Damn you, Microsoft - CAN'T INSTALL SP1

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Ok, there actually are a couple of drivers that might be the cause of the
problem here. I do have the RealTek AC´97 audio driver installed, but it
shouldn't be this one that is the source of the problem since I have a newer
version installed than the one that MS warns about (on your first link).

There is also an unknown device and two Virtual Ethernet Adapters from
VMware in this system that have been troublesome before, but they are
disabled. Can they still be stopping the installation of SP1?
 
Well I'm also running VMware Workstation (VM Version 6.0.3: Build 8004) and
SP1 installed without any problem on my machine (this machine was tested
with both the the windows update version and the standalone version and both
installed without issue.)

Of course it could be the 'unknown device' that is causing the problem. I
don't have any unknown devices in my device manager list so it is difficult
to pinpoint what the unknown device actually is. Even though it is, as you
say, disabled, the driver is still installed.

Have you tried uninstalling VMware completely, seeing as it has been
troublesome before?

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It is very important to install Service Packs on a fresh installed copy
of Windows. This will assure no problems. When your Windows is full of
optimizations (disabled services for example), many installed programs
or drivers and other changed settings, there are often many problems
installing Service Pack 1 on Windows Vista.
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Which again CONFIRMS Microsoft doesn't have a damn clue how to write
software properly. All their next to useless crap is severely broken
right from the get go.
I reinstalled my Windows Vista Ultimate and then installed Service Pack
1 without problems.
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Priceless, in that you don't consider needing to totally reinstall
Vista first a problem. Well fella, I got news for you. I don't have
time to constantly reinstall some operating system I paid hundreds of
dollars for.
And yes, driver can cause your problems or other tweaks you have made.
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Making system changes isn't tweaking. If Vista presents you with
options it should be smart enough to remember what the changes you
made as to settings were and none should have any impact on updating
the system. If they do, again you're admitting Vista is fatally flawed
if you need to reinstall the damn crap to avoid issues as a first
step.

What never dawns on the legions of foolish Microsoft supporters is how
deeply flawed Vista is. To follow the advice of 'do a clean install'
then only after install SP1, roughly a 90 minute job at least not
counting all the time and wasted effort to reinstall software and
again tweak setting to get them back to where they were is simply
madness.

Hint to the totally clueless. If you have to constantly reinstall
Vista that alone should tell you it is a pile of crap.

Take one of today's jumbo jets. It is a jungle of hundreds of miles of
wiring, hydraulics and complex electronics far beyond the complexities
of Windows. Would anyone not totally insane suggest anytime airline
mechanics did routine maintenance they would have to strip the plane
of all it's wiring and rebuild it from scratch to avoid the plane
falling out of the sky?

Of course not. Any such person would be laughed at and likely
committed to the nearest insane asylum. Yet Microsoft fans will
willing stand on their heads jump through any number of hoops and do
all manner of stupid things including blindly defending the stupidity
of Microsoft blunders. Amazing! That is amazingly stupid.

I never will understand how some are willing to bend over grab their
ankles and let Microsoft have their way with them time after time and
pay money for the privilege. Clearly a lot of the dim bulb squad
members never use their PC for serious things, how could they if they
spend much of their time constantly rebuilding and reinstall the damn
crap?

Geez people, wake the hell up!
 
Tell us how you really feel!

Adam Albright said:
Which again CONFIRMS Microsoft doesn't have a damn clue how to write
software properly. All their next to useless crap is severely broken
right from the get go.

Priceless, in that you don't consider needing to totally reinstall
Vista first a problem. Well fella, I got news for you. I don't have
time to constantly reinstall some operating system I paid hundreds of
dollars for.

Making system changes isn't tweaking. If Vista presents you with
options it should be smart enough to remember what the changes you
made as to settings were and none should have any impact on updating
the system. If they do, again you're admitting Vista is fatally flawed
if you need to reinstall the damn crap to avoid issues as a first
step.

What never dawns on the legions of foolish Microsoft supporters is how
deeply flawed Vista is. To follow the advice of 'do a clean install'
then only after install SP1, roughly a 90 minute job at least not
counting all the time and wasted effort to reinstall software and
again tweak setting to get them back to where they were is simply
madness.

Hint to the totally clueless. If you have to constantly reinstall
Vista that alone should tell you it is a pile of crap.

Take one of today's jumbo jets. It is a jungle of hundreds of miles of
wiring, hydraulics and complex electronics far beyond the complexities
of Windows. Would anyone not totally insane suggest anytime airline
mechanics did routine maintenance they would have to strip the plane
of all it's wiring and rebuild it from scratch to avoid the plane
falling out of the sky?

Of course not. Any such person would be laughed at and likely
committed to the nearest insane asylum. Yet Microsoft fans will
willing stand on their heads jump through any number of hoops and do
all manner of stupid things including blindly defending the stupidity
of Microsoft blunders. Amazing! That is amazingly stupid.

I never will understand how some are willing to bend over grab their
ankles and let Microsoft have their way with them time after time and
pay money for the privilege. Clearly a lot of the dim bulb squad
members never use their PC for serious things, how could they if they
spend much of their time constantly rebuilding and reinstall the damn
crap?

Geez people, wake the hell up!
Click to expand...
 
Alright, uninstalling VMware did it. Now, finally SP1 is in place... With a
CPU constantly running at 100% :-(
 
Having read a number of your posts you appear to have a propensity to knock
anything that Microsoft does at every opportunity. You have stated in your
own words that 'All their next to useless crap is severely broken from the
get go.' Then you go on to declare that 'I don't have time to constantly
reinstall some operating system I paid hundreds of dollars for.' In one
statement you call the Microsoft software 'next to useless crap', in the
next statement you clearly say that 'you don't have the time to re-install
the operating system'

If Microsoft software is such crap why do you have it installed on your own
machine? Why have you wasted hundreds of your dollars buying an operating
system that you find next to useless? If I had the same opinion as you,
rather than whining about it, I would remove the offending software and
install an alternative - maybe Ubuntu or, alternatively, go over to Apple
Mac.

You made the decision to buy windows, no one forced you to. Okay you could
say that the machine came with it pre-installed, well you knew that, so why
didn't you go to a retailer who would make a PC to your specification and
ask that an operating system not be loaded as you don't want Windows?

There are loads of people on these NGs that rave about Ubuntu. Yes, I've
tried it, and No I'm not going to run it down; it is an alternative to
Windows. There are options which you, as an individual, have full control
over. All you have to do is choose your product and stick with it!

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Having read a number of your posts you appear to have a propensity to knock
anything that Microsoft does at every opportunity. You have stated in your
own words that 'All their next to useless crap is severely broken from the
get go.' Then you go on to declare that 'I don't have time to constantly
reinstall some operating system I paid hundreds of dollars for.' In one
statement you call the Microsoft software 'next to useless crap', in the
next statement you clearly say that 'you don't have the time to re-install
the operating system'

If Microsoft software is such crap why do you have it installed on your own
machine?
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Are you really as dumb as you appear?

I like many millions of others over the years have invested a
substantial amount of money in WINDOWS SOFTWARE from other vendors. It
isn't that we like Microsoft, as you can tell I detest their arrogance
and buggy software. The point that zooms over the pointy heads of the
fanboy crowd is you NEED Windows to properly run Windows software.
WINE and similar alternatives simply don't work. Yes, I've tried. So
fools that suggest I change are just clueless to the realties of the
situation.

Any more damn fools care to comment, step right up. Unlike guys like
you that seem all too willing to bend over grabbing your ankles
letting Microsoft have it's way with you I expect them to deliver on
what I paid for. If they don't then they damn well better expect me to
air what's wrong that I can dig up as often as possible. With
Microsoft that's isn't a hard thing to do as you obviously must know.
 
Adam, one thing that Microsoft 'does not' have is it's 'way with me' as you
so crudely put it. Every single post that I reply to is for the benefit of
'you' the user, not Microsoft. Microsoft neither employ me, own me, or
anything else you care to mention. Anyone who thinks differently is
definitely in cloud cookoo land. MVPs are quite capable of voicing their own
opinions to Microsoft which, contrary to popular belief, occurs far more
often than you think.

I agree with your point that third party windows software requires a version
of Windows, but you seem to be forgetting that the third party software you
purchased was 'created' by a 'third party' not Microsoft. That third party
has ample opportunity to ensure that their software works with the current
version of Windows. If it doesn't then the third party provide a suitable
patch, if the patch doesn't work they bring out a newer version and charge
you all over again.

Microsoft offer to test all drivers against any new operating system while
it is in beta to ensure that it works; however, to do this the relevant
third party need to part with some cash to pay for the testing and final
certification. Many of the third party software developer's will not pay for
certification and testing. Whose fault is that? Not Microsoft's

Everything that happens on this Earth is the fault of Microsoft no other
company on Earth can be to blame, but Microsoft. Microsoft has it's fault
but it takes two to tango. All you are doing is blaming Microsoft, when you
should also be looking at the other developer's software that is on your PC.
One only has to look at the original poster of this thread. His problem lay
with VMware, once this was removed SP1 installed. The reason SP1 wouldn't
install was not, then, due to Microsoft but to the VMware drivers. If you
buy a new and the tyres loose their tread the first time you drive out in
it, you don't blame the car manufacturer, you blame the tyre manufacturer!

However, sadly, some people you can't convince; you are obviously one of
them, so I am wasting my valuable time even attempting to reason with you.

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Have you checked the processes tab in task manager to see what is using all
of the CPU?

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Adam, one thing that Microsoft 'does not' have is it's 'way with me' as you
so crudely put it. Every single post that I reply to is for the benefit of
'you' the user, not Microsoft. Microsoft neither employ me, own me, or
anything else you care to mention. Anyone who thinks differently is
definitely in cloud cookoo land. MVPs are quite capable of voicing their own
opinions to Microsoft which, contrary to popular belief, occurs far more
often than you think.
Click to expand...

Really? I've never seen any MVP in any Microsoft group EVER being even
slightly critical of Microsoft. I doubt anyone else has either.
I agree with your point that third party windows software requires a version
of Windows, but you seem to be forgetting that the third party software you
purchased was 'created' by a 'third party' not Microsoft. That third party
has ample opportunity to ensure that their software works with the current
version of Windows. If it doesn't then the third party provide a suitable
patch, if the patch doesn't work they bring out a newer version and charge
you all over again.
Click to expand...

The standard it ain't Microsoft's fault defense. <snicker>

Let me share a detail with an application I use a lot. Sony's Vegas, a
professional video editing suite. It is rock solid, rarely if ever
crashes and works very well with Windows XP and Vista. Since I'm using
an older version it worked perfectly in XP. When I upgrade to Vista,
Vegas still worked except for one feature; it's color corrector
filter. Under Vista the eyedropper tool while still capable of
sampling the color of the pixel clicked on and acting accordingly
shifting the color wheels to apply a correction it no longer lets you
draw a box to sample an area. An annoyance, since sampling multiple
pixels to apply a correction is of course better than just sampling
one pixel.

After SP1, a new problem started to crop up. Now randomly if I add new
files to the timeline as I'm editing Vista will throw up a nag screen
claiming it needs to shut the application down. This screen is
superimposed on top of the Vegas screen that if I could click on it
would at least tell me the CAUSE of the exception error. Nothings gets
written to Windows' Event logs so I'm in the dark and can't "fix"
this.

Now why this has become a MAJOR pain in the ass. Vegas is smart enough
to save a copy of open work files every ten minutes. Since SPI since I
have no idea if or when Vegas may be shut down only because Vista says
it has to I have to save my work every couple of minutes to avoid
losing changes.

Now because of Microsoft fiddling with SOMETHING in Vista in SPI, who
knows what, they have in effect BROKEN the application I use most
changing it from a rock solid stable application I could trust to
hardly ever crash no matter what to something I can no longer trust at
all prone to crash anytime for no reason causing me to lose work.

The more simple minded will of course blame Sony and demand they
"patch" their software. Smarter people know Microsoft is the guilty
party here making some change that may have fixed something else
without regard to what it is also MESSING UP in other applications.
Everything that happens on this Earth is the fault of Microsoft no other
company on Earth can be to blame, but Microsoft. Microsoft has it's fault
but it takes two to tango. All you are doing is blaming Microsoft, when you
should also be looking at the other developer's software that is on your PC.
Click to expand...

I keep wondering why people like you are so eager to hold Microsoft
blameless no matter what. It makes no difference how well anyone
documents any problem that clearly can be traced to Microsoft you and
others automatically and without blinking an eye always say, ain't
Microsoft's fault. I find that insulting to my intelligence.
However, sadly, some people you can't convince; you are obviously one of
them, so I am wasting my valuable time even attempting to reason with you.
Click to expand...

Reason with me? Making lame excuses why it can never be Microsoft's
fault isn't reasoning. It does show me you're just another mind
numbing Microsoft robot that can't think for himself.

Vista, like all Windows versions before it is riddled with all kinds
of programming errors, some of which only show up under specific
conditions on SOME systems. Would be refreshing if any Microsoft
fanboy just ONCE would admit that's true. That's obviously expecting
way too much, so I'm wasting my time documenting things that are broke
in Vista. Still is does show those having problems that they aren't
alone and often it isn't their fault, but is Microsoft's fault. Heck
even they admit it sometimes. Do spend some time reading Microsoft's
Knowledgebase where they ACKNOWLEDGE, yes, we screwed X up and it is a
known issue.
 
You are complaining in the wrong newsgroup.

Please submit your specific application issue here:
http://www.appreadiness.com/Lists/D...urce=http://www.appreadiness.com/default.aspx

Windows Vista AppReadiness: http://www.appreadiness.com/default.aspx

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Windows System & Performance

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John Barnett MVP said:
Adam, one thing that Microsoft 'does not' have is it's 'way with me' as you
so crudely put it. Every single post that I reply to is for the benefit of
'you' the user, not Microsoft. Microsoft neither employ me, own me, or
anything else you care to mention. Anyone who thinks differently is
definitely in cloud cookoo land. MVPs are quite capable of voicing their own
opinions to Microsoft which, contrary to popular belief, occurs far more
often than you think.
Click to expand...

Really? I've never seen any MVP in any Microsoft group EVER being even
slightly critical of Microsoft. I doubt anyone else has either.
I agree with your point that third party windows software requires a version
of Windows, but you seem to be forgetting that the third party software you
purchased was 'created' by a 'third party' not Microsoft. That third party
has ample opportunity to ensure that their software works with the current
version of Windows. If it doesn't then the third party provide a suitable
patch, if the patch doesn't work they bring out a newer version and charge
you all over again.
Click to expand...

The standard it ain't Microsoft's fault defense. <snicker>

Let me share a detail with an application I use a lot. Sony's Vegas, a
professional video editing suite. It is rock solid, rarely if ever
crashes and works very well with Windows XP and Vista. Since I'm using
an older version it worked perfectly in XP. When I upgrade to Vista,
Vegas still worked except for one feature; it's color corrector
filter. Under Vista the eyedropper tool while still capable of
sampling the color of the pixel clicked on and acting accordingly
shifting the color wheels to apply a correction it no longer lets you
draw a box to sample an area. An annoyance, since sampling multiple
pixels to apply a correction is of course better than just sampling
one pixel.

After SP1, a new problem started to crop up. Now randomly if I add new
files to the timeline as I'm editing Vista will throw up a nag screen
claiming it needs to shut the application down. This screen is
superimposed on top of the Vegas screen that if I could click on it
would at least tell me the CAUSE of the exception error. Nothings gets
written to Windows' Event logs so I'm in the dark and can't "fix"
this.

Now why this has become a MAJOR pain in the ass. Vegas is smart enough
to save a copy of open work files every ten minutes. Since SPI since I
have no idea if or when Vegas may be shut down only because Vista says
it has to I have to save my work every couple of minutes to avoid
losing changes.

Now because of Microsoft fiddling with SOMETHING in Vista in SPI, who
knows what, they have in effect BROKEN the application I use most
changing it from a rock solid stable application I could trust to
hardly ever crash no matter what to something I can no longer trust at
all prone to crash anytime for no reason causing me to lose work.

The more simple minded will of course blame Sony and demand they
"patch" their software. Smarter people know Microsoft is the guilty
party here making some change that may have fixed something else
without regard to what it is also MESSING UP in other applications.
Everything that happens on this Earth is the fault of Microsoft no other
company on Earth can be to blame, but Microsoft. Microsoft has it's fault
but it takes two to tango. All you are doing is blaming Microsoft, when you
should also be looking at the other developer's software that is on your PC.
Click to expand...

I keep wondering why people like you are so eager to hold Microsoft
blameless no matter what. It makes no difference how well anyone
documents any problem that clearly can be traced to Microsoft you and
others automatically and without blinking an eye always say, ain't
Microsoft's fault. I find that insulting to my intelligence.
However, sadly, some people you can't convince; you are obviously one of
them, so I am wasting my valuable time even attempting to reason with you.
Click to expand...

Reason with me? Making lame excuses why it can never be Microsoft's
fault isn't reasoning. It does show me you're just another mind
numbing Microsoft robot that can't think for himself.

Vista, like all Windows versions before it is riddled with all kinds
of programming errors, some of which only show up under specific
conditions on SOME systems. Would be refreshing if any Microsoft
fanboy just ONCE would admit that's true. That's obviously expecting
way too much, so I'm wasting my time documenting things that are broke
in Vista. Still is does show those having problems that they aren't
alone and often it isn't their fault, but is Microsoft's fault. Heck
even they admit it sometimes. Do spend some time reading Microsoft's
Knowledgebase where they ACKNOWLEDGE, yes, we screwed X up and it is a
known issue.
 
There are several processes competing for their share her, but mostly it
seems to be explorer.exe and iexplore.exe that takes the majority of the
resources.

Now I have also found a couple of errors in the Event Viewer which weren't
there before.

In the System log there are two entries that are coming back repeatedly at
least every minute...

Event ID 7001: The Remote Access Connection Manager service depends on the
Secure Socket Tunneling Protocol Service service which failed to start
because of the following error:
The system cannot find the file specified.

Event ID 7023: The Secure Socket Tunneling Protocol Service service
terminated with the following error:
The system cannot find the file specified.

In the Application log the following entry appears every 2-3 minutes...

Event ID 3084: Failed to load protocol handler Search.CscHandler.1. Error
description: No more threads can be created in the system. .

Any ideas?
 
Adam you won't see the type of post you refer to from an MVP in these
newsgroups (although you may find the odd one or two) Why? you ask. Simple
they would never get read by Microsoft. These newsgroups are not monitored
by Microsoft (they may occasionally take a peek) because they don't need to
monitor them. To post such 'critical' information would never get to the
right source. MVP's have ample opportunity to bring up problems both in
webcasts, podcasts, private newsgroups etc with Microsoft developers and
this I where the main critical posts are served.

It is a bit like working for a company and having a complaint. Okay you may
voice your annoyance with some of your colleagues, but to get anything done
you usually approach management via a structured line of command.

That is why MVPs contribute to these newsgroups. In Microsoft's eyes the MVP
are their 'eyes and ears'. By contributing to the newsgroups we can usually
get a feel for the most common problems and then, during webcasts and
private newsgroups we can pass on the problems that are occurring the most.

Considering we offer support free of charge the MVPs get some stick which
isn't really warranted. We are not super human and like us or hate us we try
our best to solve as many problems as possible. We (that is MVPs) sometimes
get it wrong and I am usually the first to admit if I have got something
wrong. We may not be perfect but I've been doing this for the last 7 years
so I've obviously got some things rights. Is it too much for us to ask
people like yourself to give us a break? Or maybe you'd like the job
yourself?


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Adam you won't see the type of post you refer to from an MVP in these
newsgroups (although you may find the odd one or two) Why? you ask. Simple
they would never get read by Microsoft. These newsgroups are not monitored
by Microsoft (they may occasionally take a peek) because they don't need to
monitor them. To post such 'critical' information would never get to the
right source. MVP's have ample opportunity to bring up problems both in
webcasts, podcasts, private newsgroups etc with Microsoft developers and
this I where the main critical posts are served.

It is a bit like working for a company and having a complaint. Okay you may
voice your annoyance with some of your colleagues, but to get anything done
you usually approach management via a structured line of command.

That is why MVPs contribute to these newsgroups. In Microsoft's eyes the MVP
are their 'eyes and ears'.
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You mean the deaf and dumb squad? The function of MVPs in the
newsgroup can best be summed up as see no evil, hear no evil, speak no
evil. If the "problems" are never even acknowledged how to you ever
expect to have any creditability?

http://granitegrok.com/pix/see no evil.jpg
By contributing to the newsgroups we can usually
get a feel for the most common problems and then, during webcasts and
private newsgroups we can pass on the problems that are occurring the most.
Click to expand...

I bet you actually believe that works. Well it doesn't. Microsoft
isn't listening or worse doesn't know how to fix long standing issues.
Take one for example. Windows Explorer. It's been a bow wow for years.
Why hasn't it ever truly been fixed?
Considering we offer support free of charge the MVPs get some stick which
isn't really warranted. We are not super human and like us or hate us we try
our best to solve as many problems as possible. We (that is MVPs) sometimes
get it wrong and I am usually the first to admit if I have got something
wrong. We may not be perfect but I've been doing this for the last 7 years
so I've obviously got some things rights. Is it too much for us to ask
people like yourself to give us a break? Or maybe you'd like the job
yourself?
Click to expand...

Being a MVP is like being a member of a street gang. You stick up for
each other. NO MATTER WHAT. While you may know another MVP is a jerk
and often mouths off here or is giving lame advice the "good" MVPs
ALWAYS remain silent. My guess out of fear they will be gang raped by
other MVPs if they speak up. The same us verses them mentality often
suffered by cops... who may know who the bad apples are but say
nothing.

MVPs collectively will continue to be seen as Microsoft butt kissers
as long as they NEVER openly or frankly discuss what is wrong with
Windows. They never do (not in public) and according most more
experienced users simply snicker at the typical MVP boiler plate
answer. The problem? A major creditability issue. MVPs especially in
this newsgroup have none because of a surplus of bad apple MVP's that
constantly mouth off here, the same small but hard core bunch of
losers talking down to those having real issues or just mouthing off.

I'll give MVPs a break once they actually do something beyond kissing
up to Microsoft and feeling sorry for themselves. Nobody forced you to
become a MVP, my guess you do it for the perks. Why don't you tell
people all the goodies MVP's get directly and indirectly.

At least when you see talking heads on tv networks like CNBC
recommending or knocking a stock they make a discloser if or not they
benefit from the opinions they're giving.
 
John said:
Adam you won't see the type of post you refer to from an MVP in these
newsgroups (although you may find the odd one or two) Why? you ask.
Simple they would never get read by Microsoft. These newsgroups are not
monitored by Microsoft (they may occasionally take a peek) because they
don't need to monitor them. To post such 'critical' information would
never get to the right source. MVP's have ample opportunity to bring up
problems both in webcasts, podcasts, private newsgroups etc with
Microsoft developers and this I where the main critical posts are served.

It is a bit like working for a company and having a complaint. Okay you
may voice your annoyance with some of your colleagues, but to get
anything done you usually approach management via a structured line of
command.

That is why MVPs contribute to these newsgroups. In Microsoft's eyes the
MVP are their 'eyes and ears'. By contributing to the newsgroups we can
usually get a feel for the most common problems and then, during
webcasts and private newsgroups we can pass on the problems that are
occurring the most.

Considering we offer support free of charge the MVPs get some stick
which isn't really warranted. We are not super human and like us or hate
us we try our best to solve as many problems as possible. We (that is
MVPs) sometimes get it wrong and I am usually the first to admit if I
have got something wrong. We may not be perfect but I've been doing this
for the last 7 years so I've obviously got some things rights. Is it too
much for us to ask people like yourself to give us a break? Or maybe
you'd like the job yourself?
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You're trying to talk on an intellectual, human level with a mentally
ill, drunken pig...LOL!
It'll never work. Just ignore the stupid, idiot drunken loser...he's not
worth the time or effort.
Anyway, the stupid sod always ends up shooting himself in the foot...LOL!
Frank
 
Well I'll give you one thing, you damn well like the sound of your own
voice. Keep swimming around that goldfish bowl of yours. And keep repeating
that mantra that's stuck in your head. Microsoft is bad! Microsoft is Bad!
You are so opinionated you are beyond belief. At least I have to option of
kill file, I'd rather not bother with the load of rubbish you spout. Go get
a life!!!

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John Barnett MVP
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Windows Desktop Experience

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Frank, I never thought I'd have to agree with you!

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Yep, good decision. I 'delete on server' all the trolls and the fools who
constantly reply to them. There are also a few key words they can't resist
using.
Where the message is on microsoft.public.windows.vista.general newsgroup
and Where the Subject line contains 'Linux' or 'Ubuntu' or 'Red Hat' or
'indows suck' or 'ista Suck' or 'FYI' or 'save Windows XP' or '[News]'
Delete it
and Stop processing more rules
 
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