C
Cor
Hi Scott M..
What gives you the right to say that?
Cor
What gives you the right to say that?
Cor
H
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
Scott M. said:
Did my last link help?
H
Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]
Cor said:
I would understand that the answer doesn't solve his problem if he would
tell us what exactly he wants to do...
F
Fergus Cooney
Hi Scott,
|| I don't need to be lectured by you
Hmm, not sure about that. If true, then we certainly don't need to be
lectured by you. But I covered all that in my previous post.
|| from reading many of your posts in the past, you come
|| across as arrogant.
Sometimes I do, at that. Sometimes I'm riding my high horse and sometimes
I'm on my soapbox. Other times?, well that's for you to judge. Could you tell
me of any in particular?
|| But now that you have sufficiently vented your pent up hostilities,
Yes, thanks.
|| I suspect you are spent and are probably nursing a glass of warm milk!
LOL.
). I nurse my whisky. The warm milk gets guzzled down.
I'm very curious as to what is so objectionable about going anywhere near
a tool. It seems that you are quite adamant about not saying. The bit I
The bit that I find so hard to understand is what is so objectionable
about going anywhere near a tool. [I'm also mighty curious as to why you are
seemingly so adamant about not saying.] Surely, if a tool comes with source
code, and maybe even documentation, the answer is there. You think of them as
tools to do it for you and you reject this outright. We think of them as tools
to show you how. 'Tis baffling.
Regards,
Fergus
|| I don't need to be lectured by you
Hmm, not sure about that. If true, then we certainly don't need to be
lectured by you. But I covered all that in my previous post.
|| from reading many of your posts in the past, you come
|| across as arrogant.
Sometimes I do, at that. Sometimes I'm riding my high horse and sometimes
I'm on my soapbox. Other times?, well that's for you to judge. Could you tell
me of any in particular?
|| But now that you have sufficiently vented your pent up hostilities,
Yes, thanks.
|| I suspect you are spent and are probably nursing a glass of warm milk!
LOL.
). I nurse my whisky. The warm milk gets guzzled down.I'm very curious as to what is so objectionable about going anywhere near
a tool. It seems that you are quite adamant about not saying. The bit I
The bit that I find so hard to understand is what is so objectionable
about going anywhere near a tool. [I'm also mighty curious as to why you are
seemingly so adamant about not saying.] Surely, if a tool comes with source
code, and maybe even documentation, the answer is there. You think of them as
tools to do it for you and you reject this outright. We think of them as tools
to show you how. 'Tis baffling.
Regards,
Fergus
S
Scott M.
Ummm. Because it was in response to your question: "Do you want a better
answer than this?"
What did you think the possible responses to that question would be?
Now, you are not only not reading my post, but you aren't even reading
yours!
answer than this?"
What did you think the possible responses to that question would be?
Now, you are not only not reading my post, but you aren't even reading
yours!
S
Scott M.
I am still looking into it. It doesn't indicate that tooltips are one of
the uses. I'll check into it more. Thank you.
the uses. I'll check into it more. Thank you.
S
Scott M.
Fergus Cooney said:
My message was posted to microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb, not Fergus
Cooney. You have a choice.... If you don't want me to lecture you than
don't reply to my posts. That would be just fine with me.
You're mental health is not important enough for me to search this NG for
examples of (I take it you know how to do a NG search, right?). I have read
many of your posts over time and the sum of them lead me to my impression of
you.
|| But now that you have sufficiently vented your pent up hostilities,
Yes, thanks.
|| I suspect you are spent and are probably nursing a glass of warm milk!
LOL.
Whatever gets you through the night.
I never said I was adamant about not telling why a tool is not what I'm
looking for, you did. The fact of the matter is that it is that my needing
to find this information without the aid of a tool/utility is irrelevant to
the question and the answer to it. If you are baffled, then I guess you'll
just need some more whiskey to get you over it.
F
Fergus Cooney
Hi Scott,
You say you give answers at times. Well I've been reading a few and it
would sem that you have a habit or talent for giving partial
information/answers. Still a bit's better than nothing isn't it. Oh, except,
of course, when you are the one who is after an answer.
I've just been reading a very interesting thread that I'm sorry I missed
out on. I would have agreed with you on a few points and disagreed on soo many
more.
Topic: VBScript functions versus VB functions, dated 18th Sep
I'm thinking that you were calling the kettle black just now. It would
seem that we both come across as arrogant at times.** Some of the things you
say to people are very insensitive. And you seem to have made a great effort
not to understand the other chaps' point of view. Yet you bleat on about not
being understood yourself.
Here are your very own words from the last posting in that thread.
<quote speaker=Scott Mar..">
My message is: "Be understandable or
you won't get the results you are looking for."
</quote>
LOL, What have we been trying to say to you all this time?
Regards,
Fergus
**
I know that I also come across as friendly, often helpful, sometimes more
willing than able, sometimes knowledgeable, sometimes ignorant, sometimes
humourous, sometimes childish.
There are times when I come across as stern and judgemental - you've had a
flavour of that.
I cover a wide range.
You say you give answers at times. Well I've been reading a few and it
would sem that you have a habit or talent for giving partial
information/answers. Still a bit's better than nothing isn't it. Oh, except,
of course, when you are the one who is after an answer.
I've just been reading a very interesting thread that I'm sorry I missed
out on. I would have agreed with you on a few points and disagreed on soo many
more.
Topic: VBScript functions versus VB functions, dated 18th Sep
I'm thinking that you were calling the kettle black just now. It would
seem that we both come across as arrogant at times.** Some of the things you
say to people are very insensitive. And you seem to have made a great effort
not to understand the other chaps' point of view. Yet you bleat on about not
being understood yourself.
Here are your very own words from the last posting in that thread.
<quote speaker=Scott Mar..">
My message is: "Be understandable or
you won't get the results you are looking for."
</quote>
LOL, What have we been trying to say to you all this time?
Regards,
Fergus
**
I know that I also come across as friendly, often helpful, sometimes more
willing than able, sometimes knowledgeable, sometimes ignorant, sometimes
humourous, sometimes childish.
There are times when I come across as stern and judgemental - you've had a
flavour of that.
I cover a wide range.
F
Fergus Cooney
Hi Scott,
|| My message was posted to microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb,
|| not Fergus Cooney.
Microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb is a newsgroup. Which one you post to
is your choice. Your posts are read by people. Which people read and respond
is not your choice.
|| If you don't want me to lecture you than don't reply to my posts.
But Scott, I have so much to learn from you.
|| > ... Could you tell me of any in particular?
||
|| You're mental health is not important enough for me
|| to search this NG for examples of
Ah, that's a shame, maybe not so much to learn after all.
|| I take it you know how to do a NG search, right?
Answered in another posting.
|| I have read many of your posts over time and
|| the sum of them lead me to my impression of you.
Despite being in some threads and even partial conversations with you, you
haven't been memorable to me at all until now. So I'm surprised and flattered
that you have read so many of mine, for although it's a public newsgroup, many
of my posts are rather specific to the person who I'm in conversation with and
I wouldn't have thought they'd be of any interest to you.
|| I never said I was adamant about not telling why
|| a tool is not what I'm looking for, you did.
The sum of your posts leads me to this impression.
|| The fact of the matter is that it is that my needing to find this
|| information without the aid of a tool/utility is irrelevant to the
|| question and the answer to it.
So you say, but I bet that if you had furnished more information right at
the start, especially regarding this irrelevancy you would not had offers of
tools. [Would you take that bet on? ;-)]
But on the other hand, nor would you have had half as much fun as you are
having now.
|| If you are baffled, then I guess you'll just need some more
|| whiskey to get you over it.
I'm curious about so many things. But I have buckets of patience, too.
It's more effective than whisky. I can wait until you tell us. But I also
know, of course, that you won't be able to.
Regards,
Fergus
|| My message was posted to microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb,
|| not Fergus Cooney.
Microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb is a newsgroup. Which one you post to
is your choice. Your posts are read by people. Which people read and respond
is not your choice.
|| If you don't want me to lecture you than don't reply to my posts.
But Scott, I have so much to learn from you.
|| > ... Could you tell me of any in particular?
||
|| You're mental health is not important enough for me
|| to search this NG for examples of
Ah, that's a shame, maybe not so much to learn after all.
|| I take it you know how to do a NG search, right?
Answered in another posting.
|| I have read many of your posts over time and
|| the sum of them lead me to my impression of you.
Despite being in some threads and even partial conversations with you, you
haven't been memorable to me at all until now. So I'm surprised and flattered
that you have read so many of mine, for although it's a public newsgroup, many
of my posts are rather specific to the person who I'm in conversation with and
I wouldn't have thought they'd be of any interest to you.
|| I never said I was adamant about not telling why
|| a tool is not what I'm looking for, you did.
The sum of your posts leads me to this impression.
|| The fact of the matter is that it is that my needing to find this
|| information without the aid of a tool/utility is irrelevant to the
|| question and the answer to it.
So you say, but I bet that if you had furnished more information right at
the start, especially regarding this irrelevancy you would not had offers of
tools. [Would you take that bet on? ;-)]
But on the other hand, nor would you have had half as much fun as you are
having now.
|| If you are baffled, then I guess you'll just need some more
|| whiskey to get you over it.
I'm curious about so many things. But I have buckets of patience, too.
It's more effective than whisky. I can wait until you tell us. But I also
know, of course, that you won't be able to.
Regards,
Fergus
S
Scott M.
Ah yes, the ability to take comments out of context....You should run for
office. I'm sure you'd do well.
office. I'm sure you'd do well.
S
Scott M.
What part of this you don't understand?:
[2nd copy of original post]: "I want to know how I can (not a tool) create
tooltips that appear as someone
browses the member list of a custom class I've created."
Well, it's actually a rhetorical question. We already know that you don't
know [not your fault, I don't know either].
The difference is that instead of being helpful, you've been nothing but
adversarial. That is, after all, the purpose of these NG's, to be helpful.
It's like I asked how the internal workings of a television set function,
and your response is: just use the remote. Thank you for the insight. I
don't want to tear a remote control apart to see how it functions (I could,
but I clearly stated that this was not the tact I needed to take). You
could have responded with a reference to the manufacturer [MS] or a
schematic to the product [.NET Framework Base Class Libraries], but no, you
decided to thrust your (clearly stated) unhelpful reply upon me.
I'm going to do both of us a favor Fergus. I'm going to filter you out of
my NG posts. That way, you'll be rid of me replying to your moronic posts
and I won't have to deal with your useless replies.
Thank you for your invaluable help.
-Scott
[2nd copy of original post]: "I want to know how I can (not a tool) create
tooltips that appear as someone
browses the member list of a custom class I've created."
Well, it's actually a rhetorical question. We already know that you don't
know [not your fault, I don't know either].
The difference is that instead of being helpful, you've been nothing but
adversarial. That is, after all, the purpose of these NG's, to be helpful.
It's like I asked how the internal workings of a television set function,
and your response is: just use the remote. Thank you for the insight. I
don't want to tear a remote control apart to see how it functions (I could,
but I clearly stated that this was not the tact I needed to take). You
could have responded with a reference to the manufacturer [MS] or a
schematic to the product [.NET Framework Base Class Libraries], but no, you
decided to thrust your (clearly stated) unhelpful reply upon me.
I'm going to do both of us a favor Fergus. I'm going to filter you out of
my NG posts. That way, you'll be rid of me replying to your moronic posts
and I won't have to deal with your useless replies.
Thank you for your invaluable help.
-Scott
F
Fergus Cooney
Hi Scott,
Cor said (referring to Herfried's post):
|| Do you want a better answer than this?
|| \\\
|| Again: Have a look at the implementation of the tools
|| mentioned before. Some of them come with source code.
|| ///
|| It seems that I 'm not the only one who does not understand
|| what you want.
My understanding was that Cor was saying something like
"You've had an answer. None of us can see anything wrong with it.
Surely it can provide a route to the information that you seek???"
You said:
|| Yes, I want a better answer than that.
|| Looking at a tool is NOT an <acceptable> option for me.
You couldn't say:
"No, unfortunately I can't use a tool because [insert reason]. It
would be great if someone knew and could spell it out for me."
No, you had to say:
You have to do MORE for me. What you have done so far is NOT
ACCEPTABLE!!
You went on to say:
|| It's a very simple question ....
|| That is not an answer to my question
Which is effectively saying
You are being NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
You also said:
|| Looking at a tool is NOT an acceptable option for me.
|| There are reasons why a tool won't be .. acceptable.
|| Browsing through someone else's code is .. NOT .. acceptable .
Three sentences out of nine where you reject all that you are offered. But
without any explanation. Do you not think that it might be helpful to those
trying to assist you to give them this information? Do you not realise that
giving something here might be <courteous>, at the very least?
Do you remember me saying that you were 'adamant' about not saying why.
It's no impression. You've spelled it out quite clearly. It's tempting to say
that it obviously threatens you in some way to reveal. That is, of course, not
what holds you back.
You remind me of a child who is hungry.
Child: I'm hungry.
Mother: How about some milk and cookies.
Child: No. I don't want those.
Mother: What would you like?
Child: I don't want milk and cookies. I'm hungry.
Mother: How about a nice omelette.
Child: No. Don't give me that.
Mother: What would you like?
Child: I don't want an omelette. I'm hungry.
and so it goes on.
How does that mother feel?
How do the people trying to help you feel?
Even now, Herfried, because he is a really nice guy, is trying to give you
<something> that you will find acceptable.
=======================================
Cor said (referring to Herfried's post):
|| Do you want a better answer than this?
You said:
|| Yes, I want a better answer than that.
Cor said:
|| What gives you the right to say that?
And I believe he was referring to the tone of your reponse which I have
covered in depth above. You, of course, were blind to the arrogance that you
were displaying.
You said:
|| Ummm. Because it was in response to your question:
|| "Do you want a better answer than this?"
Which answered Cor's question literally but failed to understand it. Still
blind.
And then
|| What did you think the possible responses
|| to that question would be?
I've given you one possibility above - Something which adequately
recognises the efforts of those trying to help you, and that makes some effort
in return. Unlike the child in the illustration above.
|| Now, you are not only not reading my post, but
|| you aren't even reading yours!
As I've noticed before - and you have demonstrated in several threads -
your ability to understand far underwhelms your ability to read.
By the way: Your choice. - If you don't want me to lecture you - don't
give me reason to.
Fergus
Cor said (referring to Herfried's post):
|| Do you want a better answer than this?
|| \\\
|| Again: Have a look at the implementation of the tools
|| mentioned before. Some of them come with source code.
|| ///
|| It seems that I 'm not the only one who does not understand
|| what you want.
My understanding was that Cor was saying something like
"You've had an answer. None of us can see anything wrong with it.
Surely it can provide a route to the information that you seek???"
You said:
|| Yes, I want a better answer than that.
|| Looking at a tool is NOT an <acceptable> option for me.
You couldn't say:
"No, unfortunately I can't use a tool because [insert reason]. It
would be great if someone knew and could spell it out for me."
No, you had to say:
You have to do MORE for me. What you have done so far is NOT
ACCEPTABLE!!
You went on to say:
|| It's a very simple question ....
|| That is not an answer to my question
Which is effectively saying
You are being NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
You also said:
|| Looking at a tool is NOT an acceptable option for me.
|| There are reasons why a tool won't be .. acceptable.
|| Browsing through someone else's code is .. NOT .. acceptable .
Three sentences out of nine where you reject all that you are offered. But
without any explanation. Do you not think that it might be helpful to those
trying to assist you to give them this information? Do you not realise that
giving something here might be <courteous>, at the very least?
Do you remember me saying that you were 'adamant' about not saying why.
It's no impression. You've spelled it out quite clearly. It's tempting to say
that it obviously threatens you in some way to reveal. That is, of course, not
what holds you back.
You remind me of a child who is hungry.
Child: I'm hungry.
Mother: How about some milk and cookies.
Child: No. I don't want those.
Mother: What would you like?
Child: I don't want milk and cookies. I'm hungry.
Mother: How about a nice omelette.
Child: No. Don't give me that.
Mother: What would you like?
Child: I don't want an omelette. I'm hungry.
and so it goes on.
How does that mother feel?
How do the people trying to help you feel?
Even now, Herfried, because he is a really nice guy, is trying to give you
<something> that you will find acceptable.
=======================================
Cor said (referring to Herfried's post):
|| Do you want a better answer than this?
You said:
|| Yes, I want a better answer than that.
Cor said:
|| What gives you the right to say that?
And I believe he was referring to the tone of your reponse which I have
covered in depth above. You, of course, were blind to the arrogance that you
were displaying.
You said:
|| Ummm. Because it was in response to your question:
|| "Do you want a better answer than this?"
Which answered Cor's question literally but failed to understand it. Still
blind.
And then
|| What did you think the possible responses
|| to that question would be?
I've given you one possibility above - Something which adequately
recognises the efforts of those trying to help you, and that makes some effort
in return. Unlike the child in the illustration above.
|| Now, you are not only not reading my post, but
|| you aren't even reading yours!
As I've noticed before - and you have demonstrated in several threads -
your ability to understand far underwhelms your ability to read.
By the way: Your choice. - If you don't want me to lecture you - don't
give me reason to.
Fergus
C
Cor
Yes
Y
Yan-Hong Huang[MSFT]
Hello Scott,
Thanks for posting in the group.
Based on my understanding, now the issue is: How to create tooltips for
class member lists in VS.NET IDE? Pleaes post here if I have misunderstood
the question.
As you already knew, this process involves XML commenting. For now, XML
comments is only supported in C# in IDE. Please refer to
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/02/06/XMLC/default.aspx for
details. A useful link of it is
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/csref/html/vclrfProcessingXMLFile.as
p, which is also introduced by Herfried.
For VB.NET, this feature is not supported in IDE yet. We need to developing
a tool to support it. A useful link of it is:
http://www.gotdotnet.com/Community/Workspaces/Workspace.aspx?id=112b5449-f70
2-46e2-87fa-86bdf39a17dd
The source code of the whole project could be got in its installation
directory. You could open it in VS.NET to see how it works. You could also
refer to it to develop an own tool by yourself. There is no formal document
on how to develop such a tool in MSDN.
The offcial discussion board of it is:
http://www.gotdotnet.com/Community/MessageBoard/MessageBoard.aspx?ID=3780
You could post there if you have any questions on using that tool or
reviewing the code of that tool.
Hope that helps.
Best regards,
Yanhong Huang
Microsoft Online Partner Support
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
--------------------
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!Subject: Creating tooltips for custom class member lists...
!Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 09:46:07 -0400
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!This is a re-post (as the replies I received the first time did not answer
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!
!I want to know how I can (not a tool) create tooltips that appear as
someone
!browses the member list of a custom class I've created.
!
!I know this process involves XML commenting, but that's about it. I DON'T
!want to look at a tool, I want to know how this works. I want to know how
!to do it myself.
!
!Documentation on this would be helpful. Namespaces/classes to look at
would
!be helpful. Tools that do this for me would NOT be helpful.
!
!Thanks.
!
!
!
Thanks for posting in the group.
Based on my understanding, now the issue is: How to create tooltips for
class member lists in VS.NET IDE? Pleaes post here if I have misunderstood
the question.
As you already knew, this process involves XML commenting. For now, XML
comments is only supported in C# in IDE. Please refer to
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/02/06/XMLC/default.aspx for
details. A useful link of it is
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/csref/html/vclrfProcessingXMLFile.as
p, which is also introduced by Herfried.
For VB.NET, this feature is not supported in IDE yet. We need to developing
a tool to support it. A useful link of it is:
http://www.gotdotnet.com/Community/Workspaces/Workspace.aspx?id=112b5449-f70
2-46e2-87fa-86bdf39a17dd
The source code of the whole project could be got in its installation
directory. You could open it in VS.NET to see how it works. You could also
refer to it to develop an own tool by yourself. There is no formal document
on how to develop such a tool in MSDN.
The offcial discussion board of it is:
http://www.gotdotnet.com/Community/MessageBoard/MessageBoard.aspx?ID=3780
You could post there if you have any questions on using that tool or
reviewing the code of that tool.
Hope that helps.
Best regards,
Yanhong Huang
Microsoft Online Partner Support
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
--------------------
!From: "Scott M." <[email protected]>
!Subject: Creating tooltips for custom class member lists...
!Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 09:46:07 -0400
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!This is a re-post (as the replies I received the first time did not answer
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!
!I want to know how I can (not a tool) create tooltips that appear as
someone
!browses the member list of a custom class I've created.
!
!I know this process involves XML commenting, but that's about it. I DON'T
!want to look at a tool, I want to know how this works. I want to know how
!to do it myself.
!
!Documentation on this would be helpful. Namespaces/classes to look at
would
!be helpful. Tools that do this for me would NOT be helpful.
!
!Thanks.
!
!
!
F
Fergus Cooney
Hi Yanhong,
|| using that <tool> or reviewing the <code of that tool>.
I salute you - You're a brave man walking on dangerous ground!!
Regards,
Fergus
|| using that <tool> or reviewing the <code of that tool>.
I salute you - You're a brave man walking on dangerous ground!!
Regards,
Fergus
C
Cor
Hi Fergus,
Good morning
Take a look on the old thread from 2 October, I think making a reaction on
it, is not wise.
(Herfried, when you read this, take a look too at it and have fun.)
Above was one of the last answers that came on the question from Scott.
But you'll really go under your desktop when you see the last answers from
Yan-Hong Huang and Scott.
Cor
Good morning
Take a look on the old thread from 2 October, I think making a reaction on
it, is not wise.
(Herfried, when you read this, take a look too at it and have fun.)
Above was one of the last answers that came on the question from Scott.
But you'll really go under your desktop when you see the last answers from
Yan-Hong Huang and Scott.
Cor
F
Fergus Cooney
Hi Cor,
Well done to Tian Min Huang!! He got something through despite using 'that
word' several times. And OP didn't bite!! Amazing.
Aaah, the world is a calmer place.
;-))
Regards,
Fergus
Well done to Tian Min Huang!! He got something through despite using 'that
word' several times. And OP didn't bite!! Amazing.
Aaah, the world is a calmer place.
;-))
Regards,
Fergus