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[Arno Wagner]

In news:[email protected] Arno Wagner typed:

Hi Arno, do You have any HW background?
If You want to boot from any drive, it MUST have the "BOOT-FLAG"
in a primary master partition.

"primary master partition"? What is that supposed to be? A primary
partition with the "active" flag set?

Other partition types (another master or extension partition with
logical drives will not be recognized).
Please explain Your objection vs. other partitions.
There can only be ONE bootable partition!

I think you did not understand the problem. Of course there can be
multiple bootable devices in a computer. Also there can be multiple
partition with bootable ("active") flag on one device, but Windows
will only look at the first. Under other OSes the flag has not
necessarily a meaning at all.

There can only be ONE bootable device per system, identified by
the Boot-Flag. More would make no sense, as the BIOS would not
be able to identify the one to be used among others!
This is pure logic!

Unfortunately this is completely wrong. What do you think the BIOS
does with the boot-preference list? And do _you_ think the BIOS would
do if there are two (or multiple) bootable devices with "bootable"
flag in a partition?

Incidentially the BIOS does not care for the "bootable" flag in the
partitions at all. It loads the MBR and looks for a valid bootloader
signature. If there is one, it executed the boot-code from that MBR.
If there is none, or the boot-code exits with an error, then it tries
the next device in the boot preference list. If all fails, the
original BIOS would try the "ROB BASIC", but today some BIOSes
instead confuse their users with a message like "No ROM BASIC found,
system halted".

The boot-code from the MBR, when executed may or may not look for the
"bootable" flag, you are so obsessive about. The BIOS does not care.

Arno

 

[Horst Franke]

In news:[email protected] J. Clarke typed:

The term "optical drive" refers to a storage device that uses optical
techonlogy for data storage. I've never heard a fibre-channel drive
called an "optical drive", it's a magnetic drive with an optical
interface.

Thanks for Your support.
You aggreed to the "interface".
Horst

 

[Horst Franke]

In news:[email protected] Rod Speed typed:

Horst Franke wrote
Pity about your claim about ONE in the first line.

Sorry Rod, don't understand this phrase.

Wrong again. Some systems can boot
logical drives within extended partitions fine.

Wrong again (Your phrase!). This is only true when using a
boot manager! Primary partitions need the boot flag.
Boot manager behaviour is a different thing.

You can only select ONE drive, that has the boot-flag and bootable code
on it. So only one of four primary partitions would support this.

Wrong, as always. Most modern bios have a boot order list
and the bios goes thru that list looking for a bootable device.

Yes, but there's *only one* bootable partition per drive.

You're welcome to have more than one bootable device and
vitually all systems have that when there is a bootable CD
in the OPTICAL DRIVE.

No objection! But a CD is a DIFFERENT drive! You see?
Horst

 

[Rod Speed]

J. Clarke wrote

Thanks for Your support.

He didnt 'support' a damned thing, he said you are just plain wrong.

He's right, you are just plain wrong, as always.

You aggreed to the "interface".

Pathetic, really.

 

[Horst Franke]

In news:[email protected] Arno Wagner typed:

"primary master partition"? What is that supposed to be? A primary
partition with the "active" flag set?

Hi Arno, NO! There might be 4 primary partitions, but ONLY ONE
can have the "boot flag" be set. And that's the bootable partition.

I think you did not understand the problem. Of course there can be
multiple bootable devices in a computer. Also there can be multiple
partition with bootable ("active") flag on one device, but Windows
will only look at the first. Under other OSes the flag has not
necessarily a meaning at all.

Yes devices but not partitions!
Only one primary partition may be bootable!
(Yet not discussing boot manager functions!)

Unfortunately this is completely wrong. What do you think the BIOS
does with the boot-preference list? And do _you_ think the BIOS would
do if there are two (or multiple) bootable devices with "bootable"
flag in a partition?

NOT at all! The Bios differentiates among devices but not partitions!

Incidentially the BIOS does not care for the "bootable" flag in the
partitions at all. It loads the MBR and looks for a valid bootloader
signature. If there is one, it executed the boot-code from that MBR.
If there is none, or the boot-code exits with an error, then it tries
the next device in the boot preference list. If all fails, the
original BIOS would try the "ROB BASIC", but today some BIOSes
instead confuse their users with a message like "No ROM BASIC found,
system halted".

ACK. But this has nothing to do with my objections,
besides when ONE device was selected, then it must have the bootflag.
You would never be able to boot a CD that has no bootable code on it.

The boot-code from the MBR, when executed may or may not look for the
"bootable" flag, you are so obsessive about. The BIOS does not care.

Wrong. The MBR reflects only the boot code of a *specific device*!
This might be a HD, a CD or a USB or any other device.
Horst

 

[Horst Franke]

In news:[email protected] Rod Speed typed:

Wrong, yet again.

Most bios allow you to set a sequence of drives to attempt to boot
from and it will move thru the list until it finds one that is
actually bootable.

Hi Rod, and what did I said! Only that!
You may have a list a bootable devices, but every one needs to have
the boot code implemented!
But for a HD, only one of four primary partitions may have this!
Again boot manager facilities are NOT point of this discussion.
Horst

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Sorry Rod, don't understand this phrase.

Its VERY basic english. If you cant manage
VERY basic english, you had better stick to kraut.

Wrong again (Your phrase!). This is only true when using a boot manager!

Irrelevant, your original pig ignorant drivel that you keep deleting
from the quoting didnt say a word about what the BIOS could boot.

And you are just plain wrong as far as a boot manager being required too,
even a basic loader can boot other than an active primary partition fine.

Primary partitions need the boot flag.

No they dont.

Boot manager behaviour is a different thing.

There is more than just the bios and boot managers, stupid.

You can only select ONE drive, that has the boot-flag and bootable
code on it. So only one of four primary partitions would support this.

Thats not a drive, thats a partition, stupid.

Yes, but there's *only one* bootable partition per drive.

You pig ignorantly claimed ONE BOOTABLE DEVICE, stupid.

Partitions aint DEVICES.

No objection! But a CD is a DIFFERENT drive! You see?

You clearly said ONE BOOTABLE DEVICE.

You are just plain wrong.

 

[Rod Speed]

Arno Wagner wrote

You did indeed.

Wrong, as always.

Hi Arno, NO! There might be 4 primary partitions, but ONLY ONE
can have the "boot flag" be set. And that's the bootable partition.

Wrong, as always. You can set them all active if you want.

Yes devices but not partitions!

You clearly said DEVICE at the top.

Only one primary partition may be bootable!

Wrong, as always.

(Yet not discussing boot manager functions!)

Still wrong, as always.

NOT at all! The Bios differentiates among devices but not partitions!

Irrelevant to whether only a boot manager can handle
multiple partitions which have a bootable flag.

ACK. But this has nothing to do with my objections,

Everything to do with that stupid pig ignorant claim
YOU made now right at the top of the quoting.

besides when ONE device was selected, then it must have the bootflag.

Wrong, as always. Some boot loaders dont need it.

You would never be able to boot a CD that has no bootable code on it.

Irrelevant to those stupid pig ignorant claims you made.

Wrong.

Fraid so.

The MBR reflects only the boot code of a *specific device*!

Irrelevant to whether THAT cares about whether there is a 'bootable' flag.

This might be a HD, a CD or a USB or any other device.

Irrelevant to whether THAT cares about whether there is a 'bootable' flag.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Hi Rod, and what did I said! Only that!

You're lying now. The top steaming turd from you says nothing like that.

You may have a list a bootable devices, but every one needs to have the boot code
implemented!

Wrong, as always.

But for a HD, only one of four primary partitions may have this!

Wrong, as always.

Again boot manager facilities are NOT point of this discussion.

Lying, as always.

YOU made a stupid pig ignorant claim and are only now desperately
trying to slither away from the FACT that you have always been just plain
wrong on every single claim you have ever made about what is bootable.

 

[Horst Franke]

In news:[email protected] Rod Speed typed:

Its VERY basic english. If you cant manage
VERY basic english, you had better stick to kraut.

Hi Rod, please do not tend to reflect personal attacks.
Looks like You never did a step by Your state?

Irrelevant, your original pig ignorant drivel that you keep deleting
from the quoting didnt say a word about what the BIOS could boot.

Rubbish I aggred to Your statement and You STILL DENY?
What role do You want to play here? Uncompleted youngster?

And you are just plain wrong as far as a boot manager being required
too, even a basic loader can boot other than an active primary
partition fine.

OK, then go to a high school, test it and then report it here!

There is more than just the bios and boot managers, stupid.

And what else differences do You see? Please explain or
retrain Your objections! Why do You hide to explain "stupid"?

Thats not a drive, thats a partition, stupid.

YES! I said *4 primary partitions*! Are you able to read the comments?

You pig ignorantly claimed ONE BOOTABLE DEVICE, stupid.

Sorry about Your HW unknowns! (Lack of US expression).

Partitions aint DEVICES.

NO, they are only valid for HD drives and not others!

You clearly said ONE BOOTABLE DEVICE.
You are just plain wrong.

Rubbish, a CD drive interface is totally different to a HD drive!
Please regain Your HW courses. You've no idea on real life.
Horst

 

[Horst Franke]

In news:[email protected] Rod Speed typed:

Irrelevant to whether only a boot manager can handle
multiple partitions which have a bootable flag.

Hi Rod, don't You see that I talk about BIOS and NOT boot manager?
Rubbish. If the BIOS selects a device then it looks for any boot code!
If nothing found then the next drive will be scanned.

This is even true if the first drive is a HD or a CD.
On a HD only that partition with the boot flag set will be used.
A CD must also have bootable code on it or it will be ignored!

Yes, 'cause this is 198x knowledge. Today there's no more any ROM Basic!

Everything to do with that stupid pig ignorant claim
YOU made now right at the top of the quoting.

Rubbish, You have no idea on current working levels!

Wrong, as always. Some boot loaders dont need it.

I repeat it again I'm NOT talking about boot loaders/managers!
Please repeat Your basic computer sessions!

Irrelevant to those stupid pig ignorant claims you made.

Again rubbish! You *may only boot* if there is *bootable code* on the CD!

Rubbish. The BIOS looks for and loads the bootable code.
If the MBR does not point to any boot code then result =
*no bootable device* and the BIOS would skip to the next device.

Rod it really looks like You need some more basic lections
on computer basics.
Horst

 

[Horst Franke]

In news:[email protected] Rod Speed typed:

YOU made a stupid pig ignorant claim and are only now desperately
trying to slither away from the FACT that you have always been just
plain wrong on every single claim you have ever made about what is
bootable.

Sorry Rod, but I never feel able, to inform an ignorable student
with facts. You have NO IDEA of the real facts. That's it! Sorry.
Horst

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Hi Rod, please do not tend to reflect personal attacks.

You clearly wouldnt know what a personal
attack was if it bit you on your lard arse, child.

And you have done plenty of those, you ****ing hypocrite.

Looks like You never did a step by Your state?

Repeat using pure english.

Rubbish

You'd know all about rubbish.

I aggred to Your statement

Lying, again. Even someone as stupid as you should have
noticed that using the word WRONG isnt agreement.

and You STILL DENY?

You keep spouting pig ignorant drivel, I'll keep rubbing
your nose in the FACT that its pig ignorant drivel.

What role do You want to play here?

I dont play roles, child.

Uncompleted youngster?

I'm likely old enough to be your grandfather, child.

OK, then go to a high school,

Been there, likely before you were even born thanks, child.

test it and then report it here!

They didnt have any computers in high school when I was there, child.

An OS can write an MBR that boots anything it likes, child.

And what else differences do You see?

Never said a word about differences, child.

Please explain or retrain Your objections!

Go and **** yourself.

Why do You hide to explain "stupid"?

Repeat using pure english.

YES! I said *4 primary partitions*!

PARTITIONS ARENT DRIVES, FOOL.

Are you able to read the comments?

Yep, and yours stay pig ignorant shit no matter how often they are read.

Sorry about Your HW unknowns! (Lack of US expression).

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

NO, they are only valid for HD drives and not others!

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

Rubbish,

You'd know all about rubbish.

a CD drive interface is totally different to a HD drive!

Irrelevant to your stupid pig ignorant claim about DEVICES.

Please regain Your HW courses.

Repeat in pure english.

You've no idea on real life.

EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS BOTHERED TO
COMMENT ON YOUR PIG IGNORANT SHIT HAS RUBBED
YOUR NOSE IN THE FACT THAT YOU HAVENT GOT A CLUE
ABOUT ANYTHING AT ALL, LET ALONE REAL LIFE CHILD.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Hi Rod, don't You see that I talk about BIOS and NOT boot manager?

You dont actually have a clue about what a bios can do either.

YOU DONT NEED A BOOT MANAGER TO GET
THE BIOS TO BOOT OTHER THAN THE ONLY
PRIMARY PARTITION WITH A BOOTABLE FLAG.

The OS can write anything it likes in the MBR and
that can boot anything it wants to boot on that drive.

Rubbish.

Nope, he's right.

If the BIOS selects a device then it looks for any boot code!

Wrong, as always. It checks for the MBR signature
and if it finds that, IT LOADS THE CODE IN THE MBR
AND THAT IS WHAT LOOKS FOR THE 'BOOTABLE'
FLAG WHEN ITS THE STANDARD CODE.

It doesnt have to be the standard code and an OS can
write anything it likes in the MBR and that can load
anything it likes and boot any partition it likes too.

If nothing found then the next drive will be scanned.

Pity you pig ignorantly claimed the exact opposite previously.

This is even true if the first drive is a HD or a CD.
Duh.

On a HD only that partition with the boot flag set will be used.

Wrong, as always.

A CD must also have bootable code on it or it will be ignored!

Wrong again. Its possible to boot CDs a different way.

Yes, 'cause this is 198x knowledge. Today there's no more any ROM Basic!

You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist piles of horstshit ?

Rubbish,

YOU made that stupid pig ignorant claim now right at the top of the quoting.

You have no idea on current working levels!

Easy to claim, child.

I know a hell of a lot more about it than you do thanks,
and that stuff you commented on with the >>>> in front
of it was what ARNO said, not me.

I repeat it again I'm NOT talking about boot loaders/managers!

You never said a word about boot loader until now, child.

AND I AM TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS IN THE MBR ANYWAY,
AND YOU CLEARLY WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT AND
PIG IGNORANTLY CLAIMED THAT ITS THE BIOS DOING THAT.

Please repeat Your basic computer sessions!

Go and **** yourself, again.

Again rubbish! You *may only boot* if there is *bootable code* on the CD!

Irrelevant to those stupid pig ignorant claims you made.

And you are just plain wrong anyway.

Rubbish.

We'll see...

The BIOS looks for and loads the bootable code.

Yes, BUT THAT IS NOT THE "BOOTABLE' FLAG, FOOL.

If the MBR does not point to any boot code then result =
*no bootable device* and the BIOS would skip to the next device.

THAT IS NOT THE "BOOTABLE' FLAG, FOOL.

Rod it really looks like You need some more basic lections on computer basics.

Like I said, time you got new glasses child.

 

[Rod Speed]

Rod Speed wrote

Sorry Rod,
Liar.

but I never feel able, to inform an ignorable student with facts.

You wouldnt know what a fact was if it bit you on your lard arse, child.

You have NO IDEA of the real facts.

You wouldnt know what a fact was if it bit you on your lard arse, child.

That's it!
Nope.

Sorry.

Liar.

 

[chrisv]

You clearly wouldnt know what a personal
attack was if it bit you on your lard arse, child.

And you have done plenty of those, you ****ing hypocrite.

Always hilarious to see Rodney dish out insult after vile insult, and
when they other guy finally responds in kind, the POS calls them a
"hypocrite".

 

[Horst Franke]

In news:[email protected] Rod Speed typed:

I'm likely old enough to be your grandfather, child.

Thanks, then You'ld already been DEAD for many years!
No more need to talk with ghosts.
Horst