Check out this fancy case

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I think that it is designed that way for optimal air flow rather then the
snail look, I watched the video review and it seems quite cool
 
Gojira said:
The Lian-li case is over 300.00 as well,too much in my view for cases.
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Coolermaster has been promising to release that case since May.
Don't think I will ever buy another case from them after purchasing a
Wavemaster, which has a nice visual design but is dysfunctional because
of restricted air flow. Praetorian's slide out tray contains two 80mm
fans and some customers were led to believe that they could buy that
tray and swap Wavemaster's with the newer design. It never happened,
guess that production costs did not meet the company's profit margin.
So I'm stuck with a case that has to be modified in order to maintain
reasonable CPU temperatures. Additional fans here and there, an air
duct in the side panel, boring larger holes than the existing in the
front grill, removing the bezel which restricts air flow, a Zalman heat
sink fan - Jumping through so many damn hoops just to fix a catastrophe
that was badly designed by their engineers.

I hope they charge 1,000 bucks for the Stacker 830 when they have
finally finished designing it.
 
John Wilson said:
http://www.lian-li.com/Product/Chassis/M_M_PC-777.htm
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So why would you want a case where the power supply is at the bottom along
with intake holes in the bottom so it would suck up all the dust bunnies
from a hard floor (and other filth) or suck up the lint from a carpeted
floor?

You can't even remove the right-side panel to access the panel on which the
motherboard attaches, and you cannot remove the motherboard (with the panel
it mounts on).

For the price, I can find LOTS better cases.
 
want a case where the power supply is at the bottom along with intake
holes in the bottom so it would suck up all the dust bunnies from a hard
floor (and other filth) or suck up the lint from a carpeted floor?
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None of my comps sit directly on the floor, as they are all on a metal frame
with wheels that I got from Office Depot, but I think you are
misrepresenting the power of the dust bunnies as far as coming in on the
bottom or in the side is concerned. Even if the PSU was on top, dust would
still find a way in the comp.
You can't even remove the right-side panel to access the panel on which
the motherboard attaches, and you cannot remove the motherboard (with the
panel it mounts on).
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Because you don't need to.
 
I bought this case early on from a magazine company which got it before it
was released.

This case was horrible!!! I noticed all components where hotter in this
case then my previous case. The airflow in this case sucks and too much hot
air get trapped inside. As hard as I tried I could not exchange 100% of the
air at any decent rate.

While it looks kewl, this case is not practical.

I then bought this case and have been 100% happy with it ever since. The
A/C helps a lot and I sit only a few degrees above most water cooling
solutions:

http://www.sytrin.com/3a-1.html

....oh...and it costs much less!

....oh...as for the dust bunnies...any case that sites on the floor will get
MUCH MUCH MUCH more dust and crap in it then a machine that sits on a desk.
 
I smell some bs in this newsgroup. LMAO! Please provide address info for the
magazine.
 
John Wilson said:
None of my comps sit directly on the floor, as they are all on a metal
frame with wheels that I got from Office Depot, but I think you are
misrepresenting the power of the dust bunnies as far as coming in on the
bottom or in the side is concerned. Even if the PSU was on top, dust would
still find a way in the comp.
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Yep, that's why all those vacuum cleaners suck from the front or top rather
than the bottom where all the dirt is.
Because you don't need to.
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Yep, for boobs that never modify their systems after the first build because
they obviously never decide to make changes, install larger heatsinks that
require the use of the mounting holes in the motherboard rather than clamp
onto plastic lugs on a socket, never ever decides to switch to a different
motherboard, or ends up with a motherboard that has components that get
stuck under the 3-1/2 drive cage because obviously the mobo makers all
provides free templates for us to test out the layout of the component
placement on every mobo.

For the money, this case is a definite waste of it.
 
Address info? WTF are you talking about? Manufactures give out samples for
reviews before they actually release the product. It happens all the time.

Don't believe me? I couldn't care less. Piss off.
 
You couldn't care less but you have replied to me twice? More bs, and now I
hear a baby crying.
 
So why would you want a case where the power supply is at the bottom along
with intake holes in the bottom so it would suck up all the dust bunnies
from a hard floor (and other filth) or suck up the lint from a carpeted
floor?
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It does not matter where the PSU is in the case, because the
intake for it is not a hole in the bottom of the case floor.
Either way, the height of the case front intake determines
how much dust makes its way into the case.

on the other hand, there might be a "sight" bit more dust
assumulation in the PSU due to it being low in the case,
more dust settling downwards after making its way into the
case by gravity. That's quite different than a vacuume
cleaner effect.

You can't even remove the right-side panel to access the panel on which the
motherboard attaches, and you cannot remove the motherboard (with the panel
it mounts on).
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There is seldom a valid reason for a removable motherboard
tray, most often it's a silly feature that decreases the
structural integrity of a case. On a good/thick case that
loss of integrity doesn't matter so much though, but
removable tray is about as unuseful as it gets. At most, it
might be a 20 second inconvenience during assembly.
 
kony said:
It does not matter where the PSU is in the case, because the
intake for it is not a hole in the bottom of the case floor.
Either way, the height of the case front intake determines
how much dust makes its way into the case.

on the other hand, there might be a "sight" bit more dust
assumulation in the PSU due to it being low in the case,
more dust settling downwards after making its way into the
case by gravity. That's quite different than a vacuume
cleaner effect.
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The PSU is on the bottom of the case. According to the video review noted
by Jim, the PSU sits atop the bottom grill and its fan sucks in the air from
the bottom. So it is just like a vacuum sucking up from the floor. The
PSU's fan is used as an *intake* fan rather than an exhaust fan, and the
intake is sucking up from the floor.

Also, if you look at the video, the foot pads are very skinny which means
the bottom hole is way too close to the floor. If the floor is carpeted,
which is the case for most home users and even many businesses, the air flow
through the PSU is restricted. Could be why users of this product have
noted that it is a hotter case because the PSU isn't getting a decent enough
airflow to cool it off. With bottom holes, they should've used feet stands
to put the bottom of the case much farther away from the floor. Even roller
feet would have given more clearance.
There is seldom a valid reason for a removable motherboard
tray, most often it's a silly feature that decreases the
structural integrity of a case. On a good/thick case that
loss of integrity doesn't matter so much though, but
removable tray is about as unuseful as it gets. At most, it
might be a 20 second inconvenience during assembly.
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But a major hassle on disassembly if your mobo happens to put a component or
connector that results in a tight fit between it and the drive cage, for
example. Since you cannot get templates showing the layout of whatever
prospective mobo you want to get, you don't know if the layout fits the
internals of the case. Also, as I mentioned, if the user (or another user)
decides to install a much larger heatsink but which requires using the
mounting holes in the mobo, they have to remove the mobo to get to the
backside of it to affix the mounting studs or supports for the heatsink. If
you build a system that will never be upgraded then you only care about
assembly effort. I don't recall ever having a computer that I didn't want
to upgrade.

Yeah, using a removable panel onto which the mobo is mounted could reduce
strength of the case as regards to twisting, but how often do users twist
their cases sufficiently to care about the difference. Quality in the case
can easily compensate for having a removable mobo mount panel (i.e., don't
design the stability of the case based on that panel). Maybe LAN parties
where you lugged around your desktop computer around were popular awhile ago
but who bothers lugging their desktop around anymore. Having a drive cage
that pivots out for ease in removal does not mandate a flimsy case, either.

The video didn't show a mobo installed inside the case. It looks, in this
case, that the ATX mobo would be small enough so all components and
connectors are NOT under the drive cage - at the expense of a pregnant
shaped case that occupies more space in its depth than is functional (i.e.,
the front and back waste space with the round shape while everything inside
is still square shaped). While most of us look forward to reducing the size
of our monitors and cases without losing expandibility or functionality,
here is a case that bucks the trends and gets fat but at the cost of
unusable space.

Of course, there is something weird about users that want to show off their
system case rather than hide it. Reminds me of the old "Voyage to the
Bottom of Sea" television series where they plastered a wall with large
square light tiles that would flash in random order and show rotating tape
drives because they needed something visual as there is nothing to see for
the actual computer. Here is a case that adds nothing for functionality,
wastes space, and sucks air from the bottom just so there is *something*
visual to see. Yeah, bulk it up as though it makes a difference. I'm not
impressed with cases where the users added non-functional light sticks or
glowing fans, either. I'm more impressed with results than looks and
actually prefer to get the stuff *out* of my way and *out* of my view. Are
you really impressed and give extra stature to the idiot that wears a ring
on every finger? Guess the gaudy cluttered look is back in.
 
Damn you're an idiot. I only replied to you once ABOUT MY HAVING THE CASE.

You seeing shit that aint there? So one post telling you to piss off is
being a cry baby? Wow, you just handed me the victory without even trying.

Well, good note to make:
John Wilson is a ****ing idiot and should never be listened to. His remarks
are idiotic and he doesn't know shit about dust.

WAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
ISOHaven said:
Damn you're an idiot. I only replied to you once ABOUT MY HAVING THE
CASE.

You seeing shit that aint there? So one post telling you to piss off is
being a cry baby? Wow, you just handed me the victory without even
trying.

Well, good note to make:
John Wilson is a ****ing idiot and should never be listened to. His
remarks are idiotic and he doesn't know shit about dust.

WAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You haven't participated long in newsgroups. John has managed to be
trollish in his replies and illicted the response from you that he wanted,
which was for you to devolve into a whiny, bitchy, swearing peurile. He
yanked, you got suckered, and you went lower than John (so you were worse
than him).

You said YOUR use of the case in question resulted in hotter temperatures.
The appropriate response to John's question of "provide the address
info for the magazine" should've been that you actually trialed the case and
your statement was NOT founded on some magazine article noting the good and
bad of the case. It does seem impossible to actually buy a computer from a
magazine company. More likely you bought from a supplier that advertised
*in* the unidentified magazine, and referencing that magazine would be
worthless since it was not the source of the claim that the case results in
hotter temperatures. Of course, "hotter" would be a more legit response if
you actually gave some figures, like how hot, how much hotter, which
readings were hotter (CPU, system, or both), and hotter than what.

Normally the PSU's fan *exhausts* out the back. That means the heat from
the PSU never enters the case. However, in this flawed design, the heat
from the PSU is pushed up from the bottom and into the case. Seems a stupid
design. If and only if the PSU was inverted so the fan blew *out* the
bottom of the case would its own heat then get expelled outward and not
preheat the air blown into the case through the PSU. I couldn't find
information that said which direction was the airflow for the PSU's fan -
intake or exhaust. Even if the PSU's fan was an exhaust fan instead of an
intake fan, it would then short-circuit the airflow from the front and yank
out some of the cooler air before it got to pass over the motherboard and
out the backside. Maybe if the PSU was at the back bottom of the case would
the front-side airflow get split somewhat evenly between the bottom PSU and
top backside fans. If the PSU fan blows into the case, it preheats the
internal airspace. If it blows out, it short-circuits the intake airflow.
Bad airflow design just to create a non-functional and clunky visual design.

Your original post was okay but waded off into what John figured was a bit
too spammy. However, most users when they say something is bad want to
stroke their egos by showing off that what they did instead was better.
That's natural. The relevant portion of your post was to note that you
actually tried the case, something John cannot refute since he infers by
omission that he has never tested the case, and you found it to be hotter
(but then you divert by mentioning an air conditioned case that would
probably be cooler than other cases that also were not as hot as the one in
question). The video review mentioned by Jim never actually tests the case
by putting in the normal slew of components (mobo, PSU, drives, video card,
memory, etc.) to see how it actually functions. It must be too new since a
Google on didn't show any actual usage reviews of the case (I only checked
the first page of matches).
 
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