"Close Lid behavior" broken

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Jon--

1) You really are speculating on thin ice if you want to guess who might be
lurking here. There are relatively rare posts by the same MSFT personnel who
respond to message rules that trigger key words or phrases in their area. I
also think the routine methods of feedback to MSFT are next to worthless.
They may compile them in some way, but it's going to take a lot of numbers
to make a dent according to what I've read in the last few years.

2) In all your posts you didn't say what Build you're using. The reason I
point this out is that there has been improved power management from some of
the Betas to RTM. Are you using RTM?


3) If you have a power management issue in Windows Vista you think is legit,
let's up your odds of speculating that someone is "lurking in here" that's
going to hop on Jon's problem, ID it as global in Vista, and make it go away
with a fix.

Post it directly where Jim Allchin, Co-President, Platform and Services
Division or Nick White at MSFT will see it and can have it looked at by the
people best qualified to deal with it:

That'd be here. Sign in and you can post your comment.

http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/w...006/12/08/windows-vista-power-management.aspx

Or email Nick White, PM on the Vista launch team at MSFT and detail your PM
concern, but I'd include specs on your box and the build of Vista as well.
(e-mail address removed)

Or email Robert Williams who is Program Manager on the Tab PC team. Power
is an issue there.
http://blogs.msdn.com/robwill/contact.aspx

CH
 
Chad Harris said:
You really are speculating on thin ice if you want to guess who might be
lurking here.
Click to expand...

Boy I sure hope I don't fall in and freeze to death.

In actuality, there is no speculation. I don't have to explain myself,
Microsoft has explained it many times, I know for a fact that some Microsoft
employees lurk here whether people are ignorant of it or not. Their lurking
here is not in any way whatsoever measurable by how often they post.

Therefore, their obligation to be here is on their shoulders. This is their
problem. Failing that, it's unacceptable that one would be expected to
comment on some guy's blog. My obligation was to give feedback, and that's
part of the reason why this group exists; this is not just a peer "help me"
group.

But I'm not about to debate the purpose of this group any further; suffice
it to say that I've been on these Microsoft groups for a decade and I'm no
stranger here.

Jon
 
I wasn't arguing that MSFTies check out what is the only public Vista group.
But that said, how you think that's going to translate into someone dealing
with your power issue very soon or even during Vista, is beyond me. There
are a number of private ones they pay attention to as well--OEM system
builders, partners etc. I was pointing out however that if I were you I'd
park your issue at a place where it is obvious that it is being read by
MSFT--a comment on a Jim Allchin blog.

If you want to think it's ignorant, go for it. I think though Jon, you may
in life be missing a lot of instances where someone is trying to help you
with this hyperdefensive tone but whatever floats your boat.

They don't have an obligation "to be here" but it is common sense that with
the advent of a new OS, one of the major venues with thousands of potential
readers might be a place to look at.

I gave you a link to Jim Allchin's blog on the new power management scheme
in Vista that had implications in the area of your problem. Right now, Jim
Allchin runs Windows and he ran the development of Vista.

I'm glad you're so group conversant. If you don't get your info to the most
specific place, and the group isn't it for feedback, then don't expect a lot
of change with your power situation that you're going to keep dealing with.

CH
 
Jone Doe straddling the group and taking a public piss. Problem fixed how?
As if you grasped a problem or began to address it.

Funny how quintissential trolls alwas contribute nothing but their sporadic
pisses in the group to sling the troll lable around LOL.

CH
 
Chad:
Maybe you can clear up some confusion for me. Every time something
doesn't work on a new operating system, it's always has to be a bug in the
new operating system because it worked properly on the previous operating
system. From what I've seen since XP x64 became CPP a bug didn't just effect
one system configuration, it effected multiple configurations and systems.
Has that suddenly changed since Vista became RTM? During Vista beta I had
problems with sleep, power settings and restarting on my Compac Presario
V2300CTO laptop, updating the bios and video drivers resolved the issues.
The problems didn't return after I installed Vista Enterprise x86 RTM on a
freshly formatted hard drive on the laptop.
 
From what I've seen, the power problems in particular with Vista are
supposed to have lessened significantly with all RTM editions of Vista, at
least that's what Nick White posted on the blog I linked to where Jim
Allchin explained power management in Vista.

http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/w...006/12/08/windows-vista-power-management.aspx

There were some comments as to power problems, and Nick said a number of
them should be cleared up with RTM. With the advent of X64, you have a
different arena for bugs to play out in, and it's requiring signed drivers
and they are having an incubation period into the spring of 2007.

I would think that if you have a bios update for your box Dennis, combined
with the ironing out of a numbr of power related problems in RTM, with
updated video drivers that could sure have an impact for the better.

Sometimes though, as with an OS that is the most complex yet in Vista, (at
least for Windows), so many components of new features in combination with
each other, new code, and a new kernel can make a situation for bugs to
flourish for a while.

I hope that your X86 and X64 RTMs work out well for you.

I fear I didn't answer a question very well that you had.

It would be nice if MSFT, and I've ranted on this for over a year would put
a public bug site on Connect or somewhere else, but they absolutely refuse
to do so. They could list bugs reported, the number of reports, the
reception by the particular team or teams, and the proposed fix or if no fix
will be proposed.

They absolutely refuse to provide this service for reasons that are just
plain inexcusable.

CH
 
Chad:
Thank you or the reply. The only problem with Vista RTM at this time
is that no x64 creative drivers are available yet which isn't the operating
systems' fault.
 
The power problems I had, disappeared with RC2. I haven't
experienced any problems with RTM. The RTM is on a
Gateway laptop.

-Michael
 
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