Do I smell a revolution?

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Some folks may find this first hand information very disturbing. Its media vs People. A very good friend of mine who is much elder to me always had this to say about the future.

"This country (US) is asking for a revolution and it will come, common people are tired of being taken for a ride"

Take a peek and see what your impression is.

http://askville.amazon.com/People-s...x=1&filter=QuestionsOnly&profileUserId=528093
 
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Yes and all over the world, ordinary people have had enough of being turned over by the banks, big corporations, the very wealthy and governments as they were in the 1920's and 30's but feel more empowered now now than they were then. Because it is we who provide the wealth that the 1% have and now it is we that will have to pay in taxes to put things right whilst the wealthy invest in the tax havens like the Channel Isles etc. There is an on going sit in going on in London small but growing and young people from the North of England reinacting the 1920's Jarrow March fed up with being unemployed and not being able to find employment. If am banned for my comments I sorry but that is as I feel.
 
bootneck02 said:
Yes and all over the world, ordinary people have had enough of being turned over by the banks, big corporations, the very wealthy and governments as they were in the 1920's and 30's but feel more empowered now now than they were then. Because it is we who provide the wealth that the 1% have and now it is we that will have to pay in taxes to put things right whilst the wealthy invest in the tax havens like the Channel Isles etc. There is an on going sit in going on in London small but growing and young people from the North of England reinacting the 1920's Jarrow March fed up with being unemployed and not being able to find employment. If am banned for my comments I sorry but that is as I feel.
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You bootneck are very, very correct in you're statement
 
nobody here gets 'banned' for their political beliefs, Floppy is still here and he voices his opinions often :wave:, however, politics are not the main agenda of this forum ... if you really wanna be heard, go shoot your local MP, I'm sure he won't notice being really dead. :)


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muckshifter said:
nobody here gets 'banned' for their political beliefs, Floppy is still here and he voices his opinions often
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I do, I do, I know, but I try really hard to be a commentator, almost non-partial, and attempt to draw learned comment without flaming.

Seem to have got away with it so far yet I know I do push the boat out sometimes.

It's possible I get away with it because at this stage in life I am apolitical, I've sussed they're all rotten.

Considering my moderator status perhaps it's a luxury I should not afford myself, dunno.

Revolution? As old as mankind itself, here's a link I truly believe in. The link is offensive (maybe to some) and contains cuss words but imo this fella tells it just like it is:

 
floppybootstomp said:
I do, I do, I know, but I try really hard to be a commentator, almost non-partial, and attempt to draw learned comment without flaming.

Seem to have got away with it so far yet I know I do push the boat out sometimes.

It's possible I get away with it because at this stage in life I am apolitical, I've sussed they're all rotten.

Considering my moderator status perhaps it's a luxury I should not afford myself, dunno.

Revolution? As old as mankind itself, here's a link I truly believe in. The link is offensive (maybe to some) and contains cuss words but imo this fella tells it just like it is:

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Only took me 34 years of my life to come to the conclusion that they are all rotten and nothing will change!

That George guy seems to have it all down pat too..

Revolution just another word for negotiation isn't it! :D
 
crazylegs said:
Revolution just another word for negotiation isn't it! :D
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Um... yeah. Add (amount x) bloody noses, (amount y) random incarcerations, (amount z) dead bodies... oh, and the boilerplate demand (cancellation of debt and redistribution of property) to negotiation and presto! A revolution.


A good read: David Graeber: Debt: The first five thousand years

Interview (C-SPAN video)


A voice from the year 1867: In its beginnings, the credit system sneaks in as a modest helper of accumulation and draws by invisible threads the money resources scattered all over the surface of society into the hands of individual or associated capitalists. But soon it becomes a new and formidable weapon in the competitive struggle, and finally it transforms itself into an immense social mechanism for the centralisation of capitals.


Yup, Marx. Not Groucho, the other one. His analysis was solid -- unfortunately his suggestions for a better, fairer future were not.




Nah... I am too old for that crap. Here is my approach:

 
A revolution could not happen in this country.

The population have been de-politicised and know that regardless of what the electorate want, the politicians will do whatever they choose, the corporations will not pay any tax and the financial sector will tell the government what to do and when to do it.

On top of that, the people in this country pride themselves on being stupid. If you go to Holland for example, they encourage and respect intellectual pursuit. Here you are only respected if you have been on TV or if you are a footballer.

Nothing will happen, and we will continue to be ignored. Money is all that is important in government these days, there is no political conviction, ideal or aim. All politics is is the pursuit of a second term by saying whatever is necessary and then doing as little as possible to change the status quo to offend as few as possible and take as few risks as possible.
 
PotGuy said:
A revolution could not happen in this country.
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Hmm, mebbe, mebbe not.

Look at the poll tax riots 21 years ago, that was sort of a mini revolution. Lots of violence, results achieved - yay!

Let us analyse the results of the 'revolution'.

Riots ensued, property, police horses and policemen damaged. Parliament sits up, takes notice, announces poll tax to be scrapped - nation gives a big collective girly grin.

Some months later poll tax replacement announced - council tax. Careful analysis of council tax reveals most members of the populace will in fact pay more than they would have done under the poll tax.

Reaction of populace? Nothing, nowt, zilch, Joe Public wanders around comatose and drugged into a state of sedation by the media, not realising they have been royally shafted.

Ya cannae win, Jimmy, those redcoats are evil.....

Molly Malone sings.... 'Oh it's the rich wot gets the pleasure, it's the poor wot takes the blame.....' And so it shall ever be.

As long as we have our 'freedom' to get drunk down the pub every Friday and have two weeks holiday in Spain every year, apathy will rule.
 
Oh so Bitter and so right FBS and do we care dam right we care. Take our move into the Common Market now the EEC, from EFTA which was a free market were we told at the time by the politicians at the time that hidden in the treaty that the eventual aim was a United States of Europe, no the parliament at the time nether side for or against told the population that was the eventual aim if they had we wouldn't be in it we all thought we were moving into a larger Free trade group. Which ever party you vote for they do not care a dam about the little people who put them there only themselves.

Trouble is should we have a revolution the leaders of the revolution become greedy and you are then back to square one, greedy, lying politician's who are out for them selves, so back to square one. So we the little people are buggered whatever we do. I guess the only thing left is to not vote, but if we do that we would have a parliament without illegitimate support in other words a dictatorship so we are all buggered.
So what is the solution the rich get richer and the poor get poorer as it has always been and nothing rely changes. Such is life.:cry:
 
floppybootstomp said:
Look at the poll tax riots 21 years ago, that was sort of a mini revolution. Lots of violence, results achieved - yay!

Let us analyse the results of the 'revolution'.

Riots ensued, property, police horses and policemen damaged. Parliament sits up, takes notice, announces poll tax to be scrapped - nation gives a big collective girly grin.

Some months later poll tax replacement announced - council tax. Careful analysis of council tax reveals most members of the populace will in fact pay more than they would have done under the poll tax.

Reaction of populace? Nothing, nowt, zilch, Joe Public wanders around comatose and drugged into a state of sedation by the media, not realising they have been royally shafted.
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Interesting, that. Was it really 21 years ago - time flies, especially as we get older. Strange that there was no reaction to the Council Tax proposals.

Therein lies the answer to getting something which might be unpopular accepted by the public. First of all introduce something else that will definitely be unpopular and, when there are protests,scrap it and bring in your original idea. :D

Seems that the public can only manage one set of protests and then when they think they have won they will not bother to protest again.

The other thing is that most modern states have had a revolution at some time in their history and it has often been successful. Our own English revolution was the Civil War, won by the Parliamentarians and taking away the power of the crown. The US revolution was against Britain and was the beginning of the modern US state. Russia, China and France also had revolutions which define their modern structure.

Revolution is not a new phenomenon, it happens all the time. And will continue to do so.
 

I really don`t think that the protest out side St Pauls will come to any thing.
The government and their backers,that is the financial houses(banks etc) will just look on and smile at them as if they are naughty children,let them run out of steam and then just carry on. It`s like the inflation figures that have been announced today. Does any one really think it`s 5.2%? Every housewife knows only to well that it is well above that and has been for months. But government prefers to tell us that amount because it keeps down the payout to old people and people on benefits ect this comming April. All in all they will keep on with the lies and like suckers we are we`ll fall for it-------again.
historian
 
historian said:

I really don`t think that the protest out side St Pauls will come to any thing.
The government and their backers,that is the financial houses(banks etc) will just look on and smile at them as if they are naughty children,let them run out of steam and then just carry on. It`s like the inflation figures that have been announced today. Does any one really think it`s 5.2%? Every housewife knows only to well that it is well above that and has been for months. But government prefers to tell us that amount because it keeps down the payout to old people and people on benefits ect this comming April. All in all they will keep on with the lies and like suckers we are we`ll fall for it-------again.
historian
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I am with you historian
 
bootneck02 said:
Yes and all over the world, ordinary people have had enough of being turned over by the banks, big corporations, the very wealthy and governments as they were in the 1920's and 30's but feel more empowered now now than they were then. Because it is we who provide the wealth that the 1% have and now it is we that will have to pay in taxes to put things right whilst the wealthy invest in the tax havens like the Channel Isles etc. There is an on going sit in going on in London small but growing and young people from the North of England reinacting the 1920's Jarrow March fed up with being unemployed and not being able to find employment. If am banned for my comments I sorry but that is as I feel.
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But bootneck what is the alternative to capitalism. The Socialist system didn`t work. They promised the world to their people so long they worked like slaves and kept their mouths shut.Yes they had cheap transport,rent,heating but very little in commodities i.e no cars,unless you were a party member and very little food--some life. As Churchill said,I think, "Capitalism is a rotten system but it`s better than the alternative--socialism" (correct me if I`m wrong---ta) The big problem is with us humans,we are greedy and easily corrupted.
historian
 
Either capitalism or socialism, huh? Isn't that oversimplifying things to black & white, no grayscale, not to mention colours?

Pure "capitalism" works just as well as pure "socialism" did. Which is to say it does not work. If someone wants to admire the achievements of Ronnie & Maggie (& certain others), let it be for "winning the cold war", NOT for economic/social policies (or, rather, the lack thereof) they advocated.

Market-driven health care? Market-driven school system? Thanks but no thanks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model
 
Urmas said:
Either capitalism or socialism, huh?
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"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings.

The inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery."

W. Churchill
 
nivrip said:
"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings.

The inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery."

W. Churchill
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Perfect :D

(And this from somebody who doesn't think a great deal of Winston)

When I were a yoof I was actually quite passionate about politics. I know I've said it before but it really is all a waste of time and nothing will ever change. One comes to realise this with a certain amount of passing of years.

Today Cameron took a swipe at some nations receiving monetary aid from the UK for being anti-Gay and threatened to withdraw funds to those nations who insisted in penalising those of a certain sexual persuasion.

Nice touch our David, those political advisors of yours earned their bonus this month eh? In one fell swoop you've gained the sympathy and possibly the votes of the UK's Gay community and at the same time come up with a good excuse to make even more cuts.

I didn't actually realise we gave loads of countries financial aid, can we afford it? Seems odd, what with all the rather drastic cuts going on in the UK. And we still owe the USA about twenty trillion for saving our butts in WW2.

It's a funny old world, politics/schmolitics ;)
 
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