COOLEST running 7200 RPM hard disk

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Rod Speed said:
Nope, the secondary. The primary is conduction
to the metal drive bay stack frame.


Plenty of PCs have no specific airflow over the drive.
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I can't speak for other PC brands, but my Dell
Dimension doesn't depend on any flouting of the
Laws of Nature, and air blowing over the HD is
its primary - and virtually *only* - method of
cooling. Dell did a good job of cooling design, IMO,
and the primary HD stands vertically (in its plastic
cage) in the path of incoming air, benefitting from
the forced draft during operation and from convection
during cool-down. Perhaps I should have re-worded
my comment to read: "Air blowing over a hard disk
drive is quite sufficient to cool it without any metal-to
-metal contact - as evidenced by my Dell Dimenstion".
Whether the case designs of other manufacturers use
air flow as well as Dell's do may be another thing.

I should further point out that the components
on a HD's circuit board also don't depend on metal-
to-metal contact for their cooling as they only contact
the board and the fine traces on the board. Their
primary method of cooling is contact with moving air.


*TimDaniels*
 
Timothy Daniels said:
Rod Speed wrote
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I can't speak for other PC brands, but my Dell Dimension
doesn't depend on any flouting of the Laws of Nature,
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No one said anything about flouting the laws of nature except
you. And its the laws of physics that matter, not nature anyway.
and air blowing over the HD is its primary
- and virtually *only* - method of cooling.
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Yes, but like I said, thats NOT the primary
means of cooling the drive in most PCs,
conduction to the metal drive bay stack is.
Dell did a good job of cooling design, IMO,
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Nope, a rather hopeless one when they choose to
thermally isolate the drive frame from the metal bay stack.

And whatever Dell may or may not have done, is completely
irrelevant to what is the primary method of cooling seen with
most hard drives in personal desktop systems.
and the primary HD stands vertically (in its plastic
cage) in the path of incoming air, benefitting from
the forced draft during operation
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Pity about what happens when the
fan fails and the user doesnt notice.
and from convection during cool-down. Perhaps
I should have re-worded my comment to read:
"Air blowing over a hard disk drive is quite
sufficient to cool it without any metal-to-metal
contact - as evidenced by my Dell Dimenstion".
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Yep, your original 'primary' claim is just plain wrong.
Whether the case designs of other manufacturers use
air flow as well as Dell's do may be another thing.
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What matters on that primary claim is that most dont
thermally isolate the drive from the metal bay stack.
I should further point out that the components on
a HD's circuit board also don't depend on metal-
to-metal contact for their cooling as they only
contact the board and the fine traces on the board.
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They arent mostly the problem with heat.

And certainly arent the reason that a 7200 rpm drive
gets noticeably hot when run loose outside the case.
Their primary method of cooling is contact with moving air.
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Squirm, squirm, squirm, squirm. Fooling absolutely no one, as always.
 
Air blowing on a HD is the primary method of cooling.
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And I've never had a problem with no fan blowing on a HDD. So your
point is? The guy had the HDD outside the case just temporarily so
there is no need to stick a housefan blowing on it. HDD's do have a
pretty high heat tolerance.
 
"Rod Speed" coo-ca-chooed:
No one said anything about flouting the laws of nature except
you. And its the laws of physics that matter, not nature anyway.
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The laws of physics *are* the laws of nature.

Nope, a rather hopeless one when they choose to
thermally isolate the drive frame from the metal bay stack.
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The success of Dell Computers speaks for itself.

Pity about what happens when the
fan fails and the user doesnt notice.
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And pity about the hard drive dependent on airflow
air to cool the metal bay stack when the fan fails.

Yep, your original 'primary' claim is just plain wrong.
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Dell's successful method of cooling HDs proves its
validity. Airflow is what cools everything inside the
case - directly or indirectly. Dell proves that "directly"
is better, one reason being that it's quieter. All that I
have to do to make my HD sound like it's in a metal
tub is to move it to the bay stack position for secondary
HDs. Then the metal-to-metal contact conducts arm
movement vibration directly to the walls of the bay stack,
making the bay stack a sounding board.

Dell really got it right with their case cooling. Even
when I do a defrag on my 7200 rpm ATA/133 Maxtor,
the HD remains cooler than body temperature. That's
with no metal-to-metal contact, and the HD mounted
vertically inside a plastic cage. The only cooling medium
is the air flowing past the HD, and it does a very good job.


*TimDaniels*
 
Timothy Daniels said:
Rod Speed wrote
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The laws of physics *are* the laws of nature.
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Wrong. As always.
The success of Dell Computers speaks for itself.
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Crap. All their success shows is that most PC
buyers are completely pig ignorant of the basics
and that Dell does provide an adequate level of
support and price to get them used.
And pity about the hard drive dependent on airflow
air to cool the metal bay stack when the fan fails.
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The much larger amount of metal available to dissipate
the heat from the drive means that using the metal drive bay
stack results in a lower drive temp when the fan fails, stupid.
Dell's successful method of cooling HDs proves its validity.
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Whether its valid or not is an entirely separate issue to whether
its actually THE PRIMARY WAY HARD DRIVES ARE COOLED.

Its actualy the secondary only.
Airflow is what cools everything
inside the case - directly or indirectly.
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Must by one of those rocket scientist desperate hole diggers.
Dell proves that "directly" is better,
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Pigs arse it does. And 'better' wasnt even being
discussed, JUST WHAT IS THE PRIMARY METHOD
OF GETTING THE HEAT AWAY FROM A HARD DRIVE.
one reason being that it's quieter.
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Completely off with the ****ing fairys now. How can an extra
fan for the hard drives ever be quieter than no extra fan ?
All that I have to do to make my HD sound like it's in a metal
tub is to move it to the bay stack position for secondary HDs.
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How odd that I dont get that with mine.
Then the metal-to-metal contact conducts arm
movement vibration directly to the walls of the bay
stack, making the bay stack a sounding board.
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How odd that I dont get that with mine.
Dell really got it right with their case cooling.
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Crap. And thats an entirely separate issue TO WHAT IS THE
PRIMARY METHOD OF HARD DRIVE COOLING ANYWAY.
Even when I do a defrag on my 7200 rpm ATA/133
Maxtor, the HD remains cooler than body temperature.
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COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY IRRELEVANT TO WHAT
IS THE PRIMARY METHOD OF HARD DRIVE COOLING.
That's with no metal-to-metal contact, and the HD mounted
vertically inside a plastic cage. The only cooling medium
is the air flowing past the HD, and it does a very good job.
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COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY IRRELEVANT TO WHAT
IS THE PRIMARY METHOD OF HARD DRIVE COOLING.

Obviously you've never read up on the Rule of Holes
and are constitutionally incapable of ever admitting
you are wrong on even the simplest matters or even
capable of actually grasping what is being discussed.
 
Nope, a rather hopeless one when they choose to
thermally isolate the drive frame from the metal bay stack.

And whatever Dell may or may not have done, is completely
irrelevant to what is the primary method of cooling seen with
most hard drives in personal desktop systems.


Pity about what happens when the
fan fails and the user doesnt notice.
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I worked on a Dell for a client a few years back. They were using a
desktop Dimension as a server for a small office. They ran out of disk
space and asked me to upgrade the hard drive. The hard drive was
mounted vertically in the bottom front of the case (in a metal cage)
and cooled by the air drawn in the case and pulled out the back by a
case fan. The CPU (a Pentium II in a Slot 1) had a passive heat sink
and was cooled by the same fan. I put the new hard drive in an open 5
1/4 bay with a PC Power and Cooling Bay Cool (lots of metal-to-metal
contact and a couple of fans). I also suggested that a new server
might be a good idea in the near future.

About a year later they called and told me that their server had died.
I found that the case cooling fan had stopped and the CPU was fried.
One employee commented that he wondered why there was a burning smell
in the office for the past week.

I scavenged a CPU from another system and got the server running
temporarily. Fortunately the hard drive was intact and no data was
lost (and they did use a tape backup). They bought a real server (dual
Xeons, dual SCSI drives in RAID 1, etc.) and we had no problem moving
the data and keeping the business running with minimal interruption.

- -
Gary L.
Reply to the newsgroup only
 
Pigs arse it does. And 'better' wasnt even being
discussed, JUST WHAT IS THE PRIMARY METHOD
OF GETTING THE HEAT AWAY FROM A HARD DRIVE.


Completely off with the ****ing fairys now. How can an extra
fan for the hard drives ever be quieter than no extra fan ?
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Rod, I see that you are still blowing hot air out of your ass again! Oh,
did you finally ever get around to soaking your corncob in turpentine? You
know once inserted the cob will relieve a lot of hot air you have built up
over the years.

Rita
 
Some rabid bigot claiming to be
message just the puerile shit thats all it can ever manage.
 
Rod Speed said:
Fraid not. And it aint even Rodney thanks Gisin.
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They called him "The Corncob Kid" after they took him out back and whooped
his ass. I'm sure he enjoyed his daily beating.

Rita
 
Some rabid bigot with an obsession with arses, claiming to be
message just the puerile shit thats all it can ever manage.
 
Luxor said:
You would know all about that seeing as you have a big one in your
head.
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Not to mention the one in his ass after inserting his favorite toy, a
turpentine soaked corncob.

Rita
 
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