Crippling Vista

[Pete]

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besides not everyone uses their machines the same way. why would a
resturant need all the features of ultimate when they use it to keep
track of their meat inventory

If a feature is available at NO marginal cost, let's not without it now!
-Pete

 

[John Jay Smith]

vista is crippled by design....
the worse windows version ever

 

[Chupacabra]

vista is crippled by design....
the worse windows version ever

Did Bill Gates pee in your Cheerios?

 

[Mark D. VandenBeg]

Well supported, logically based rebuttal.
Buy an Apple Mac, Pete.

 

[Bob T.]

Exploring these monopoly notions. I was taught illegal monopolies use
trusts and pricing strategies to price the competition out of business. I
have a free OS on my machine. It is called Kubuntu, it is open source and
cost nothing but the price of a CD and since I used a CRDW, I guess that is
pretty nominal. On my Vista installation, I have 3 free media players in
addition to WMP. Microsoft says they are assisting these other technologies
to run in Vista and they run without a hitch in 2K and XP. In Vista I am
using Firefox which functions perfectly and is a AOL/Netscape venture. So,
I can use alternative media players, I can install any codecs I want, I can
triple boot with a Linux OS.

I think the fargin monopoly is that people like Windows and the market
decides to make them big. The market wants the eye candy and the bells and
whistles. The market can go to linux.org and find a multitude of free
operating systems, some of them very good but here they come to get their
cheap beta and complain. I will have difficulty paying my bills this month.
Bill Gates is not paying me to write this. I have the knowledge to use
Linux, like Linux but like Windows a lot better and am willing to purchase
it and it ain't so bad being able to buy an OS that is scaled down for my
uses.

 

[Beck]

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As I said: All the "choices" come from one monopolist. Bad situation!

But that was always the case with Microsoft and operating systems. They
have always been the monopoly. At least people have a wider choice now -
better than just XP home or Pro.
If you are unhappy with Microsoft then go with someone else. Get a mac, get
linux. If there is not a wide enough choice for you then that is not
Microsofts fault, that is the fault of other companies not coming forward
with an OS of their own.

 

[Beck]

Well, I sort of agree. However, until some Linux flavor is as easy
to use as Windows- the monopoly will belong to Microsoft. Please,
don't tell me such and such Linux distro is this and that. I have tried
several and *none* match the overall functionality of XP. You want
to talk about choices- use some Linux flavor and just see what sort of
software choices you have. Good luck to the regular user trying to get
programs installed on Linux. Until Linux is mass consumer friendly-
the OS business belongs to Microsoft. Period.

I'll leave Apple alone, for now. Although, they are their own little
proprietary monopoly. Apple = cult, Linux = communism. That's
what I read at some blog.

Linux is a pain in the arse. They expect people to take it up and use it
but really quite often its not user friendly at all. Its getting better
with Ubuntu, but really they have a very long way to go before it is
accepted by the masses.

 

[Beck]

But don't you understand.... we'll be forced to buy basic and then forced
to upgrade. The only possible solution is for the government to take over
MS. Then we'd all be provided with an equal version.

How will you be forced?

 

[Pete]

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Well supported, logically based rebuttal.
Buy an Apple Mac, Pete.

Not really an option. I use XP at work, and have to take things home. Again,
Micro$haft has a monopoly at work. I used to own a "fat Mac" long ago, but
was forced to switch for practical work related necessity.
I would treat MS the same way we treat other monopolies (electric company,
water, etc.). I would either regulate or publicly own.
-Pete

 

[Pete]

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But that was always the case with Microsoft and operating systems. They
have always been the monopoly. At least people have a wider choice now -
better than just XP home or Pro.
If you are unhappy with Microsoft then go with someone else. Get a mac,
get linux. If there is not a wide enough choice for you then that is not
Microsofts fault, that is the fault of other companies not coming forward
with an OS of their own.

Neither Mac nor Linux are practical alternatives for my situation. MS has a
monopoly for all practical purposes.
-Pete

 

[Pete]

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Well, I agree about the N version for the EU.

 

[Steve Urbach]

besides not everyone uses their machines the same way. why would a
resturant need all the features of ultimate when they use it to keep
track of their meat inventory

Because the Database only works with Ultimate.

Application designers have Ultimate, so the make use of Ultimate
features. (Also stops businesses from using the cheaper,Basic version.
XPhome -> XPpro model)

 

[MICHAEL]

Linux is a pain in the arse. They expect people to take it up and use it
but really quite often its not user friendly at all. Its getting better
with Ubuntu, but really they have a very long way to go before it is
accepted by the masses.

Agreed. Until it is accepted by the masses, the software choices
for Linux will remain limited.

IMO, one Microsoft killer could very well be Apple. It has been
speculated many times, but if Apple was to release some version
of OS X to the general public for install on any pc- many users would
buy it. I would. I think the atmosphere is right for such a release.
Steal Microsoft's thunder by releasing such a product a month before
Vista is released. I can see it, taste it, and believe it would a resounding
success, and for the life of me, I just don't understand why Apple will
not do it. They'd still have those followers who would only buy Macs.
It would shock the computer and software business to its core.

-Michael

 

[MICHAEL]

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Neither Mac nor Linux are practical alternatives for my situation. MS has a
monopoly for all practical purposes.
-Pete

Well, Pete- the situation will remain the same until there is a
viable alternative to Microsoft. You want to regulate something
just because it is the biggest? Out of all the software companies
in the world, and all the throngs of people who work on Linux worldwide-
until someone steps up to the plate and makes a better OS that is
also user friendly- things will *not* change. Think of all the brilliant minds
on this planet, especially in countries like Japan. Why hasn't someone,
some company risen up and made a Windows killer? What are they
waiting for? You tell me.


-Michael

 

[Franklin]

But don't you understand.... we'll be forced to buy basic and then
forced to upgrade. The only possible solution is for the government to
take over MS. Then we'd all be provided with an equal version.

If government takes over it wont be in english

 

[Pete]

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Did Bill Gates pee in your Cheerios?

Actually, I've read a number of posts by beta/alpha testers that do NOT like
Vista, -except for the eye candy.
-Pete

 

[Mark D. VandenBeg]

Not really an option. I use XP at work, and have to take things home.
Again, Micro$haft has a monopoly at work. I used to own a "fat Mac" long
ago, but was forced to switch for practical work related necessity.
I would treat MS the same way we treat other monopolies (electric company,
water, etc.). I would either regulate or publicly own.
-Pete

Last time I checked, Pete, "Bootcamp" is free. I'm sure your employer would
happily hand you a genuine copy of XP so you could work at home on your Mac.

And Pete, just because a company is successful doesn't mean they are
screwing people or that they are a monopoly. Just because somebody figured
out how to do something a better way, why shouldn't that person reap the
benefits? Sam Walton started with a corner store. So did Fred Meijer.
Fred's doing okay (300 or so stores) but Sam did it better. Neither of
their success has come at your personal expense. Nor has Bill Gates'. I am
unsure as to why you are so angry with successful entities in general?

Municipal intervention? Who handles money better; you or the government?

You want an example of a company that truly is a monopoly, Pete? Amtrak.
No competitors. Isn't that the definition of a monopoly?

Mark

 

[Mark D. VandenBeg]

How will you be forced?

Pretty sure he was being sarcastic...

 

[Leo]

Apple wants to be a hardware AND software company. In my view Apple is the
real corporate greed machine.

--

Leo
Borrow money from pessimists - they don't expect it back.

 

[Colin Barnhorst]

Free and scheduled for inclusion in Leopard. It worked fine setting up XP
on my MacBook Pro.