DreamPC 2006 ready for it's grave...

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Skybuck

Hello,

My experiment with building a DreamPC has pretty much come to an end.

I am now fed up with it's problems.

The top 5 problems/killers are:

1. Dust
2. Overheat
3. Electric shocks
4. Physical shocks
5. Insects

For some reason the brand new hitachi 2 TB drive has failed according
to Microsoft Windows 7, it is supposed to have bad sectors.

Which is kinda strange...

Perhaps the motherboard is malfunctioning again and is cause of
problems. Perhaps it's windows 7 corruption but it also seems hardware
wise problem.

Knoppix live does work somewhat with the drives, Google Chrome is
weird and cannot post. Conquerer webbrowser can post, it warns about
invalid security certificates which is kinda weird.

The antec 1200 is bad case, the scythe zipang cooler was way too big,
the gtx 7900 overheated, the amd x2 cpu ran way too hot, some of these
components were on cutting edge, and some just bad.

Conclusion is:

Building PC is not as easy as one would think, there are dangers some
up above in short, many things can cause those dangers.

Conclusion:

Do not do bussiness with individual component sellers, they don't care
if a system dies, it's not their problem, it will be your problem.

It's probably better to buy whole systems from HP, Dell or any other
big system seller, if they **** up it is there responsibility and it's
going to cost them big time in warranties and perhaps lawsuits, not so
with individual components. Individual components might look nice but
can have many hidden defects or consequences.

I am still somewhat skeptical if HP/Dell or any system seller's system
is actually better.

I also believe the term: DESKTOP is retarded, putting a desk on a
table is just plain stupid. The chance of hitting the table while
standing up, sitting down or hitting the mouse is much higher than
kicking a pc case on the ground. PC's should probably be placed on
ground and never on a table.

It's difficult to say what the exact cause of death is in all
situations... perhaps electrical system in my house plays a roll as
well, I shall try and see if I can solve those problems, like a fridge
always running and no earth grounding...

Having a PC constantly die on my is no fun... I also did lot's of
gaming maybe that plays a roll..

Here are some further thoughts on possible causes:

1. Perhaps hot/cold plays a big roll.
2. I wonder what happens to harddisk if a lot of cold air is blown
over them, could that actually be a bad problem ? Maybe the harddisks
died because of a mix of hot and cold air ?!? Maybe the antec 1200
caused bad sectors on the harddisks to occur because of excessive cold
air being blown in... a worthy hypothesis to investigate... perhaps
some strange happens to the platters inside a harddisk if it becomes
to cold or mixed cold.
3. Fans attached to harddisk bays is probably a bad design decision
which I already posted about in the past.

Anyway for now my trust in computer technology has sunk to a
deeeeeeeeeeeep low point.

I will most definetly not buy phones or tables because they seems to
break quite easily as reported by other people, so that option as a
reliable replacement for a PC is out of the window ;)

I am also quite fed up with Windows... it's pretty dumbed down and out
of control... I have little control over what it is doing... I am
seriously thinking about switching to something else... perhaps
Knoppix or Ubuntu...

However some of my files are in windows format like windows live mail
or whatever... I am not sure if that can be exported to ubuntu as well
as virtual harddisks..


For now my "recovery" strategy will be as follows:

I shall try and buy a cheap Dell/HP/Sony... or whatever system I can
find at a local store or so and see if that can fit my needs, I kinda
doubt it but it seems I have little choice... so for now my strategy
will be: "Treat PC's like disposable components" but do make sure to
backup data often to other systems as well, and try to sort out
electrical system in house, maybe I even have to move to be sure it's
ok, but moving would kinda suck.

For what it's worth I will also post my last rant when my system died
but it didn't get posted because of chromo but now conquerer can:

Well I am not yet sure if I am gonna post that rant... it's probably
on my data drive which I disconnected as an experiment to see if that
would help.

This is like the 4th or 5th that that I cannot access my data, it's
fokking strange... so many fails lately ! WOW LOL.

I guess it's time to get some new systems or something... even Knoppix
also failed a little bit it has a little bit of difficulties with
spaces but can stil open files with gedit/whatever....

Maybe it's better if I don't post that rant but it had some
interesting thoughts in it I guess... so I would like to read it
myself at least one more time to see how I see the future during bad
times...


I can tell you one thing right now though:

Computers have become very important, people would like to store a lot
of information on it and would like to depend on it, but the hardware
is failing in multiple ways nowadays... because of different reasons,
overheat, complexity, bugs, etc.

I hope this trend changes... I fear the worst though.

I see people wanting to pay with their mobile phones ?!? Why turn such
a simple robust technique with real money into a super complex
technology handling ? It's madness/close-to-retardeness, you drop your
phone on the floor like you would money, and suddenly you can't even
pay your groceries because you dropped your phone in the supermarket.

I hope people start thinking more about "simplicity/robustness vs
computer technology"... nowadays people apply way too much technology
to things which were much simpler without it. People are making our
society very vunerable to technological failures and it sux badly and
it's gonna suck even worse in the future.

Though I do like the new supermarket system of scanning products,
stuffing them in bags and paying with pinpas and walking out store
without having to repacking them... but when the device fails or
whatever there is also a bit of a panick ! LOL... and the pinpas
system has also failed nationality or on large scale a couple of
times... fortuntely not when I was shopping ;) <- The horror ! =D This
is why I care money with me when I go shopping for one electronical
systems fail, so I can still pay ;)

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
On 10/20/2011 4:58 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
Probably cluelessness is number 0, real computer experts start
counting at zero.

I have one self assembled PC here that has been running more than 10
years 24/7
with the same harddisks (Seagate), only the power supply was replaced
because replacing it was cheaper than finding the bad caps in it.
But this is a top notch mobo, Tyan.
Graphics card was replaced too.
Every PCI slot is in use.

Many [online] shops in the Netherlands sell complete systems,
Norrod, Alternate, some have an online system where you can select the
right components.
You absolutely need a 'randaarde' (ground) on your PC, as well as your
monitor,
basically on anything you plug into it except for Ethernet (that is
isolated),
and optical audio.
If you do not, then your new (next) PC will die too withing a very
short time.
Connect those power cables first, that makes sure everything is on the
same ground,
then start with the rest.
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This guy just seems to buy bad stuff.
His brain is basically ****ed !!
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He has a brain? Doesn't display much evidence of possessing such a thing!
 
If your PC is regularly getting dropped/kicked/falling over/etc, perhaps
you should look for a safer location.


Insects? Seriously? How are they getting inside the case?
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You've got it wrong. The insects are not inside the case, they're
buzzing round inside his head.
 
Many [online] shops in the Netherlands sell complete systems,
Norrod, Alternate, some have an online system where you can select the right components.
You absolutely need a 'randaarde' (ground) on your PC, as well as your monitor,
basically on anything you plug into it except for Ethernet (that is isolated),
and optical audio.
If you do not, then your new (next) PC will die too withing a very short time.
Connect those power cables first, that makes sure everything is on the same ground,
then start with the rest.
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Please....
Don't inflict StyFart on those folks.

--
"Shit this is it, all the pieces do fit.
We're like that crazy old man jumping
out of the alleyway with a baseball bat,
saying, "Remember me motherfucker?"
Jim “Dandy” Mangrum
 
I am not yet ready to give up on my DreamPC2006 (updates along the
years), mostly because I don't really believe in other systems from
HP,Dell,Media Markt, Apple and so forth... For example they sell
desktops/midtowers too mostly so that changes little, also I am not
yet sure what the exact cause of death is of the harddisks and other
equipment. So far my DreamPC2006 is still alive and working quite well
from Knoppix DVD which is quite amazing... just browsing the internet
does not seem to need a harddisk a nice lesson for Microsoft/IE to
learn ! ;)

Sigh... so anyway I am going to make a list of most likely possible
causes of death for all failed hardware components to make up my mind
later:

Motherboard 1 dead/fried, cause: overheat, obstructed airflow, bad
chieftec case, two gtx 7900 sandwhiched with soundblaster. (mb
replacement?) (1400 bucks wasted on gtx's) (200 bucks wasted on
chieftec case)
Motherboard 2 dead/fried, cause: overheat, obstructed airflow, antec
1200 case dust filters preventing airflow, gtx heatsink full with
dust. (200 bucks)
Motherboard 3 dead, cause: electric shock, not earthed, connecting
devices caused shock. (100 bucks)
Memory chip bit corrupted, cause: overheat, scythe zipang obstructing
airflow, heatpipes causing overheat of memory chip. (almost free
replacement, 8 bucks shipping or so)
Blue led on case, dead ?, cause: unexplained, perhaps faulty
connecting, perhaps electric shock related.
AMD Heatsink fan pins/holes broke off, still usuable, cleaning
related, dust related.
Old harddisk 1 (2006), bad sectors/file system corruption, vibration/
physical shock related ?! <- Could be caused by midtower, or fan
vibration, or not equipting screws to fasten drive bay, could also be
age related. (200 bucks)
New harddisk 2 (2011), bad clusters, bad sectors, strange/unexplained,
perhaps power less related/reset because of impatience/freeze, could
also be electric shock related, could also be windows 7 file system
corruption, could also be bad motherboard controller. (100 bucks)
Creative X-Fi Elite Pro, death unconfirmed, could also be because of
missing system files, could also be dead. Could be dust related,
perhaps under control by setting fan inlets to minimum. (200 bucks)
Additional power supply, wasn't really necessary but ok was needed for
antec 1200 (200 bucks)

Estimated money sort of wasted or half in use: 2600 bucks wasted.

^ That's a lot of money wasted, though the gtx's are still usuable but
then again, also overheat-prone so not really worth it.
These bucks are estimated numbers and might be a bit on the high
side... but it still illustrates nicely how much money was wasted.
For that ammount of money I could have bought 3 or 4 dell's or so, or
some hp's or whatever. Though they have limited harddisk space and
such. It's not really about money efficiency I just want my systems/
data to last, especially my data.
So far this wasted money is not a too good sign, but I have already
learned from it somewhat, so that lesson is already learned. The
purpose of this posting is to focus on most likely causes of death and
what to do about it.

From surveying the web, it seems SSD is too unreliable, so it cannot
be used as a replacement for physical shock protection/absorption. My
guess is SSD could probably fail because of electrical shock, or most
likely overheat. Though my system is now pretty well cooled, but could
have electrical shock related issues, perhaps hard resets, or "dirty"
wall power ;) Perhaps electrical fluctuations. Some people do report
some success with SSD but perhaps those people only browse the web and
do very little with their SSD, the heavy users report massive
failures. I do wonder how SSD would work in my system, so perhaps I
give a cheap version a try to see how it works and it could allow my
system to go back up a bit from a HD so I can run windows again ;) But
ofcourse it could also be a further waste of money and it's kinda
tiny, but maybe for 100 bucks max I would be willing to give it a try
for a few months or so... I am mostly concerned about my data, I want
a safe solution for it, SSD is not it. I also though about "encrypted
cloud" but my data is well within the 10's of GB's and cloud probably
too small, and transferring data at 1 MB/sec or 400 KB/sec doesn't
sound like a lot of fun to me, so cloud is out, plus disconnect risk.

I have also been thinking about a "remote storage device" somewhere in
my apperement in another room far away from me, but only 2 kinds of
electric systems available in my appertment, it would share it's
powersupply with was machines and dryiers, that doesn't sound to safe
to me, and then I would have cable running through system, and
wireless is a no-no in my book, too scared of radiation ;) :) which
might be a bit silly because PC's give off radiation as well, but
maybe not as much as wireless signals ?!?

Another possible cause of harddisk death might be: cold related,
perhaps they ran too cold. Since the fans are now on low, perhaps this
will not be an issue anymore, and I will fasten any new harddisk.

So for now I think my best option is:

1. Buy one, two or three new harddisks.

It's tempting to buy three new harddisks in case another one fails,
but what if the cause of failure is the motherboard/controller ?!?
Maybe it's bios had bugs or so... I should investigate that somewhat
more closely because I can remember reading about problems with it.
Though to me it seems unlikely that bios bugs would cause bad sectors,
unless those reports are somehow fake/unreliable, for now I will have
to assume the bad sectors or real for safeties sake... buying another
motherboard sounds really tiring to me.

However for that kind of money I could also buy a new cheap personal
computer with new motherboard, new processor, new memory, new harddisk
(much smaller but ok), new case. It would not be as great as my antec
1200 which has huge storage space for harddisk and doesn't vibrate
sound-wise... I do kinda like my antec 1200 I will admit to that ;) :)
However perhaps it's a killer-dust-wise.

Getting a new processor for "free" in the process sounds kinda fun,
then I can try it out, but it also sounds kinda shitty, it would not
be a real/dream system, I would probably not want to use it much
because of it's tiny harddisk, however perhaps I can replace it's
harddisk with a bigger harddisk or the old ones. But perhaps the case
will be too shitty space-wise. The new system could also be a disaster
heatwise, or it might not.

Also where would I put new system... hmm... not that much space,
cables kinda short so it would need to be near me... I am not yet
ready to ditch antec 1200, also too much dust on ground... not good
idea on ground, so maybe a special little table for it... that would
be nice... so I should probably first buy or find a nice little table
somewhere to place it on, away from the ground, and it should be large/
deep enough to contain the pc. Also fridge probably has to go, it
causes electrical shocks on the power grid it seems... blue light
spark coming from wall sockets when sticking plugs into it slowly or
skewed ;) <- maybe me should not do it too slowly lol ;) :) kinda fun
watching the blue light sparks... I like nice light show ;) it should
not cause damage anyway, better to loose shitty hardware immediatly
then to build up on it and then later loose it ;)

Perhaps I should consider my DreamPC to be an "evolutionary"
project... throwing out the junk/dead crap... keeping the good stuff
lol... perhaps the antec1200 is the crap... who knows ;) So far I like
this blue light giving, somewhat dust sucking sturdy beast ;) :)

At least the cd/dvd/floppy disk/card reader is still working for
now ! ;) :) AMD cpu working too, CORSAIR memory chips working too.
ASRock motherboard working too, but I have my doubts about it
somewhat... it does react very slowly to pressing F11 during boot so
could be an indication that it's programming is somewhat shaky.
Status of soundblaster is unknown at this point, motherboard probably
has audio chip could try that... still have to figure out if video
cables can be used to connect it to receiver.

I also have my doubts about the receiver, perhaps coffee was spilled
on it by the store where I bought it... perhaps that has something to
do with it... but so far it seems to be working ok, so that hypothesis
seems unlikely. I should examine those pictures a little bit more on
my skydrive, and if I do ever get an electrician in house, maybe he
can measure it or something, but probably not so that idea can go out
the window.

For now I should probably figure out if it's possible to mount VHD's
somehow in linux/knoppix that would be nice.

I also wonder if Knoppix is maybe trying to use Nvidia audio device
which is something weird ?!? What the hell is that ? Does the GT 520
have some strange audio device onboard ? or is it perhaps some strange
nvidia chip on the motherboard ?!? It's quite weird how Knoppix
believes there is an nvidia audio device in it... windows 7 saw it
too... I should look into that... hmmm... So perhaps knoppix defaults
to using that instead of creative, but the creative is probably first
in list... I haven't tried to use soundblaster yet, too fed up/lazy
with it ;) :) sound is not a priority for now...

For now I think I will probably buy a new hd first, so I can get
windows back up and running and from that point I will see what I do,
though I am also a little bit fed up with windows but I also need it
to get more easily to me files and data, I think it's good idea to get
a second drive sometime and install a different operating system like
linux on it as a backup operating system and booting device. I dislike
how flash is missing from knoppix though, that's my dislike about it.
The web is not as much fun without flash. No flash, no fun ! ;) =D

I do like Knoppix though, it feels more like Windows XP then Windows 7
does ! How about that ! ;) :) And the browser feels almost exaclt the
same as IE ! ;) :) So for web surfing Knoppix is almost fine, except
for missing flash support :( ;(

For now I am going to enjoy knoppix a bit more though I do keep
worried about my data drive... hmmm...

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
Hmmm...

I just realized something, those guys running those data centers were
way ahead of their time.

I think I am going to adept to their method of operating and it makes
sense I just thought about it, here is there system/method from what I
can remember, I shall dive into my report later on to see more
details, but there method from what I can remember was basically this:

Three systems are needed for reliable operating:

1. A test system, to test hardware and software changes.
2. A production system.
3. A backup system.

When you think about it it makes sense, two systems are simply not
enough, because testing should not be done on the production system
which should be reliable, if a test fails the production system is
fokked, and the backup system might be a bit old, and the production
system goes down.

They probably had even a fourth system, which was a duplication of the
production system, to more easily do maintaince and switch easily, I
shall consult my report to see what the hell they were doing, but this
idea of "tripple redundancy" is kinda interesting:

1. Use test system to test new software and new patches.
2. Incoorporate those into production system if ok.
3. Make regular backup of production system to backup system.

This way if any system fails, it's not a problem, and use other
systems to get backup quickly.

So maybe it's better if I buy 3 cheap PC's and apply extra work and
time, just to make sure I always have a reliable system to work and
test out... but if all die rapidly after each other then that's bit of
a shit.

I see one little "problem/expense" with this idea: having to have 3
hardware systems, while that's nice it also seems a bit excessive but
then again not really...

Where my pain is mostly feld is with software system... setting up
software systems requires a lot of time... many months really.

Though selecting hardware can also take one or two months.

Also software systems go lost forever, and hardware systems are not
produced anymore.

But software systems can be saved by virtualization and if preserved
properly could last a long time.

So perhaps a single computer with three harddisks might do... but not
really if memory corruption happens.

So perhaps 3 seperate PC's still best, but then how to know if all 3
hardware systems are working properly ?!? This does require some more
testing ! LOL ;) :)

All in all not a too bad idea, but if all three systems on my table
and I smacked my table, all three could have bad sectors.

Oh by the way... Knoppix has something interesting, it has a tool
which can read "SMART" info from harddisk.

It can show how many bad sectors there are... and it did show that one
of the 2 TB drives had 300+ bad sectors.

I wonder about the other two disconnected drives, so I will connect
those and use Knoppix to look at those drives, that will be most
interesting to see if one or both of them bad too... most
interesting ! ;)

I do wonder if perhaps smart data could be wrong though because of
motherboard/bios bugs but perhaps not ?!?

Perhaps "three seperate tables too" !

Anyway these data centers had 3 bunkers seperated across the land ! ;)
=D (<- fiber optics connected I think it was ! ;))

Maybe I should do that too ! LOL.

Bye,
Skybuck =D
 
Hmm that's funny they had 5 systems: 2 for production, 1 for
development, 1 for installation, 1 for acceptance.

Each system had it's own virtualization stuff on it, so these seem to
be 5 different hardware systems ?! hmm... ;)

Oh well,

I kinda like my "tripple redundancy" idea/system :) it should be
enough.

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
Thank god,

The soundblaster is alive and well.

My DreamPC is one bad fighting machine !

It's fighting against it's own DEATH !

It has resurrected itself !

I connected all 4 harddisks, I also ran some Microsoft Repair tool from the
harddisk itself.

It mentioned it did not ran completely successfull it mentioned it did not
find a boot manager, it mentioned an OSFailOver or something.

I send the report data to Microsoft for further improvement.

Today I boot the computer and I forgot to press F11 to boot from Knoppix
DVD... and amazingly Windows 7 came back alive !

Apperently enough bad sectors have been repaired so it can now function
properly.

It's pretty damn amazing.

However I have experiences with machine deaths lol... and I know it could be
a fluke of luck ! ;) =D

So I am enjoying my music to the max at the moment ! LOL.

Me so happy that the soundblaster still alive and kicking ! ;) =D

I am also convinced Hitachi harddisks are pretty good, they managed to
recover from death ! ;) =D

The first thing I am going to do now that my Windows 7 has come back alive
is to burn more Linux Distro so I can enjoy my Creative X-Fi Elite Pro 7.1
Soundblaster from Linux Distro's like Ubuntu and Linux Mint. (both debian
based.)

After having used Knoppix 6.7.1 for a few days I am now convinced that Linux
is pretty usuable, stable and has valuable tools which I don't know if
Window's world has an equivalent.

For example Linux has "disk management tool" which can read "S.M.A.R.T."
data from harddisks... I would not be surprised if there are perhaps windows
tools which can do this, so I will have to google that sometime.

However the nice thing about Linux Distro is I don't have to search and find
it... it's already there... However by burning a couple of Linux Distro's to
DVD you can't go wrong.

I think "LIVE CD's and DVD's is the best way for Linux to make inroads into
Windows world and try to lure away windows users". At least people can run
Linux from DVD and don't have to worry about it.

Maybe I will even install linux on a harddisk, but with Live DVD's there
might be no need to do that and simply continue using DVD's. So Linux could
be a second-hand/second-option operating system and I am perfectly fine with
that ! ;) =D

I also tell you the reason why I am going to burn more Linux Distro from
Windows 7 now that it has come back alive:

I CANNOT BURN DISTROS from KNOPPIX ?!? (Because knoppix probably needs the
DVD to remain inside... and I only have one DVD drive).

Perhaps running a virtual machine inside knoppix might make burning possible
but I don't count on that ! ;) =D

Today is a happy day ! I do feel my Dad felt sorry for me and shine some
light from heaven on me and make my computer work again ! LOL.

Bye,
Skybuck =D
 
The cause of this near death of the system (harddisk failing/bad sectors) is
probably:

Physical shocks.

Probably caused when I opened and closed the doors of the antec 1200 case
while the computer was running.

Especially closing the door leads to a little physical shock, to jam it
shut.

Other possible causes: bumping the table, or perhaps speaker vibrations,
speaker on tables.

I will have to be a bit more carefull in the future ! ;)

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
Probably caused when I opened and closed the doors of the antec 1200 case
while the computer was running.
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You are an idiot. A running hard drive can handle several Gs of force.
You closing a ****ing door doesn't even generate a half a G, you stupid
putz!
Stop making excuses for YOUR **** ups.
 
  You are an idiot.  A running hard drive can handle several Gs of force.
You closing a ****ing door doesn't even generate a half a G, you stupid
putz!
  Stop making excuses for YOUR **** ups.
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What does a side-ways shock have to do with g-forces ?

You should probably be looking at some other figures ! ;)

None the less, softly kicking a PC case gives about the same force/
effect: bad sectors.

You probably already know that and being an ass, but in case you
don't, do try it out ! LOL.

Bye,
Skybuck.
 
What does a side-ways shock have to do with g-forces ?
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More proof that you are clueless.
You should probably be looking at some other figures ! ;)
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You not only know nothing about computers, you also know nothing about
the world as well. You should go back to coloring books.
None the less, softly kicking a PC case gives about the same force/
effect: bad sectors.
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You're an idiot.
 
What does a side-ways shock have to do with g-forces ?
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You are an idiot. The term is a measure of acceleration rate, idiot.
Do a bit of research on vibrational shock and testing.
You should probably be looking at some other figures ! ;)
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You should probably actually know even basic physics before you go
'round in public attempting to expound on physics. That is the exact
term used by the industry, it does not have a directional vector.
Regardless of the angle you strike your machine, idiot, the force you
apply to the parts inside are measured as and referred to as Gs of force.

http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/pr...e/barracuda-xt-kit/#tTabContentSpecifications

Note that it can handle more Gs than you could give it, even if you
used a hammer to close the door. Other drives have similar specs.
None the less, softly kicking a PC case gives about the same force/
effect: bad sectors.
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You are an idiot. Someone should have kicked your mother... some many
months before you were conceived.
You probably already know that
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I know that you are an abject idiot.
and being an ass,
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I cannot help you with your personal identity problems.
but in case you
don't, do try it out ! LOL.
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The only "case" I want to kick right now is the bone case that
encapsulates the three neurons between your ears.

In your case, however, it would probably FIX many broken and mutated
sectors. You would emerge better off, as impossible as that usually is.
 
Skybuck said:
Hello,

My experiment with building a DreamPC has pretty much come to an end.

I am now fed up with it's problems.

The top 5 problems/killers are:

1. Dust
2. Overheat
3. Electric shocks
4. Physical shocks
5. Insects

For some reason the brand new hitachi 2 TB drive has failed according
to Microsoft Windows 7, it is supposed to have bad sectors.

Which is kinda strange...

Perhaps the motherboard is malfunctioning again and is cause of
problems. Perhaps it's windows 7 corruption but it also seems hardware
wise problem.

Knoppix live does work somewhat with the drives, Google Chrome is
weird and cannot post. Conquerer webbrowser can post, it warns about
invalid security certificates which is kinda weird.

The antec 1200 is bad case, the scythe zipang cooler was way too big,
the gtx 7900 overheated, the amd x2 cpu ran way too hot, some of these
components were on cutting edge, and some just bad.

Conclusion is:

Building PC is not as easy as one would think, there are dangers some
up above in short, many things can cause those dangers.
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My entire PC building experience couldn't fill a thimble, yet things still
fit, are cutting edge, don't overheat ( http://tinyurl.com/3ca3fme ) and the
building process for me is straightforward but slow. Oh, so slow... I do
do quite a bit of reading about a component in order to evaluate its form,
fit and function. This is maybe the area where you need to put more effort
into, aside from cleaning out the debris from your PC more often. But
electric shocks??? Really? You shouldn't be fiddling with the internals
that are not meant to be fiddled with when the power is on.

Tony.
 
This is maybe the area where you need to put more effort
into, aside from cleaning out the debris from your PC more often. But
electric shocks??? Really? You shouldn't be fiddling with the internals
that are not meant to be fiddled with when the power is on.
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The rest of us wish StyFart wouldn't even touch his computer.

He's been breaking things continuously since about 2003, then coming
into forums and newsgroups *everywhere* to complain and/or come up with
bizarre theories on why stuff breaks.

--
"Shit this is it, all the pieces do fit.
We're like that crazy old man jumping
out of the alleyway with a baseball bat,
saying, "Remember me motherfucker?"
Jim “Dandy” Mangrum
 
The rest of us wish StyFart wouldn't even touch his computer.

He's been breaking things continuously since about 2003, then coming
into forums and newsgroups *everywhere* to complain and/or come up with
bizarre theories on why stuff breaks.
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I personally don't care how much he touches his computer. Anyone who
boasts about such a level of incompetence surely should not be taken
seriously. It sounds to me like he and his computer deserve each other.
I just wish people wouldn't respond to him and quote his posts. That
way, my filters don't have to work overtime and I'll never see his
pathetic attempts to operate a computer.

Just filter him from your life and forget about him.
 
Lol,

Apperently you are the only idiot in the world who actually needs a manual
to damage harddisk, congratulations idiot ! ;)

Bye,
Skybuck =D
 
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