Does warranty reflect quality?

[Folkert Rienstra]

I also remember the ST225 (20mb). Thump it once and buy a new one...
Good old Seagate. We used to use the RLL controllers to get that
whopping 30mb out of it...

But, I when I mentioned half height

You didn't.

I do that for many of the people currently think that normal height is
the 1" IDE...

As to 'normal', yes, that is 1" currently.

So that still leaves us in the dark on what you meant by
"But still, those drives that had the 3 year warranty
have less heat (as they are not those 1/2 tall drives).

So, are you saying that there currently are .5" height drives on the market?
You must have because IDE doesn't come in 1.6".

Come to think about it I still have some old 300mb drives that work.
They were IBM (where's that quality now) and they had a 5 year
warranty.

Which begs the subject again.

After we first clearly establish what we are talking about.

 

[anonymous]

Many newer tower cases have space for 3-5 HDs mounted at the very bottom
with one or two fans directly in front. This is the only type of case I'd
buy from now on. This eliminates the need for any add-on HD cooler that can
cost as much as the case.



You should install DTemp and see exactly what the temperatures are for the
drives that support S.M.A.R.T and a temp reading (WD doesn't). With proper
cooling it should be easy to keep the idle temp under 35C and under 45C
maximum.
http://private.peterlink.ru/tochinov/

For poorly designed cases, adding an HD cooler of this type can help a lot.
http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/cooling/drive/bay-cool/index_bc3.htm

I've got an old Inwin tower case with a single high mounted exhaust
fan that has vents in front of the hard drives behind the plastic
front cover. It sucks in air at the bottom of the front cover. A good
amount of dust build up showed they actually work. I taped up some
excessive side vents and other air leaks to increase the airflow
through the disk drive vents when I went to 7200 drives.

 

[Gary Smith]

I do that for many of the people currently think that normal height is

As to 'normal', yes, that is 1" currently.

Normal, yes, 1". These cheap ass drives I'm mentioning from Maxtor
are 5/8" are the ones that I'm talking about. I say that because
people new to the industry of upgrading their own computers think that
a 1" drive is a full height drive, which clearly if you were in the
industry for some time you know that it is not.

So, are you saying that there currently are .5" height drives on the market?
You must have because IDE doesn't come in 1.6".

And yes, they do make drives less that 1" in height. Basically all of
the 1 year warranty drives that run at 7200 rpm's by Maxtor fall under
this category. Maybe it's not exactly 1/2 of the size of the existing
IDE's but it's not the full size standard IDE found in most systems.

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

Normal, yes, 1". These cheap ass drives I'm mentioning from Maxtor
are 5/8" are the ones that I'm talking about.

Aha! Thanks for clearing that up because I think that present company wasn't
aware of that.

I say that because people new to the industry of upgrading their own
computers think that a 1" drive is a full height drive, which clearly

if you were in the industry for some time you know that it is not.

Unfortunately that doesn't protect us from not being 100% on top of things,
all of the time, as it turns out.

 

[J.Clarke]

Gary, I was just informed that IBM has issued a service bulletin
regarding early failures on Maxtor 10, 20, 30, and 40 GB drives
manufactured between OCT 2002 and APR 2003. The IBM FRUs are 19K1607,
24P3780, 19K1567, and 24P3782--not sure how to cross-reference those to
Maxtor model numbers. I don't have a link for that or a document
number--it was word of mouth offline. But I would bet that that is what
you are seeing.


On 16 Nov 2003 12:59:26 -0800

 

[Felix Miata]

What do you mean by "1/2 tall drives"? Current production 3.5 inch
drives come in two form factors, "half height" which is 1.6 inches
thick, and"low profile" which is 1 inch thick.

You haven't seen the latest single platter Hitachi drives. I needed no
ruler to tell that the one that replaced my dead 40G IBM last month was
distinctly shorter than all other '1"' drives I've ever seen.

All new ATA drives I've purchased in the past 2-3 years have fans
blowing on them, and they're all mounted to metal, not plastic. Failure
rate is about 60% within 2 years, 40% within 1 year, 20% within 90 days.
IBM, Seagate, Maxtor & Quantum.

I'm about ready to go back entirely to SCSI to get the 5 year
warranties. The failure rate on ATA is too much trouble, way too much
downtime and UPS bills.
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John 8:32 NIV

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[Rod Speed]

All new ATA drives I've purchased in the past 2-3 years have
fans blowing on them, and they're all mounted to metal, not
plastic. Failure rate is about 60% within 2 years, 40% within
1 year, 20% within 90 days. IBM, Seagate, Maxtor & Quantum.

You've either had very bad luck or are killing them somehow.

I'm about ready to go back entirely
to SCSI to get the 5 year warranties.

There isnt really a lot of point in 5 year warrantys.
Do you actually use 4-5 year old drives much ?

Samsung still have full 3 year warrantys on all their drives.

The failure rate on ATA is too much
trouble, way too much downtime

Yeah, drive failure is a real pain even if you're always fully backed up.

and UPS bills.

You must be doing something wrong there too.