DNS Problem: Resolving ONLY the Domain

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I think it should as the W98 box will use the ISP name
server for Internet..local names are defined and resolved
on the dns he set up.

however, he has to change his nic properties to use the
dns as new dns, not the w98 any more..

he needs to specify w98 as the forwarder just as he had
to specify the w98 on this machine as dns before the
change
 
Hello from my trusted '97 desktop, which is now the only one who can use the
'Net AND my DNS server.

The strange thing is, this box here has DNS setup to use the DC and this one
reads both internal and external domains. So shouldn't it work on the DC?
This is insane! :)

This is her (the '97 model) ipconfig (Well, W95 has WinIPCfg):

Host Name: 4712.theDOMAIN1.com
DNS Servers: 192.168.0.2
Node Type: Broadcast
NetBIOS Scope ID:
IP Routing Enabled: No
WINS Proxy Enabled: No
NetBIOS Resolution uses DNS: Yes

Intel EtherExpress 16 Miniport
Adapter Address: 00-AA-00-A3-A2-2D
IP Address: 192.168.0.3
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: 192.168.0.1
DHCP Server: 192.168.0.1
Primary WINS Server:
Secondary WINS Server:
Lease Obtained: Sat Mar 27 04 6:02:22 PM
Lease Expires: Sun Mar 28 04 6:02:22 PM

Andrew Wilcox
Andre\/\/\/are

Kevin D. Goodknecht [MVP] wrote in message ...
 
I think the key is to use the DNS/DC as the DNS on the
DC/DNS machine.

ICS may not know how to send the query back tor the
DNS/DC for looking up local names as it is Internet
oriented.

without setting the forwarder on the DNS may work, if you
are using the default root hints. But you must use the
w98 as the gateway, so it can assist you DNS for
recursion on Internet names. But I would set up the
forwarder just to avoid confusion, making sure the DNS
knows what to do for Internet names.
 
In
the confused said:
I think the key is to use the DNS/DC as the DNS on the
DC/DNS machine.

ICS may not know how to send the query back tor the
DNS/DC for looking up local names as it is Internet
oriented.

without setting the forwarder on the DNS may work, if you
are using the default root hints. But you must use the
w98 as the gateway, so it can assist you DNS for
recursion on Internet names. But I would set up the
forwarder just to avoid confusion, making sure the DNS
knows what to do for Internet names.
Click to expand...

I agree with you here.

I would probably suggest at this time that Andrew purchase a LInksys or
Netgear DSL.Cable Broadband Router for around $50.00 and eliminate the Win98
machine. This way he'll have a more secure network and it's easier to
configure and administer since ICS is pretty much a set service without too
many configurable options, such as disabling DHCP with that fixed range it
creates 192.168.0.2 thru 192.168.0.254. You can even purchase the Linksys
version with a comprehensive firewall (about $75.00). Really nice unit. This
way you can get away from exposing a Windows machine on the internet and
inviting other issues, such as hackers, etc, besides the configurable
options you need at this time to run your AD/Exchange environment.

ICS is problematic when Active Directory is concerned. If you do purchase
the router, you can opt not to run DHCP on it for your internal machines and
suggest to use your W2k server's DHCP service so it will automatically
update your client information into W2k's DNS.

Dynamic Updates are actually a recommended requirement for Active Directory,
(unless you want to manually enter all the records from the netlogon.dns
file), hence why you do not have the SRV records in your zone (the _tcp,
_udp, _sites, _msdcs folders) which are a REQUIREMENT for AD and Exchange to
function.

Also, the current machine, thenew4850 at 192.168.0.2, should NOT be a DHCP
client, especially if running Active Directory and Exchange, which
apparently is what's going on. Using the ICS machine for DNS is partially
what's happening as well (as you and Kevin have already indicated).

Andrew, if reading this, I would suggest to statically set your DC/Exchange
machine to 192.168.0.2. Use only 192.168.0.2 on all your machines for DNS.

If you would like, I can offer to remote into your machine and fix all this,
but I highly recommend to purchase an inexpensive router as mentioned above.

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Ace

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I am on the DNS server again, I did "ping" on the desktop, got the IPs, and
now can use eBay, Microsoft and my mail.

"Ace Fekay [MVP]"
I agree with you here.

I would probably suggest at this time that Andrew purchase a LInksys or
Netgear DSL.Cable Broadband Router for around $50.00 and eliminate the Win98
machine. This way he'll have a more secure network and it's easier to
configure and administer since ICS is pretty much a set service without too
many configurable options, such as disabling DHCP with that fixed range it
creates 192.168.0.2 thru 192.168.0.254. You can even purchase the Linksys
version with a comprehensive firewall (about $75.00). Really nice unit. This
way you can get away from exposing a Windows machine on the internet and
inviting other issues, such as hackers, etc, besides the configurable
options you need at this time to run your AD/Exchange environment.
Click to expand...

I really wouldn't ELIMATE it, just probably make it a client. And one other
thing: me=dial-up.

This is an INTERNAL domain, not internet-hosted.
ICS is problematic when Active Directory is concerned. If you do purchase
the router, you can opt not to run DHCP on it for your internal machines and
suggest to use your W2k server's DHCP service so it will automatically
update your client information into W2k's DNS.

Dynamic Updates are actually a recommended requirement for Active Directory,
(unless you want to manually enter all the records from the netlogon.dns
file), hence why you do not have the SRV records in your zone (the _tcp,
_udp, _sites, _msdcs folders) which are a REQUIREMENT for AD and Exchange to
function.
Click to expand...

I do have the folders, they were populated when I switched the server to
itself for DNS.
Also, the current machine, thenew4850 at 192.168.0.2, should NOT be a DHCP
client, especially if running Active Directory and Exchange, which
apparently is what's going on. Using the ICS machine for DNS is partially
what's happening as well (as you and Kevin have already indicated).

Andrew, if reading this, I would suggest to statically set your DC/Exchange
machine to 192.168.0.2. Use only 192.168.0.2 on all your machines for DNS.
Click to expand...

Can I use the ICS as a gateway as I cannot access the internet if I don't
get DHCP?
If you would like, I can offer to remote into your machine and fix all this,
but I highly recommend to purchase an inexpensive router as mentioned
Click to expand...
above.

Remote in? You mean hack? I have SP4.
 
MY NETWORK HARDWARE:

Windows 98 SE (Compaq Presario 5700N-500): ICS, Diamond HomePNA-based
Ethernet connected to Linksys switch @ 10Mbps (no duplex), Conexant/Rockwell
HCF modem connected to BellSouth.net

Windows 2000 Server (Compaq Presario 4850): AD, Exchange, DNS, (inactive)
Diamond HomePNA-based telephone card, D-Link DFE-530TX+ Ethernet connected
to Linksys switch @ 100Mbps (duplex), (inactive) Compaq Presario 56K-VSC
modem connected to nothing

Windows xp Professional (Compaq Presario 2100 laptop): Network Bridge
connected to Linksys switch @ 100Mbps (duplex), Conexant/Rockwell HCF modem
connected to nothing

Windows 95 OSR1 (Compaq Presario 4712): Intel EtherExpress 16/16TP Miniport
connected to Linksys switch @ 10Mbps (no duplex), (removed) Compaq Presario
336-VSC modem connected to nothing.

Windows NT 3.1 Server (Compaq ProLinea 4/50): I plug the EtherExpress from
the 4712 in when I use this one.

Windows 2000 Professional (Compaq Presario 5700N-500): Diamond HomePNA-base
Ethernet connected to Linksys switch @ 10Mbps (no duplex), Conexant/Rockwell
HCF modem connected to nothing (sometimes connects to BellSouth)

Andrew Wilcox
Andre\/\/\/are

"Ace Fekay [MVP]"
 
In Andrew Wilcox <[email protected]> posted their thoughts, then I offered
mine
<snip>


I didn't mean to junk the Win98 box, just meant not to use if for your ICS
gateway, but sure, go ahead and use it as a client. Actually with AD, it's
*highly* recommended to use a static address (some articles out there say
you *must* have a static address for a server). You can still access the
Internet. Just manually set the gateway to be the Win98 machine. Just the
problem with the ICS DHCP services don't play well with statics since the
scope is the whole subnet and the addresses are given out randomly in ICS,
which you would be playing hit or miss with an IP. That's why I suggested a
router and turn off DHCP on it and use your server's DHCP services. I meant
by remoting in as in remote control for me to remote control into your
machine while you watch me fix/look at it. No hacking involved.



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Regards,
Ace

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In
the confused said:
thanks for the endorsement...
Click to expand...

no prob....
:-)

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Ace

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Sorry for the delay, now I'm on the '98 ICS box, the only one left standing
that can read newsgroups (Internet is fine on my laptop and '97 desktop, but
not MSNews.Microsoft.com), and here is the message that I've been trying to get
out of my outbox since 1:12AM EST.

Ace Fekay said:
In Andrew Wilcox <[email protected]> posted their thoughts, then I offered
mine
<snip>

I didn't mean to junk the Win98 box, just meant not to use if for your ICS
gateway, but sure, go ahead and use it as a client. Actually with AD, it's
*highly* recommended to use a static address (some articles out there say
you *must* have a static address for a server). You can still access the
Internet. Just manually set the gateway to be the Win98 machine. Just the
problem with the ICS DHCP services don't play well with statics since the
scope is the whole subnet and the addresses are given out randomly in ICS,
which you would be playing hit or miss with an IP.
Click to expand...

Well, now I was going to say, "I'll set the IP as static and put a gateway on
for the 98 and let you know what happens. :)". Here's the story:

I did that, and now nothing works. Nothing resolves. Typing IP's even tells
me "no way in heck". Did you mean use a gateway in the NIC properties or get a
Gateway PC (as in the computer manufactuer Gateway)? :)
That's why I suggested a
router and turn off DHCP on it and use your server's DHCP services. I meant
by remoting in as in remote control for me to remote control into your
machine while you watch me fix/look at it. No hacking involved.
Click to expand...

I was going to say, "If I have the correct software, go ahead. How would we do
it though? Can we go through the 98 box?" Here's the story:

What software do I need I'll do anything I need to get this machine running. I
had an MSDN through September 2003, if the software is in that, great. If not,
what's the price? I'll do whatever it takes to get your help I NEED this
fixed.

Andrew Wilcox
Andre\/\/\/are
 
In
Andrew Wilcox said:
Sorry for the delay, now I'm on the '98 ICS box, the only one left
standing that can read newsgroups (Internet is fine on my laptop and
'97 desktop, but not MSNews.Microsoft.com), and here is the message
that I've been trying to get out of my outbox since 1:12AM EST.



Well, now I was going to say, "I'll set the IP as static and put a
gateway on for the 98 and let you know what happens. :)". Here's the
story:

I did that, and now nothing works. Nothing resolves. Typing IP's
even tells me "no way in heck". Did you mean use a gateway in the
NIC properties or get a Gateway PC (as in the computer manufactuer
Gateway)? :)


I was going to say, "If I have the correct software, go ahead. How
would we do it though? Can we go through the 98 box?" Here's the
story:

What software do I need I'll do anything I need to get this machine
running. I had an MSDN through September 2003, if the software is in
that, great. If not, what's the price? I'll do whatever it takes to
get your help I NEED this fixed.

Andrew Wilcox
Andre\/\/\/are
Click to expand...


I'm telling ya, the EASIEST WAY to get this fixed and resolved, and it does
seem you're willing to spend some money, is get a $50 LInksys router.
Easiest!

There is no software Microsoft sells to do this other than the built in ICS
software. You can possibly purchase Wingate or Sygate, but for the even
money amount, a Linksys router seems to be your better answer all the way
around, and AD will function and so will everything else. Besides, with
Wingate or Sysgate, you still need to expose a Windows machine as your
connection device to the Internet.

Resistance?

From your responses, I have this strong feeling you are avoiding this sort
of device, reasons unknown. Believe me, if you would have had one of these
devices, you really would be very happy that everything is running as it
should be. Many of us use such a device. I recommend them for my small
clients with Cable or DSL. And the MTU issue is virtually nonexistant with
these things.

Another problem that you may be running into is an MTU issue. ICS with (if
you have ADSL) is known to cause MTU issues and some clients may not resolve
or connect to websites or anything else due to it, and as I said, this is
only attributable if you have ADSL.

A "gateway" address is the router address you specify in your IP properties.
In YOUR case, it would be your Win98 ICS machine.

I hope that helps and explains it for you.

--
Regards,
Ace

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Microsoft Windows MVP - Active Directory
 
Ace Fekay said:
In Andrew Wilcox <[email protected]> posted their thoughts, then I offered
mine
I'm telling ya, the EASIEST WAY to get this fixed and resolved, and it does
seem you're willing to spend some money, is get a $50 LInksys router.
Easiest!

There is no software Microsoft sells to do this other than the built in ICS
software. You can possibly purchase Wingate or Sygate, but for the even
money amount, a Linksys router seems to be your better answer all the way
around, and AD will function and so will everything else. Besides, with
Wingate or Sysgate, you still need to expose a Windows machine as your
connection device to the Internet.
Click to expand...

I already have Wingate, it came with the computer.
Resistance?

From your responses, I have this strong feeling you are avoiding this sort
of device, reasons unknown. Believe me, if you would have had one of these
devices, you really would be very happy that everything is running as it
should be. Many of us use such a device. I recommend them for my small
clients with Cable or DSL. And the MTU issue is virtually nonexistant with
these things.
Click to expand...

I DO NOT HAVE DSL I DO NOT HAVE DSL I DO NOT HAVE DSL I DO NOT HAVE DSL I DO NOT
HAVE DSL I DO NOT HAVE DSL


I have CRAP for a connection. I get 24600bps on a 56K modem because the ****
phone company said that this line is "for voice and fax, not data". I want to
get cable someday, but not right now.
Another problem that you may be running into is an MTU issue. ICS with (if
you have ADSL) is known to cause MTU issues and some clients may not resolve
or connect to websites or anything else due to it, and as I said, this is
only attributable if you have ADSL.

A "gateway" address is the router address you specify in your IP properties.
In YOUR case, it would be your Win98 ICS machine.
Click to expand...

I tried, it doesn't work.
I hope that helps and explains it for you.

--
Regards,
Ace

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Andrew Wilcox
Andre\/\/\/are

P.S. I DO NOT HAVE DSL I DO NOT HAVE DSL
 
In Andrew Wilcox <[email protected]> posted their thoughts, then I offered
mine
Andrew Wilcox
Andre\/\/\/are

P.S. I DO NOT HAVE DSL I DO NOT HAVE DSL
Click to expand...


Andrew, honestly I couldn't remember what you have because this thread is
grew so large, it would have taken me longer to read thru it then to just
simply ask you.

THE LINKSYS ROUTER WILL WORK FINE WITH DIALUP OR WHATEVER YOU HAVE. IT WILL
MAKE YOUR LIFE EASIER.

Otherwise, at this point, I don't know what you're doing wrong.

If using Wingate, you'll need to read up on it.

--
Regards,
Ace

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I know, I know, sometimes I get a little overboard with the Caps Lock key.

How would you plug in the Linksys router into dial-up? I was considering cable
internet at one time and read up about it...I don't remember there being any
way of connecting a modem to it.

Acutally, I -thought- that it was Wingate, but it is something called ICM.
Basically, I just have ICS.

Here is the list of network hardware I have posted before for future ref:

MY NETWORK HARDWARE:

Windows 98 SE (Compaq Presario 5700N-500): ICS, Diamond HomePNA-based
Ethernet connected to Linksys switch @ 10Mbps (no duplex), Conexant/Rockwell
HCF modem connected to BellSouth.net

Windows 2000 Server (Compaq Presario 4850): AD, Exchange, DNS, (inactive)
Diamond HomePNA-based telephone card, D-Link DFE-530TX+ Ethernet connected
to Linksys switch @ 100Mbps (duplex), (inactive) Compaq Presario 56K-VSC
modem connected to nothing

Windows xp Professional (Compaq Presario 2100 laptop): Network Bridge
connected to Linksys switch @ 100Mbps (duplex), Conexant/Rockwell HCF modem
connected to nothing

Windows 95 OSR1 (Compaq Presario 4712): Intel EtherExpress 16/16TP Miniport
connected to Linksys switch @ 10Mbps (no duplex), (removed) Compaq Presario
336-VSC modem connected to nothing.

Windows NT 3.1 Server (Compaq ProLinea 4/50): I plug the EtherExpress from
the 4712 in when I use this one.

Windows 2000 Professional (Compaq Presario 5700N-500): Diamond HomePNA-base
Ethernet connected to Linksys switch @ 10Mbps (no duplex), Conexant/Rockwell
HCF modem connected to nothing (sometimes connects to BellSouth)

Andrew Wilcox
Andre\/\/\/are
 
In
Andrew Wilcox said:
I know, I know, sometimes I get a little overboard with the Caps Lock
key.

How would you plug in the Linksys router into dial-up? I was
considering cable internet at one time and read up about it...I don't
remember there being any way of connecting a modem to it.

Acutally, I -thought- that it was Wingate, but it is something called
ICM. Basically, I just have ICS.

Here is the list of network hardware I have posted before for future
ref:

MY NETWORK HARDWARE:

Windows 98 SE (Compaq Presario 5700N-500): ICS, Diamond HomePNA-based
Ethernet connected to Linksys switch @ 10Mbps (no duplex),
Conexant/Rockwell HCF modem connected to BellSouth.net

Windows 2000 Server (Compaq Presario 4850): AD, Exchange, DNS,
(inactive) Diamond HomePNA-based telephone card, D-Link DFE-530TX+
Ethernet connected
to Linksys switch @ 100Mbps (duplex), (inactive) Compaq Presario
56K-VSC
modem connected to nothing

Windows xp Professional (Compaq Presario 2100 laptop): Network Bridge
connected to Linksys switch @ 100Mbps (duplex), Conexant/Rockwell HCF
modem connected to nothing

Windows 95 OSR1 (Compaq Presario 4712): Intel EtherExpress 16/16TP
Miniport connected to Linksys switch @ 10Mbps (no duplex), (removed)
Compaq Presario 336-VSC modem connected to nothing.

Windows NT 3.1 Server (Compaq ProLinea 4/50): I plug the EtherExpress
from
the 4712 in when I use this one.

Windows 2000 Professional (Compaq Presario 5700N-500): Diamond
HomePNA-base Ethernet connected to Linksys switch @ 10Mbps (no
duplex), Conexant/Rockwell HCF modem connected to nothing (sometimes
connects to BellSouth)

Andrew Wilcox
Andre\/\/\/are

"Ace Fekay [MVP]" wrote:
Click to expand...



Thanks for the inventory! :-)

Buy the Linksys router. Read the manual.

Basically...
Connect the Conexant/Rockwell HCF modem connected to BellSouth.net to the
Linksys router or I believe you can plug it right into the phone wall jack.
Follow the instructions on how to configure the dialup within the Linksys
setup screen that you access thru a browser from an internal machine. By
default the LInksys is 192.168.1.1. So Configure a machine for 192.168.1.2
and connect by http://192.168.1.1 and login with the default blank username
and 'admin' for the password. First thing you do is change the password.

Cable is even alot easier, and at $40 a month (or so) it's well worth the
aggravation of a phone line and slow speeds. ADSL as well.


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Regards,
Ace

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