E drive. If I put it as the D drive after
removing the existing drive, the PC won't boot. It just hangs
before loading windows, but the drive is recognized in BIOS. If I
try to transfer files off it the mouse goes all jerky and the CPU
usage maxes out!- up to 100%. I can transfer files TO the drive and
transfer them back again, but I can't transfer any files that were
on the drive originally. ?? Windows reports in Disk Management that
the drive is healthy, but it aint! I really need this drive as it
is my backup drive with ghost images and files. Of course it would
have to be this drive that's affected- Murphy's law. Can anyone
please help?
Click to expand...

Shenan said:
What made you believe you could hot-swap regular SATA drives?
Click to expand...

Superman" <"c/- Lois.Lane said:
They are advertised that way.
Click to expand...

Not all SATA drives are advertised as hot-swap. They can be hot-swap if it
is also supported by the SATA controller and by the hardware driver in the
operating system. Of course - there are lots of things you can say that
about. :-)

Now - is the drive with the problem now in some eSATA enclosure - and is it
strictly eSATA? Have you tried it in another machine?
 
DL said:
Use the drive test utility available from drive manufacturers site to test
the drive
Click to expand...

I've run Scan Disk, Norton's, Data Lifeguard, and SMART and all report
ok. I'm beginning to suspect it's an OS issue. I did get a 'delayed
write failed' message for this drive before it happened.


--
rgds,

Pete
=====
http://pw352.blogspot.com

"Brumby claims police on every corner wouldn't reduce violence, but speed cameras everywhere reduces speeding. Oh, that's right, no revenue in locking up thugs"

"Now that we are seeing the results of the social experiment conducted by Christine Nixon, turning our police force into peace keepers rather than law enforcers, could we please go back to some real policing?"

"I will save water if two things happen: a dam gets built and Labor goes"

"They can dish up as much sex, violence and offensive language as they like, but heaven forbid you blacken your face and sing and dance. What a sad world it is."

- media comments

"I don't care what you f__kers think!" - The Hon Kevin Rudd MP, Prime Minister of Australia
 
Superman said:
Here's one for the techsperts. I certainly hope some one can help. (OP
sys XP sp3, P4 3.0 ghz)

Firstly don't EVER believe that you can hot swap SATA drives. My beloved
windoze has totally got it's knickers in a twist after I swapped some
SATA drives. Actually it happened after I installed a new (D) drive. I
didn't reboot. I didn't think I needed to. Anyway, the prob is that the
drive will come up in 'My Computer', but I can't transfer any files off
it. It's currently running off an eSATA card as the E drive. If I put it
as the D drive after removing the existing drive, the PC won't boot. It
just hangs before loading windows, but the drive is recognized in BIOS.
If I try to transfer files off it the mouse goes all jerky and the CPU
usage maxes out!- up to 100%. I can transfer files TO the drive and
transfer them back again, but I can't transfer any files that were on
the drive originally. ?? Windows reports in Disk Management that the
drive is healthy, but it aint! I really need this drive as it is my
backup drive with ghost images and files. Of course it would have to be
this drive that's affected- Murphy's law. Can anyone please help?
Click to expand...

I think your mis-interpreting the term Hot-Swap

To use Hot Swap, you have to have some type of raid system.
So the removal of a drive will not affect the working drives and
inserting a new drive into existing system will automatically
re-sync it with the other drives.

The Minimum would be Mirrored, and removing a working drive
from a working system will yield in a corrupted drive if placed
into anther system.

In short then, using Hot Swap is for replacing faulty drives on the fly,
not for making backup hard drives.

You would need to tell windoze to disable cached writes on the Drive,
so all Info is written Immediately and this will slow the drive
considerably.
 
Superman said:
Anyway, >>> the prob is that the drive will come up in 'My Computer',
but I >>> can't transfer any files off it. It's currently running off
an >>> eSATA card as the E drive. If I put it as the D drive after
and >>> transfer them back again, but I can't transfer any files that
were >>> on the drive originally. ?? Windows reports in Disk
Management >>> that the drive is healthy, but it aint! I really need
this drive as >>> it is my backup drive with ghost images and files.
Of course it >>> would have to be this drive that's affected-
Murphy's law. Can >>> anyone please help?

Yes, I've run Scan Disk, Norton's, Data Lifeguard, and SMART. All
report ok. I'm thinking maybe it's an OS issue. I did get a 'delayed
write failed' message for this drive before this happened.
Click to expand...

I know it's a long shot, but maybe run Damn Small Linux and try to
mount the drive.

It might just work.

Rob
 
Superman said:
Here's one for the techsperts. I certainly hope some one can help. (OP sys
XP sp3, P4 3.0 ghz)

Firstly don't EVER believe that you can hot swap SATA drives. My beloved
windoze has totally got it's knickers in a twist after I swapped some SATA
drives. Actually it happened after I installed a new (D) drive. I didn't
reboot. I didn't think I needed to. Anyway, the prob is that the drive
will come up in 'My Computer', but I can't transfer any files off it. It's
currently running off an eSATA card as the E drive. If I put it as the D
drive after removing the existing drive, the PC won't boot. It just hangs
before loading windows, but the drive is recognized in BIOS. If I try to
transfer files off it the mouse goes all jerky and the CPU usage maxes
out!- up to 100%. I can transfer files TO the drive and transfer them back
again, but I can't transfer any files that were on the drive originally.
?? Windows reports in Disk Management that the drive is healthy, but it
aint! I really need this drive as it is my backup drive with ghost images
and files. Of course it would have to be this drive that's affected-
Murphy's law. Can anyone please help?
Click to expand...

What do you mean you installed a new drive without rebooting, did you just
plug it in while the PC was running?
Have you tried running scandisk? What process goes upto 100% CPU? Is it NTFS
formatted? Try useing something like dd.exe to read the first 20MB or so, it
sounds like MFT is out of whack, when the CPU is at 100% does the harddisk
light constantly come on?
 
I think your mis-interpreting the term Hot-Swap
Click to expand...
To use Hot Swap, you have to have some type of raid system.
Click to expand...

Wrong, as always.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_swapping
So the removal of a drive will not affect the working drives and
inserting a new drive into existing system will automatically
re-sync it with the other drives.
Click to expand...

Thats what some RAIDs have, not hot swap.
The Minimum would be Mirrored, and removing a working drive
from a working system will yield in a corrupted drive if placed
into anther system.
Click to expand...
In short then, using Hot Swap is for replacing faulty drives on the fly, not for making backup hard drives.
Click to expand...

Utterly mangled all over again.
You would need to tell windoze to disable cached writes on the Drive,
so all Info is written Immediately and this will slow the drive considerably.
Click to expand...

Wrong, as always.
 
Shenan Stanley said:
Same question, to you.

However - I have an answer because mine is worthwhile.
Click to expand...

So ... you have an answer but once again decided to hold it for ransom.
Stop being so condescending and narsissistic and answer the OP and
phrase your questions with a short bit of reasoning.

I think my post was/is worthwhile because it called you for doing this
stupid question think you like to do so often in condescending and
egotistic manners while offering absolutely no advice or even
information. It's worth pointing out your silliness to others also.

Only your ignorance in people skills is greater than your ego.

Twayne`
 
Superman said:
They are advertised that way.
Click to expand...

Yes, it's true that some are advertised that way and some can be hot
swapped. But, and there's always a but, you must be certain that before
you pull a SATA, you dismount it. In XP, that's done by using the
"Safely Remove Hardware" icon. You have to be careful of marketing hype
and be sure to read the small print about things like that.

Have you tried doing a power-down & reboot? Power down means all
power removed from the computer; pull the cord out of the outlet. The
computer's power switch does not actually turn everything off and may
not clear RAM properly for what you're trying to do. The power off
should last for at least 30 seconds, better if you wait 60 seconds.

You might also try running chkdsk on the drive. Note that in a
situation lke this, a chkdsk could, not will, result in even more
corruption, so use it as a last resort.

Be sure the data/power connectors are well seated at both ends,
especially the SATA cable.

HTH,

Twayne`
 
Superman said:
I've run Scan Disk, Norton's, Data Lifeguard, and SMART and all report
ok. I'm beginning to suspect it's an OS issue. I did get a 'delayed
write failed' message for this drive before it happened.
Click to expand...
I thought only some servers had hot swap drives I have not seen any on
desk top units
 
Twayne said:
If you can't/won't answer the query, what made YOU think this was a
worthwhile post?
Click to expand...

Shenan said:
Same question, to you.

However - I have an answer because mine is worthwhile. The answer
to their current predicament may lie in what their reasoning was
and whose advice they followed in getting into the predicament.
Click to expand...
So ... you have an answer but once again decided to hold it for
ransom. Stop being so condescending and narsissistic and answer the
OP and phrase your questions with a short bit of reasoning.

I think my post was/is worthwhile because it called you for doing
this stupid question think you like to do so often in condescending
and egotistic manners while offering absolutely no advice or even
information. It's worth pointing out your silliness to others also.

Only your ignorance in people skills is greater than your ego.
Click to expand...

You have misunderstood my answer to your query - which is surprising given
you know how I usually quote things. You will notice I snipped out the OPs
part of this entirely. My *answer* that I referenced was to you - not the
OP. You did ask a question and I asked you to answer the same question that
you asked and informed you that I had an answer to your query and proceded
to give it.

Let me add in words that may clarify my answer to *you* so things become
clearer.
Same question, to you[, since you have done the exact thing
you accused me of doing, of which I believe I have not done.]

However - I have an answer [for you, and that answer is]
because [my question to the OP] is worthwhile. The answer
to their current predicament may lie in what their reasoning was
and whose advice they followed in getting into the predicament.
Click to expand...

You have your opinions - and I respect that. The OP answered my query and
not only did I find the answer enlightening and provided further insight and
understanding - you must have felt the same way, seeing as you decided to
respond to them after they responded to me. Although, they had gotten some
of the suggestions you provided in your response elsewhere in the
conversation before you responded, unfortunately for them.

In the end - this thread of the conversation was not intended to assist the
OP (the thread I am speaking of - as you can see by the way I have quoted it
each time - started with your response to me, nothing before) but to answer
*your* query in the hijacked (by you) original posting. I feel I have
accomplished that.

As for your personal attacks - I will leave it with what I have already
said, "You have your opinions - and I respect that."
 
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