Check out this fancy case

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You can only sink lower if you actually care about the idiot. I don't. I
know what kind of person he is and frankly I like those people! I'll battle
the village idiot any day as the battles are good for honing your debating
skills. It's good for controlling that "red line" area. So actually I
wasn't worse then anyone as that would imply that give a damn. Unless we
base your comments solely on being your opinion alone, then ok. Good for
you.

Thanks for continuing the actual conversation.

Like I said, ALL temps where hotter. That would include the CPU, system,
the ambient inside case temp, HDD temps and exhaust temp. I don't remember
specific numbers. What I do remember was it averaged 4 degrees hotter.
Except for the HDDs. Those temps got out of control as the case temp could
never be lowered enough and I couldn't change the air out enough.

Again, like I said, I bought the case from a magazine company. My
father-in-law works for a printer and he gets all the computer related
magazines for free and out of all the magazines they print he knows a few of
the publishers. He got to talking one day with someone from one of the
"computer related" accounts and I came into the conversation. Since then
I've gotten to know one of the writers. He offers me anything he has
available from time to time. Anything he doesn't want himself obviously.
So like I said...magazine.

Oh yeah, you seemed confused. I did NOT buy a COMPUTER from anyone. I
bought only the case.



ISOHaven said:
Damn you're an idiot. I only replied to you once ABOUT MY HAVING THE
CASE.

You seeing shit that aint there? So one post telling you to piss off is
being a cry baby? Wow, you just handed me the victory without even
trying.

Well, good note to make:
John Wilson is a ****ing idiot and should never be listened to. His
remarks are idiotic and he doesn't know shit about dust.

WAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You haven't participated long in newsgroups. John has managed to be
trollish in his replies and illicted the response from you that he wanted,
which was for you to devolve into a whiny, bitchy, swearing peurile. He
yanked, you got suckered, and you went lower than John (so you were worse
than him).

You said YOUR use of the case in question resulted in hotter temperatures.
The appropriate response to John's question of "provide the address
info for the magazine" should've been that you actually trialed the case
and your statement was NOT founded on some magazine article noting the
good and bad of the case. It does seem impossible to actually buy a
computer from a magazine company. More likely you bought from a supplier
that advertised *in* the unidentified magazine, and referencing that
magazine would be worthless since it was not the source of the claim that
the case results in hotter temperatures. Of course, "hotter" would be a
more legit response if you actually gave some figures, like how hot, how
much hotter, which readings were hotter (CPU, system, or both), and hotter
than what.

Normally the PSU's fan *exhausts* out the back. That means the heat from
the PSU never enters the case. However, in this flawed design, the heat
from the PSU is pushed up from the bottom and into the case. Seems a
stupid design. If and only if the PSU was inverted so the fan blew *out*
the bottom of the case would its own heat then get expelled outward and
not preheat the air blown into the case through the PSU. I couldn't find
information that said which direction was the airflow for the PSU's fan -
intake or exhaust. Even if the PSU's fan was an exhaust fan instead of an
intake fan, it would then short-circuit the airflow from the front and
yank out some of the cooler air before it got to pass over the motherboard
and out the backside. Maybe if the PSU was at the back bottom of the case
would the front-side airflow get split somewhat evenly between the bottom
PSU and top backside fans. If the PSU fan blows into the case, it
preheats the internal airspace. If it blows out, it short-circuits the
intake airflow. Bad airflow design just to create a non-functional and
clunky visual design.

Your original post was okay but waded off into what John figured was a bit
too spammy. However, most users when they say something is bad want to
stroke their egos by showing off that what they did instead was better.
That's natural. The relevant portion of your post was to note that you
actually tried the case, something John cannot refute since he infers by
omission that he has never tested the case, and you found it to be hotter
(but then you divert by mentioning an air conditioned case that would
probably be cooler than other cases that also were not as hot as the one
in question). The video review mentioned by Jim never actually tests the
case by putting in the normal slew of components (mobo, PSU, drives, video
card, memory, etc.) to see how it actually functions. It must be too new
since a Google on didn't show any actual usage reviews of the case (I only
checked the first page of matches).
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What would be hilarious is wiring the flush handle to a serial port and
writing a driver to empty the recycle bin every time the toilet is flushed.
 
....and lets not forget "flush.wav"


ISOHaven said:
What would be hilarious is wiring the flush handle to a serial port and
writing a driver to empty the recycle bin every time the toilet is
flushed.
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The PSU is on the bottom of the case. According to the video review noted
by Jim, the PSU sits atop the bottom grill and its fan sucks in the air from
the bottom. So it is just like a vacuum sucking up from the floor. The
PSU's fan is used as an *intake* fan rather than an exhaust fan, and the
intake is sucking up from the floor.
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Ok, sorry then i had not seen this video and was thinking of
a more typical arranagment with psu on bottom.

Also, if you look at the video, the foot pads are very skinny which means
the bottom hole is way too close to the floor. If the floor is carpeted,
which is the case for most home users and even many businesses, the air flow
through the PSU is restricted. Could be why users of this product have
noted that it is a hotter case because the PSU isn't getting a decent enough
airflow to cool it off. With bottom holes, they should've used feet stands
to put the bottom of the case much farther away from the floor. Even roller
feet would have given more clearance.
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Given tall enougn feet and strapping a filter on the bottom
that might work fairly well, but certainly not as-is.
 
kony said:
Given tall enougn feet and strapping a filter on the bottom
that might work fairly well, but certainly not as-is.
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Yeah, I was thinking that the first modification would be to add a filter
for the bottom intake. But that restricts airflow. Also, most users never
bother to periodically clean filters or open their cases to blow out the
dust which is a thermal insulator (and traps heat onto the component on
which the dust settles).

The problem that cannot be averted even with the addition of a filter or the
addition of taller feet is that the PSU will preheat the intake air. A 400
watt PSU with an efficiency rating of 70% would dissipate 120 watts. All
that heat will warm up the intake air coming in tbe bottom grill and going
through the PSU. That's why I'm wondering if the PSU might not install
upside down so it blows out and so it would preheat the intake air. But
blowing out would short-circuit the path for the intake air coming in
through the bottom from grill. It just seems very bad design regarding
airflow.

It will be interesting when and if there is a more realistic review of the
case with a full complement of parts installed to see how much hotter will
be the use of this case. I suppose there might be a baffle that isn't shown
that forces the bottom front intake air to circulate upward right after the
drive cage and then circulate downward past the backpanel fan and continue
on down to the PSU fan (which exhausts instead of sucks in).
 
Yeah, I was thinking that the first modification would be to add a filter
for the bottom intake. But that restricts airflow.
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True, but the bottom is hidden so unlike carving up the
front bezel for an improvement, the cosmetic-defacement of
the bottom might not matter so much, it could open up a lot
of options how this filter panel is implemented.

Generally I do not try to just throw a (nn)mm filter over a
(nn)mm diameter fan, I put a spacer between the fan hole and
a filter panel, the spacer commonly being thick black foam
insulation in a strip (roll) with adhesive backing (found at
many hardware stores), put on the case wall at the perimeter
of the filter panel... so the filter panel size is as large
as possible.
Also, most users never
bother to periodically clean filters or open their cases to blow out the
dust which is a thermal insulator (and traps heat onto the component on
which the dust settles).
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Quite true, though this is another benefit of using larger
filter panels, that it takes quite a bit longer to clog it
up completely, even after it looks horrible it may still let
a fair amount of flow through it.
The problem that cannot be averted even with the addition of a filter or the
addition of taller feet is that the PSU will preheat the intake air.
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This power supply is exhausting into the system case? Are
you sure it isn't exhausting out the back?
A 400
watt PSU with an efficiency rating of 70% would dissipate 120 watts.
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171W, not 120W. It produces 400W (in theory and a perfect
world) but has to draw 571W to do so with 70% efficiency.
Fortunately we can assume the system wouldn't actually need
400W though... but still PSU exhaust into case is a bad
idea.


All
that heat will warm up the intake air coming in tbe bottom grill and going
through the PSU. That's why I'm wondering if the PSU might not install
upside down so it blows out and so it would preheat the intake air.
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I had assumed based on your description that it had intake
on the bottom and exhaust out the rear. Do you have a good
picture of this setup showing the PSU side or rear? I
didn't see the video, was thinking static pic.
But
blowing out would short-circuit the path for the intake air coming in
through the bottom from grill. It just seems very bad design regarding
airflow.
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Surely there's a 2nd fan too? If not, I'd just add one or
two in the appropriate locations. Even with good cases I
just take it for granted that the case will need modded for
best results. Ironically enough that often means I can get
better results with a very old and thicker walled case that
doesn't have ANY fan or vent cutouts yet, because that
leaves a lot of solid, sturdy paneling to leave a lot of fan
options open.

It will be interesting when and if there is a more realistic review of the
case with a full complement of parts installed to see how much hotter will
be the use of this case. I suppose there might be a baffle that isn't shown
that forces the bottom front intake air to circulate upward right after the
drive cage and then circulate downward past the backpanel fan and continue
on down to the PSU fan (which exhausts instead of sucks in).
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It's such an unusual case, it seems like IF someone liked
the way it looked then it'd be worth the time to mod it
really well.
 
kony said:
True, but the bottom is hidden so unlike carving up the
front bezel for an improvement, the cosmetic-defacement of
the bottom might not matter so much, it could open up a lot
of options how this filter panel is implemented.

Generally I do not try to just throw a (nn)mm filter over a
(nn)mm diameter fan, I put a spacer between the fan hole and
a filter panel, the spacer commonly being thick black foam
insulation in a strip (roll) with adhesive backing (found at
many hardware stores), put on the case wall at the perimeter
of the filter panel... so the filter panel size is as large
as possible.


Quite true, though this is another benefit of using larger
filter panels, that it takes quite a bit longer to clog it
up completely, even after it looks horrible it may still let
a fair amount of flow through it.


This power supply is exhausting into the system case? Are
you sure it isn't exhausting out the back?


171W, not 120W. It produces 400W (in theory and a perfect
world) but has to draw 571W to do so with 70% efficiency.
Fortunately we can assume the system wouldn't actually need
400W though... but still PSU exhaust into case is a bad
idea.




I had assumed based on your description that it had intake
on the bottom and exhaust out the rear. Do you have a good
picture of this setup showing the PSU side or rear? I
didn't see the video, was thinking static pic.


Surely there's a 2nd fan too? If not, I'd just add one or
two in the appropriate locations. Even with good cases I
just take it for granted that the case will need modded for
best results. Ironically enough that often means I can get
better results with a very old and thicker walled case that
doesn't have ANY fan or vent cutouts yet, because that
leaves a lot of solid, sturdy paneling to leave a lot of fan
options open.



It's such an unusual case, it seems like IF someone liked
the way it looked then it'd be worth the time to mod it
really well.
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I watched the video a bit more closely this time. The PSU mounts at the
bottom but it looks to affix to the backplate. So it looks like the PSU
sucks in from the bottom and exhausts out the back so this is the standard
airflow direction through the PSU. However, it is only drawing in air to
cool itself: into the PSU from the bottom and then out the back. The front
and rear 120mm fans are used for cooling the guts of the case.

The PSU would need to be of the type that has its grill opening on the
bottom and back sides. It should NOT have a grill on the front or top sides
because that would result in sucking the fresh air out of the case that is
getting pushed in by the front fan. The PSU sits below the mobo and the
front intake fan so perhaps the front fan can manage to blow the air over
the mobo without the PSU sucking up too much of its airflow.

The side panels are ventilated. A large area of the side panels are
ventilated. Makes me wonder if this would reduce air pressure because the
intake air is allowed to "leak" out the sides of the case so that much of it
never passes over the mobo, CPU, and then out the backside fan. This is a
case of too much ventilation or in the wrong place. So far, only one user
has mentioned using the case and noted it caused higher temperatures. The
video review was nice but too bad it didn't actually test the use of the
case.

With the dearth of information on Lian-Li's web site regarding their
products, you can't much about any of their products before you buy.
 
The side panels are ventilated. A large area of the side panels are
ventilated. Makes me wonder if this would reduce air pressure because the
intake air is allowed to "leak" out the sides of the case so that much of it
never passes over the mobo, CPU, and then out the backside fan. This is a
case of too much ventilation or in the wrong place. So far, only one user
has mentioned using the case and noted it caused higher temperatures. The
video review was nice but too bad it didn't actually test the use of the
case.
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Vent holes usually aren't much of a problem with both an
intake and exhaust fan present (when positioned properly so
the intake is cooling the drives). If it weren't for the
intake fan, the vents might then reduce HDD cooling but I'd
expect the rear exhaust is already the more potent of the
two fans because of the typical restrictions to intake on
the front of most cases, that having the vents may help it
in it's default configuration.

With a filtered intake that can be a different story, if the
case doesn't have positive pressurization then all those
little vents suck in dust too... though if the dust problem
is THAT bad, probably a good idea to have a room air cleaner
for the user's benefit as well as the system's.
 
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