Core 2 Duo - can I tell the difference

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kony said:
On the other hand, if the problem is that WHILE these slow
files are being indexed, you have another second task that
is being effected, it may retain it's responsiveness.
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Exactly. I'm dead in the water while this happens. I would
switch away for a little while. Sometimes CDRs can take
a *long* time to come up.
The only way to directly combat the sluggishness of the CD
or other slow storage is to use faster storage. "Sometimes"
the file format can matter, some types of multimedia for
example has shell support for determining resolutions and
other parameters read from the file, in which case if you
don't need these additional details you can look into
disabling the shell support for the features you don't need,
then the files will be treated as generic files with no
special abilities, beyond those of the application used to
actually open them in the traditional manner.
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Oh, I'd like to do that. I Tried to fine out how, once, but
could not.
 
Au said:
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:13:07 +1000, DRS scribed:
It's unstable, it crashes regular, it nags you to do things you told it
you
didn't want - for the 50000th time when you say no. You keep on being
asked
to verify the OS despite already doing so who know how many times.

XP is a pile of shit (moving completely to Linux soon).
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Hmmm, I've actually never had my Windows XP crash on me... I wonder if
you're installing some unstable driver or somthing?
 
Carlo said:
Hmmm, I've actually never had my Windows XP crash on me... I wonder if
you're installing some unstable driver or somthing?
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The most unstable part of XP are the drivers. But that it crashes
because of drivers speaks about the inherent instability of the base
operating system and its inability to recover from problems.
 
Rod said:
Wrong, as always. No need to tweak it at all.




Wrong, as always. My installations all ran better
than SE did with no tweaking what so ever.




Not even necessary.
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You don't really think you have enough credibility for anyone to believe
you, do you?
 
Merrill P. L. Worthington said:
Rod Speed wrote:
.... snip ...

You don't really think you have enough credibility for anyone to
believe you, do you?
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Oh, I'd like to do that. I Tried to fine out how, once, but
could not.
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It depends on the files, but to get an idea, look at what
shows up as additional information in the folder view,
columns available (you may need to customize the view
columns to see them all but the info is still extracted
either way), and right-click on the files to see the context
menu, and IF you are often looking at file properties, also
go into those and look at any further info provided beyond
the basics on every file (General and version tabs).

Sometimes a video driver adds things, other times a video or
audio player. You'll have to investigate those on a
case-by-case basis. Other things directly added by Windows
can be disabled on a item-by-item basic, for example video
file info extraction,
http://www.winguides.com/registry/display.php/1209/

A more generic approach would be to look at several at once
and disable anything you don't know you need, re-enabling
items again if you loose some important functionality,
though if you're going to do this wide-scale and on items
with functions you can't determine as "safe" to disable, it
would be prudent to first make a backup of the OS partition,
registry, or whatever method you felt most comfortable or
able to restore should you run into problems.... though with
the following utility example, anything you disable can be
re-enabled simply by running the program again.

http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/shexview.html

While these examples will help with files the OS is treating
specially, and possibly dramatically increase the
responsiveness of a CDR with video files on it (for
example), it still won't do anything about speeding up the
slow drives themselves. If you find you are frequently
accessing certain slow volumes you might consider putting
them on a HDD instead. Sometimes just copying off files is
enough, though other times you may need to rip an ISO and
use a disc emulator program such as Alcohol 120% or Daemon
Tools. These topics are beyond the scope of a usenet post
and Google searches should help to do that.
 
Merrill P. L. Worthington said:
The most unstable part of XP are the drivers. But that it crashes because
of drivers speaks about the inherent instability of the base operating
system and its inability to recover from problems.
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Uhhhhh.... Have you ever even toyed around with writing a driver before? The
following will lock up a Linux system cold (in a device driver)

while( 1 ) {
int a = 1;
}

that's all it takes... All operating systems are vonerable when it comes to
improperly written device drivers... It just so happens Windows has the
largest pool of them, thus the largest pool of bad drivers.

Carlo
 
......
That's what happened with XP. In the beginning nobody wanted it. Now how
many Windows users would be without it?
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I remember when Win95 came out. There were a lot of people who thought it
was crap and said they were going back to Win 3.1. I wouder how many of them
are still using Win 3.1?
 
altcomphardware said:
I agree with Kony that most users don't benefit from cutting edge CPUs
these days.

I'm not trying to brag or anything, but I have access to the following
computers:
1) 200 Dual core Intel Xeon 3.6GHz
2) 180 Quad core Intel Xeons (not sure about these specs yet)
3) SGI Altix
4) Pentium 4 2.5GHz

(1) - (4) are part of my university's cluster, which will be upgraded
with 1600 new nodes soon.

5) AMD64 754-pin 3400+
6) AMD XP 2500+ (temporarily offline due to CPU malfunction)
7) Intel D 805 2x3.33GHz
8) Pentium 4 1.7GHz
9) Pentium 3 866MHz

(5) is my work PC at college and (6) - (9) are part of my home parallel
cluster.
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No wonder college tuition is so high! :)

What are the disposition plans for the "old" PC's?
 
.....
I remember when Win95 came out. There were a lot of people who thought it
was crap and said they were going back to Win 3.1. I wouder how many of them
are still using Win 3.1?
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Obviously we're in a different situation today, the number
of Win98 and Win2K systems combined still running today,
exceeds WinXP systems.
 
kony said:
Obviously we're in a different situation today, the number
of Win98 and Win2K systems combined still running today,
exceeds WinXP systems.
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That is affected, IMNSHO, by the foul EULA and excessive hardware
requirements of XP (and W2K when upgraded). For most purposes
anything past W98 is foolish, with Linux available in various
incarnations.
 
General said:
How much RAM do you have in your system? I'm guessing not enough. Add
a gigabyte an I bet you'll see a huge improvement.
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Sorry, I beg to differ.

I have 2GB in dual channel in this machine and it still locks up for 5 to 10
seconds when I insert an optical disc. Same with every machine I've ever
seen running XP.
 
Carlo said:
Uhhhhh.... Have you ever even toyed around with writing a driver before? The
following will lock up a Linux system cold (in a device driver)

while( 1 ) {
int a = 1;
}

that's all it takes... All operating systems are vonerable when it comes to
improperly written device drivers... It just so happens Windows has the
largest pool of them, thus the largest pool of bad drivers.

Carlo
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Well, that's pretty stupid!!
 
Merrill P. L. Worthington said:
Well, that's pretty stupid!!
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Doing that specifically is stupid, doing that logically in a large complex
program accidently is possible and happens. Point is, all operating systems
are vonerable once you start dealing with them nearer to the kernel level.

Carlo
 
Carlo said:
Doing that specifically is stupid, doing that logically in a large complex
program accidently is possible and happens. Point is, all operating systems
are vonerable once you start dealing with them nearer to the kernel level.

Carlo
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OpenSource Linux has better drivers and is better tested than any
Microsoft O/S. Period. What you describe would probably not happen.
If it did, there would be a fix in a matter of hours. With Windows, it
would be a reported problem and a download might be available on a few
months.
 
Merrill P. L. Worthington said:
OpenSource Linux has better drivers and is better tested than any
Microsoft O/S. Period. What you describe would probably not happen. If
it did, there would be a fix in a matter of hours. With Windows, it would
be a reported problem and a download might be available on a few months.
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The kind of hardware you would have this problem with in Windows is the type
of hardware Linux wouldn't even support... I.E. cheap crappy hardware made
by companies looking to make a buck by selling the cheapest quality product
x (say digital camera) possible. If you stick to more reputible vendors you
won't have any issues, and if you do usually they will be fixed quickly
(like anything from nVidia). In the world of computing, yo really can't get
around the fact that if you try to buy cheap, usually you're going to end up
with some issues, no matter what platform you choose.

Carlo
 
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Nick said:
haha, I think all the people who suffered through the dibacle known as
windows ME were PRAYING for XP to come out. The smart ones on the other
hand stuck with 98 (as I did) until windows 2000 SP2 came out, then moved
to that until XP, and can proudly say ME never touched a single computer I
own.
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I agree. I stuck with Win98se also.
-Pete
 
Merrill said:
Being an average computer user and not a heavy gamer (only MS Flight Sim
2004 and soon X-Plane), will I be able to notice much of a difference
between my current Athlon 64 3700 (1gb CAS2 RAM) and 3800 machines (2gb
CAS2 RAM)?
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X-Plane seems to be CPU bound (from the X-Plane newsgroups), so you
should see an improvement. Not sure about FS2004.
 
Merrill
I went from an Athlon 2200+ to a 3800+ dual core AM2 socket last
week...I consider myself an average user only using the internet to
download music, search DIY projects for the new house and eBay, not
much gaming only unreal tornament 2004 and age of empires and I havent
really noticed the difference from an A scoket jumping to the latest
AM2 socket.
Should personal applications arise your 3700+ should be able to perform
different needs be it an interest in photos or movies, may I suggest
you may find more benefit in upgrading your graphics card to make more
of a difference in your gaming, eBay is not always the best for price
points check out the specials at the likes of MSY.com.au
Hope this helps but I feel you wont notice the difference between the
3700 and the dual core 3800.
 
Win98 is fine if your using older hardware, but from my experience of using
every operating system and changing some of my hardware yearly, WinXp is
certainly the best operating system to date. People would never be able to
create dvd quality video without it. The only time I've ever had problems
was with older/bad written drivers. The only way to find out which drivers
are best is to try them out. When I installed XP MCE, it took me a week to
find out the best hardware/software combination that worked best. And this
time with the hardware and software I use, its the latest drivers and
software from ati, msi and creative(6.18 drivers and 9.15 MMC(mmc is crap
but MCE uses tuners great.). With my 9600, it was 5.10 and 9.04mmc that
would only work well with XP Pro. I agree with the statement that its the
wrong or not the latest drivers installed that cause crashes( mostly). What
also seems to help is setting your "virtual memory" to work in a different
hard drive that isn't used during gaming or other intensive tasks(preferably
a high quality sata drive. I'm getting sick of IDE. Trick from Max PC or CPU
mag). I set my virt mem to 0 on my C drive and then right after a fresh
format, alocated 4092mb in my secondary 320 gig drive.(R click My computer,
Advanced, Performance Settings, Advanced, Virtual Memory-Change). For C
drive set "No Paging File" and press "Set". Then click on your secondary
drive and click "custom size". I have my mins and max at 4092.(press set)
Careful. If you don't have 512mb ram or higher, might screw your computer
and have to reformat. If this is not done on a fresh formatted HD, the
virtual memory will work further to the back of your hard drive, instead of
right at the front.(slower response)

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