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Taliesyn
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Arthur Entlich
Wow, I think this posting has to top the "ill-informed" "misinformed"
and "downright wrong" prize!!!
1) I have no idea where (e-mail address removed) lives, (and I'm not surprised
he/she would hide behind a fake account, since the information he/she is
providing is so bogus) but in Canada and the US, at least, and likely
the UK and Australia, and maybe most of Europe also, the warranty cannot
be voided by using 3rd party inks, unless the company can prove that
1) Their product won't cause the same problem
2) the product you are/did use did cause the problem
Since that's nearly impossible to prove, although the companies may
"try" to hold off on your warranty (and most won't even bother, because
they know better than to try) they have no legal right to, and if you
push they will honor your warranty.
Yeah, read the fine print, like "digisol" states... see if you see any
direct statement that says using third party inks voids your warranty.
They may strongly suggest you not use 3rd party inks, they may even try
to imply it "might" void your warranty (although I think they stopped
using that wording), but if you find a definitive statement that is will
void your warranty, check with your consumer protection branch in your
country, because most advanced civilizations have laws regarding the
requirements of using a consumables from the company that manufactures a
device.
Next: I have yet to see an Epson print head ruined by cheap ink. They
may clog, but that is almost always resolvable. To ruin the head, you
probably didn't buy cheap inkjet ink. Maybe you got strained prune
juice. ;-)
Next: With Epson printers, which have a permanent head, if you really do
want to void your warranty, then remove the head and soak it! You might
also ruin the head while you are at it. There are safer and better
methods to clear clogs than that. Canon printer heads may benefit from
soaking outside the printer.
I have no idea what "the same stuff you clean CD's with" is. Is there
actually something called "CD cleaner"? I clean mine with dish soap and
warm water, which I would not suggest soaking a print head in, necessarily.
Anyway, nice try "digisol". You win my award for pooling more bad
advice into one small posting than anyone else who I don't already have
on my killfile list. ;-)
Art
and "downright wrong" prize!!!
1) I have no idea where (e-mail address removed) lives, (and I'm not surprised
he/she would hide behind a fake account, since the information he/she is
providing is so bogus) but in Canada and the US, at least, and likely
the UK and Australia, and maybe most of Europe also, the warranty cannot
be voided by using 3rd party inks, unless the company can prove that
1) Their product won't cause the same problem
2) the product you are/did use did cause the problem
Since that's nearly impossible to prove, although the companies may
"try" to hold off on your warranty (and most won't even bother, because
they know better than to try) they have no legal right to, and if you
push they will honor your warranty.
Yeah, read the fine print, like "digisol" states... see if you see any
direct statement that says using third party inks voids your warranty.
They may strongly suggest you not use 3rd party inks, they may even try
to imply it "might" void your warranty (although I think they stopped
using that wording), but if you find a definitive statement that is will
void your warranty, check with your consumer protection branch in your
country, because most advanced civilizations have laws regarding the
requirements of using a consumables from the company that manufactures a
device.
Next: I have yet to see an Epson print head ruined by cheap ink. They
may clog, but that is almost always resolvable. To ruin the head, you
probably didn't buy cheap inkjet ink. Maybe you got strained prune
juice. ;-)
Next: With Epson printers, which have a permanent head, if you really do
want to void your warranty, then remove the head and soak it! You might
also ruin the head while you are at it. There are safer and better
methods to clear clogs than that. Canon printer heads may benefit from
soaking outside the printer.
I have no idea what "the same stuff you clean CD's with" is. Is there
actually something called "CD cleaner"? I clean mine with dish soap and
warm water, which I would not suggest soaking a print head in, necessarily.
Anyway, nice try "digisol". You win my award for pooling more bad
advice into one small posting than anyone else who I don't already have
on my killfile list. ;-)
Art
D
Davy
[[quote:12c93dd702]quote="Arthur Entlic
I clean mine with dish soap and warm water[/quote:12c93dd702
Just a tip
In my job I come across many CDs & DVDs that are severly marke
that they will not play....in this case get either 'Brasso'
'Silvo', these are or liquified metal polish or Duraglit'
'Silverglit' which are a wadding, I find the liquid form of Silvo o
Brasso is better
Simply polish, polish and polish using bags of elbow grease the CD i
a circular motion until the plastic coating is scratch free. Th
actual data is usually on the underside of the top label, some type
the data is in the middle of the coating.... ever tried snappin
one..
Fine grinding paste you use on car pistons can be used on 'GLASS'
Monitor and TV screens, but takes planty of doing..
Dav
I clean mine with dish soap and warm water[/quote:12c93dd702
Just a tip
In my job I come across many CDs & DVDs that are severly marke
that they will not play....in this case get either 'Brasso'
'Silvo', these are or liquified metal polish or Duraglit'
'Silverglit' which are a wadding, I find the liquid form of Silvo o
Brasso is better
Simply polish, polish and polish using bags of elbow grease the CD i
a circular motion until the plastic coating is scratch free. Th
actual data is usually on the underside of the top label, some type
the data is in the middle of the coating.... ever tried snappin
one..
Fine grinding paste you use on car pistons can be used on 'GLASS'
Monitor and TV screens, but takes planty of doing..
Dav
D
Davy
Ron Shawwrote
quote="Ron Shaw
Ron, are you sure it was ink..
Dav
quote="Ron Shaw
BIG FUSS BIG MESS AND MOMMY SPANKS HIM FOR GETTING INK ON TH CARPET
Ron, are you sure it was ink..
Dav
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Arthur Entlich
Yes, I was referring to cleaning, not removing defects and scratches.
I use Turtle Wax car wax for the application you are referring to, and
it seem to work, but as you stated, it requires a lot of sweat equity.
Art
I use Turtle Wax car wax for the application you are referring to, and
it seem to work, but as you stated, it requires a lot of sweat equity.
Art
[[quote:12c93dd702]quote="Arthur Entlich
I clean mine with dish soap and warm water[/quote:12c93dd702]
Just a tip.
In my job I come across many CDs & DVDs that are severly marked
that they will not play....in this case get either 'Brasso',
'Silvo', these are or liquified metal polish or Duraglit',
'Silverglit' which are a wadding, I find the liquid form of Silvo or
Brasso is better.
Simply polish, polish and polish using bags of elbow grease the CD in
a circular motion until the plastic coating is scratch free. The
actual data is usually on the underside of the top label, some types
the data is in the middle of the coating.... ever tried snapping
one..!
Fine grinding paste you use on car pistons can be used on 'GLASS'
Monitor and TV screens, but takes planty of doing..!
Davy
D
Davy
I was just adding to the comment Art, hence comment about removing
scratches from TV/monitor screens, never tried Turtle wax in either
cases.
These are a little more abrasive than Turtle wax.
Davy
scratches from TV/monitor screens, never tried Turtle wax in either
cases.
These are a little more abrasive than Turtle wax.
Davy
M
measekite
Arthur said:Wow, I think this posting has to top the "ill-informed" "misinformed"
and "downright wrong" prize!!!
IT SEEMS THE GUY MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
1) I have no idea where (e-mail address removed) lives, (and I'm not surprised
he/she would hide behind a fake account, since the information he/she
is providing is so bogus)
I BELIEVE WHAT THE POSTER IS SAYING
but in Canada and the US, at least, and likely the UK and Australia,
and maybe most of Europe also, the warranty cannot be voided by using
3rd party inks, unless the company can prove that
1) Their product won't cause the same problem
2) the product you are/did use did cause the problem
Since that's nearly impossible to prove, although the companies may
"try" to hold off on your warranty (and most won't even bother,
because they know better than to try) they have no legal right to, and
if you push they will honor your warranty.
Yeah, read the fine print, like "digisol" states... see if you see any
direct statement that says using third party inks voids your warranty.
They may strongly suggest you not use 3rd party inks,
GOOD ADVICE
they may even try to imply it "might" void your warranty (although I
think they stopped using that wording), but if you find a definitive
statement that is will void your warranty, check with your consumer
protection branch in your country, because most advanced civilizations
have laws regarding the requirements of using a consumables from the
company that manufactures a device.
Next: I have yet to see an Epson print head ruined by cheap ink.
I READ ABOUT IT ALL OF THE TIME
They may clog, but that is almost always resolvable. To ruin the
head, you probably didn't buy cheap inkjet ink. Maybe you got
strained prune juice. ;-)
Next: With Epson printers, which have a permanent head, if you really
do want to void your warranty, then remove the head and soak it!
TAKE A BATH WITH THE PRINTHEAD
You might also ruin the head while you are at it. There are safer and
better methods to clear clogs than that. Canon printer heads may
benefit from soaking outside the printer.
I have no idea what "the same stuff you clean CD's with" is. Is there
actually something called "CD cleaner"? I clean mine with dish soap
and warm water, which I would not suggest soaking a print head in,
necessarily.
Anyway, nice try "digisol". You win my award for pooling more bad
advice into one small posting than anyone else who I don't already
have on my killfile list. ;-)
I THINK DIGISOL SHOULD POST A LOT MORE. I LIKE READING HIS STUFF.
M
measekite
Taliesyn said:Several people in this newsgroup came to this conclusion long ago.
-Taliesyn
NOPEE GADOPEE
M
measekite
DIGISOL I BELIEVE WHAT YOU ARE POSTINGBurt said:(snip)
Digisol - I've been using MIS bulk inks in my Canon i960 printers for more
than a year. Excellent color balance, prints comparable (side-by-side same
file print comparison), no clogs or malfunctions, and about one dollar per
cart refill as compared to OEM prices of about $12 per cart.
THAT IS A GOOD PRICEEven at Costco
prices of about $9 per cart that's a real difference in cost.
THEY HAVE ALL OF THE INK COLORS INCLUDING THE ONES FOR THE I960 AND IP6600AND costco
doesn't have all the ink colors for my printer on the store shelf.
YOU CAN EVEN SEE MANY OF THEM AT WWW.COSTCO.COM
M
measekite
FB said:None of the above is true.
Frank
I BELIEVE ALL OF WHAT DIGISOL IS SAYING. SEEING HOW HE HIS A HOTSPOT
WITH THE CHURCH. THEY ARE GETTING UNGLUED. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE ARE
MANY IN THIS NG WHO ARE EITHER OR ARE ASSOCIATED WITH OR HAVE SOME
INTEREST IN THE PROMOTION OF AFTERMARKET INK.
M
measekite
THAT IS WHY THEY HAVE A HIGHER CLOG RATE AND USE MORE INK AND REQUREzakezuke said:Actually micropiezos are more tollerant to different media... it's
those pesky thermal technologies that depend on chemistry... or rather
the rate that a liquid turns into a gas... that are more fickle. But
all of this is accidemic as most if not all consumer based inkjets are
primarly water based.
MORE CLEANING CYCLES.
Show me where *anyone* expressly says this in the fine print.
Seriously... under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act if use of consumables
is a prerequisite for warranty coverage then they must provide these
consumables *for free* during the warranty period. Seriously if you
can actually quote anyone who officaly says third-party ink voids the
warranty I'm buying that printer... and i'll make damn sure I get my
year of free ink.
I have seen the following
"Canon has more engineers dedicated to creating quality ink for
providing the best results for output on Bubble Jet printers than any
other organization.
TRUE
Canon does not prohibit the use of third-party inks
and the use of third-party inks does not invalidate the product's
limited warranty.
I WONDER WHYHowever, Canon cannot guarantee the quality or
performance of your printer when you are using inks from other
suppliers."
M
measekite
I AGREE WITH YOU. IT IS NOT WORTH IT WITH ONLY ONE EXCEPTION. IF YOURdigisol said:Nope, never, it's not worth a print head to use cheap ink, especially
with Epson printers, Canon seen to be able to take the cheap ink
better but for a few lousy dollars, buy the genuine stuff.
PRINT LOAD IS SO HIGH YOU MAY GET AWAY WITH THE FEW CHANGES BEFORE YOU
GET A CLOG SO YOU JUST TOSS THE PRINTER. THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT IS
THE QUALITY OF THE RESULTS MAY NOT BE NEAR THE STANDARD YOU EXPECT.
GEE I AM GLAD I READ YOUR STUFFMost printer warranties are voided with the use of any non genuine
ink, some is better than others, plus it's classed as a modification
to the printer and voids the warranty immediately, if
ya don't beleive it, read the fine print !
Canon print heads are worth more than a new later model printer, so
when they don't work just buy another.
D
digisol
Read it and weep, In plain English.
http://www.epson.com.au/warranty/backtobase.asp?fromnav=3
I know from personal experience that if you take your printer to a
service centre for repair "usually a blocked print head" once they
test the ink and find it is non genuine ink "your stuffed sunshine"
Warranties for other brands are worded the same or very similar, and
like I said some will accept the cheap ink and work fine, others will
not take it and will die very quickly.
You will notice the sections Warranty Exclusions "d" modifications,
where the use of a non genuine ink voids the warranty.
In particular to Epson, the use of a non genuine ink is classed as a
modification of the printer and voids the warranty instantly.
And the last section of -non genuine items- contains "non genuine ink"
as something that voids your warranty.
Sure the cheap stuff may work, but don't expect the company to fix it
because you used cheap ink and blocked the print head, I know from
personal experience with Epson, as I have done it.
BTW the canon Extended warranty is the same thing, do you think they
will put a $200 print head in your broken printer because you are as
tight as a nun's #### ? NO they won't.
My apologies to the management, the warranty is there to be read for
all.
READ IT if ya can ! Derrr
http://www.epson.com.au/warranty/backtobase.asp?fromnav=3
I know from personal experience that if you take your printer to a
service centre for repair "usually a blocked print head" once they
test the ink and find it is non genuine ink "your stuffed sunshine"
Warranties for other brands are worded the same or very similar, and
like I said some will accept the cheap ink and work fine, others will
not take it and will die very quickly.
You will notice the sections Warranty Exclusions "d" modifications,
where the use of a non genuine ink voids the warranty.
In particular to Epson, the use of a non genuine ink is classed as a
modification of the printer and voids the warranty instantly.
And the last section of -non genuine items- contains "non genuine ink"
as something that voids your warranty.
Sure the cheap stuff may work, but don't expect the company to fix it
because you used cheap ink and blocked the print head, I know from
personal experience with Epson, as I have done it.
BTW the canon Extended warranty is the same thing, do you think they
will put a $200 print head in your broken printer because you are as
tight as a nun's #### ? NO they won't.
My apologies to the management, the warranty is there to be read for
all.
READ IT if ya can ! Derrr
M
measekite
I BELIEVE YOU. THAT IS THE WAY IS SHOULD BE. WHY SHOULD THEY PAY FORdigisol said:Read it and weep, In plain English.
http://www.epson.com.au/warranty/backtobase.asp?fromnav=3
I know from personal experience that if you take your printer to a
service centre for repair "usually a blocked print head" once they
test the ink and find it is non genuine ink "your stuffed sunshine"
IDIOTS WHO KNOWINGLY RUIN THEIR PRINTERS. THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD BY PEOPLE
LIKE US THAT IT IS BEST TO USE OEM INK REGARDLESS THE PRINTER.
PEOPLE WHO USE THE AFTERMARKET INKS BUY FROM VENDORS WHO REFUSE TO LETWarranties for other brands are worded the same or very similar, and
like I said some will accept the cheap ink and work fine, others will
not take it and will die very quickly.
You will notice the sections Warranty Exclusions "d" modifications,
where the use of a non genuine ink voids the warranty.
In particular to Epson, the use of a non genuine ink is classed as a
modification of the printer and voids the warranty instantly.
And the last section of -non genuine items- contains "non genuine ink"
as something that voids your warranty.
THEM KNOW WHAT THEY ARE BUYING. HOW ASTUTE DOES ONE HAVE TO BE TO STAY
AWAY FROM RESELLERS LIKE THAT.
YEAH AND I BET THE CHEAP INK DID NOT PRODUCE AS GOOD A RESULTS AND THESure the cheap stuff may work, but don't expect the company to fix it
because you used cheap ink and blocked the print head, I know from
personal experience with Epson, as I have done it.
OEM STUFF.
I DO NOT BLAME THEMBTW the canon Extended warranty is the same thing, do you think they
will put a $200 print head in your broken printer because you are as
tight as a nun's #### ? NO they won't.
AMENMy apologies to the management, the warranty is there to be read for
all.
READ IT if ya can ! Derrr
BOY THEY ARE GOING TO HOLD AN INQUISITION ON YOU AND HANG YOU FOR BLASPHAMY.
A
Anna Daptor
digisol said:Read it and weep, In plain English.
http://www.epson.com.au/warranty/backtobase.asp?fromnav=3
I know from personal experience that if you take your printer to a
service centre for repair "usually a blocked print head" once they
test the ink and find it is non genuine ink "your stuffed sunshine"
Warranties for other brands are worded the same or very similar, and
like I said some will accept the cheap ink and work fine, others will
not take it and will die very quickly.
You will notice the sections Warranty Exclusions "d" modifications,
where the use of a non genuine ink voids the warranty.
In particular to Epson, the use of a non genuine ink is classed as a
modification of the printer and voids the warranty instantly.
And the last section of -non genuine items- contains "non genuine ink"
as something that voids your warranty.
Read the wording carefully:
"This Warranty will not apply if:
....
A Product's malfunction or failure results from deliberate or accidental
damage, neglect, modification, incorrect voltage, power surges or your use
of non-Genuine software, replacement parts, Consumables, accessories and/or
interfacing. "
Only if it can be proven that use of 3rd party consumables caused the
malfunction, and as we all know Epson print heads block even when using
Epson inks.
Sure the cheap stuff may work, but don't expect the company to fix it
because you used cheap ink and blocked the print head, I know from
personal experience with Epson, as I have done it.
You should learn to stand up for your rights and not let Epson fob you off
with excuses.
D
digisol
And for the Canon users don't feel left out, "read it
Canon U.S A Inc ("Canon USA") warrants its Visualizers to be free fro
defects in workmanship and materials under normal use and maintenanc
conditions for a Period of one (1) year from delivery to the origina
purchaser by Canon USA or its authorized dealer. During such warrant
period, defective Equipment which is returned to Canon USA's Factor
Service Center and proven to be defective upon inspection will b
repaired or exchanged for new or comparable rebuilt Equipment
Warranty replacement shall not extend the warranty period of th
defective Equipment
When returning Equipment to Canon USA's Factory Service Cente
indicated on the limited warranty card, the purchaser must pre-pa
the shipping charges, if any and enclose a bill of sale, copy o
warranty card, or other proof of purchase together with a complet
explanation of the problem. Equipment covered by this limite
warranty will be repaired and returned to the purchaser withou
charge. Repairs not under warranty will beat such cost as Canon US
may from time to time generally establish
This warranty does not extend to used Equipment or to software. Th
purchaser will be solely responsible for obtaining and installing al
required software, programming design or coding, as to all of whic
Canon USA shall have no responsibility
This warranty shall only apply if the Equipment is used in conjunctio
with compatible computers, peripheral equipment and software, as t
which items Canon USA shall have no responsibility
NON-CANON BRAND COMPUTERS, PERIPHERAL EQUIPMENT AND SOFTWARE WHICH MA
BE DISTRIBUTED WITH THE EQUIPMENT ARE SOLD "AS IS', WITHOUT WARRANT
OF ANY KIND BY CANON USA, INCLUDING ANY IMPLIED WARRANTY O
MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. The sol
warranty, if any, with respect to any such non-Canon brand item i
given by the manufacturer or producer thereof. Separate warrantie
are given for other Canon brand products, accessories or softwar
which may be used with the Equipment
THIS WARRANTY SHALL BE VOID AND OF NO FORCE AND EFFECT WITH RESPECT T
ANY EQUIPMENT WHICH IS DAMAGED AS A RESULT OF; (A) NEGLECT
ALTERATION. ELECTRIC CURRENT FLUCTUATION OR ACCIDENT; (B) IMPROPE
USE, INCLUDING FAILURE TO FOLLOW OPERATING, MAINTENANCE AN
ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS PRESCRIBED IN CANON USA'S INSTRUCTIO
MANUAL; (C) REPAIR BY OTHER THAN SERVICE REPRESENTATIVES QUALIFIED B
CANON USA AND ACTING IN ACCORDANCE WITH CANON USA'S SERVICE BULLETINS
(D) USE OF SUPPLIES OR PARTS (OTHER THAN THOSE DISTRIBUTED BY CANO
USA) WHICH CAUSE ABNORMALLY FREOUENT SERVICE CALLS OR SERVIC
PROBLEMS;OR (E) USE OF THE EQUIPMENT WITH NON-COMPATIBLE COMPUTERS
DEVICES OR SOFTWARE. NOR DOES THIS WARRANTY EXTEND TO ANY EQUIPMEN
ON WHICH THE ORIGINAL IDENTIFICATION MARKS OR SERIAL NUMBERS HAV
BEEN DEFACED, REMOVED OR ALTERED
THE WARRANTY CONTAINED ABOVE IS IN LIEU OP ALL OTHER WARRANTIES
EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING ANY IMPLIED WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILIT
OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, RELATING TO THE USE O
PERFORMANCE OF THE EQUIPMENT. NO OTHER EXPRESS WARRANTY OR GUARANTE
EXCEPT AS MENTIONED ABOVE, GIVEN BY ANY PERSON, FIRM, OR CORPORATIO
WITH RESPECT TO THE EQUIPMENT SHALL BIND CANON USA. CANON USA WIL
NOT BE LIABLE FOR PERSONAL INJURY OR PROPERTY DAMAGE (UNLESS CAUSE
SOLELY BY CANON USA'S NEGLIGENCE), LOSS OF REVENUE OR PROFIT, FAILUR
TO REALIZE SAVINGS OR OTHER BENEFITS, EXPENDITURES FOR SUBSTITUT
EQUIPMENT OR SERVICES, STORAGE CHARGES, LOSS OR CORRUPTION OF IMAG
OR DATA, OR OTHER SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGE
ARISING OUT OF THE USE, MISUSE OR INABILITY TO USE THE EQUIPMENT
REGARDLESS OF THE LEGAL THEORY ON WHICH THE CLAIM IS BASED AND EVE
IF CANON USA HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. I
NO EVENT SHALL CANON USA'S LIABILITY HEREUNDER EXCEED THE SELLIN
PRICE OF THE EQUIPMENT TO THE PURCHASER. WITHOUT LIMITING TH
FOREGOING, THE PURCHASER ASSUMES ALL RISK AND LIABILITY FOR LOSS
DAMAGE OR INJURY TO PERSONS AND PROPERTY OF THE PURCHASER OR OTHER
ARISING OUT OF USE OR POSSESSION OF ANY EQUIPMENT SOLD BY CANON US
NOT CAUSED DIRECTLY BY THE NEGLIGENCE OF CANON USA. THIS LIMITED
WARRANTY SHALL NOT EXTEND TO ANYONE OTHER THAN THE ORIGINAL PURCHASER
OF THE EQUIPMENT AND STATES SUCH PURCHASER'S EXCLUSIVE REMEDY.
I rest my case, use the cheap ink at your own risk, the companies will
NOT fix em due to cheap non genuine ink,
Does no one bother to read the warranties they get ?
Canon U.S A Inc ("Canon USA") warrants its Visualizers to be free fro
defects in workmanship and materials under normal use and maintenanc
conditions for a Period of one (1) year from delivery to the origina
purchaser by Canon USA or its authorized dealer. During such warrant
period, defective Equipment which is returned to Canon USA's Factor
Service Center and proven to be defective upon inspection will b
repaired or exchanged for new or comparable rebuilt Equipment
Warranty replacement shall not extend the warranty period of th
defective Equipment
When returning Equipment to Canon USA's Factory Service Cente
indicated on the limited warranty card, the purchaser must pre-pa
the shipping charges, if any and enclose a bill of sale, copy o
warranty card, or other proof of purchase together with a complet
explanation of the problem. Equipment covered by this limite
warranty will be repaired and returned to the purchaser withou
charge. Repairs not under warranty will beat such cost as Canon US
may from time to time generally establish
This warranty does not extend to used Equipment or to software. Th
purchaser will be solely responsible for obtaining and installing al
required software, programming design or coding, as to all of whic
Canon USA shall have no responsibility
This warranty shall only apply if the Equipment is used in conjunctio
with compatible computers, peripheral equipment and software, as t
which items Canon USA shall have no responsibility
NON-CANON BRAND COMPUTERS, PERIPHERAL EQUIPMENT AND SOFTWARE WHICH MA
BE DISTRIBUTED WITH THE EQUIPMENT ARE SOLD "AS IS', WITHOUT WARRANT
OF ANY KIND BY CANON USA, INCLUDING ANY IMPLIED WARRANTY O
MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. The sol
warranty, if any, with respect to any such non-Canon brand item i
given by the manufacturer or producer thereof. Separate warrantie
are given for other Canon brand products, accessories or softwar
which may be used with the Equipment
THIS WARRANTY SHALL BE VOID AND OF NO FORCE AND EFFECT WITH RESPECT T
ANY EQUIPMENT WHICH IS DAMAGED AS A RESULT OF; (A) NEGLECT
ALTERATION. ELECTRIC CURRENT FLUCTUATION OR ACCIDENT; (B) IMPROPE
USE, INCLUDING FAILURE TO FOLLOW OPERATING, MAINTENANCE AN
ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS PRESCRIBED IN CANON USA'S INSTRUCTIO
MANUAL; (C) REPAIR BY OTHER THAN SERVICE REPRESENTATIVES QUALIFIED B
CANON USA AND ACTING IN ACCORDANCE WITH CANON USA'S SERVICE BULLETINS
(D) USE OF SUPPLIES OR PARTS (OTHER THAN THOSE DISTRIBUTED BY CANO
USA) WHICH CAUSE ABNORMALLY FREOUENT SERVICE CALLS OR SERVIC
PROBLEMS;OR (E) USE OF THE EQUIPMENT WITH NON-COMPATIBLE COMPUTERS
DEVICES OR SOFTWARE. NOR DOES THIS WARRANTY EXTEND TO ANY EQUIPMEN
ON WHICH THE ORIGINAL IDENTIFICATION MARKS OR SERIAL NUMBERS HAV
BEEN DEFACED, REMOVED OR ALTERED
THE WARRANTY CONTAINED ABOVE IS IN LIEU OP ALL OTHER WARRANTIES
EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING ANY IMPLIED WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILIT
OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, RELATING TO THE USE O
PERFORMANCE OF THE EQUIPMENT. NO OTHER EXPRESS WARRANTY OR GUARANTE
EXCEPT AS MENTIONED ABOVE, GIVEN BY ANY PERSON, FIRM, OR CORPORATIO
WITH RESPECT TO THE EQUIPMENT SHALL BIND CANON USA. CANON USA WIL
NOT BE LIABLE FOR PERSONAL INJURY OR PROPERTY DAMAGE (UNLESS CAUSE
SOLELY BY CANON USA'S NEGLIGENCE), LOSS OF REVENUE OR PROFIT, FAILUR
TO REALIZE SAVINGS OR OTHER BENEFITS, EXPENDITURES FOR SUBSTITUT
EQUIPMENT OR SERVICES, STORAGE CHARGES, LOSS OR CORRUPTION OF IMAG
OR DATA, OR OTHER SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGE
ARISING OUT OF THE USE, MISUSE OR INABILITY TO USE THE EQUIPMENT
REGARDLESS OF THE LEGAL THEORY ON WHICH THE CLAIM IS BASED AND EVE
IF CANON USA HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. I
NO EVENT SHALL CANON USA'S LIABILITY HEREUNDER EXCEED THE SELLIN
PRICE OF THE EQUIPMENT TO THE PURCHASER. WITHOUT LIMITING TH
FOREGOING, THE PURCHASER ASSUMES ALL RISK AND LIABILITY FOR LOSS
DAMAGE OR INJURY TO PERSONS AND PROPERTY OF THE PURCHASER OR OTHER
ARISING OUT OF USE OR POSSESSION OF ANY EQUIPMENT SOLD BY CANON US
NOT CAUSED DIRECTLY BY THE NEGLIGENCE OF CANON USA. THIS LIMITED
WARRANTY SHALL NOT EXTEND TO ANYONE OTHER THAN THE ORIGINAL PURCHASER
OF THE EQUIPMENT AND STATES SUCH PURCHASER'S EXCLUSIVE REMEDY.
I rest my case, use the cheap ink at your own risk, the companies will
NOT fix em due to cheap non genuine ink,
Does no one bother to read the warranties they get ?
B
Burt
digisol said:Read it and weep, In plain English.
http://www.epson.com.au/warranty/backtobase.asp?fromnav=3
I know from personal experience that if you take your printer to a
service centre for repair "usually a blocked print head" once they
test the ink and find it is non genuine ink "your stuffed sunshine"
Warranties for other brands are worded the same or very similar, and
like I said some will accept the cheap ink and work fine, others will
not take it and will die very quickly.
You will notice the sections Warranty Exclusions "d" modifications,
where the use of a non genuine ink voids the warranty.
In particular to Epson, the use of a non genuine ink is classed as a
modification of the printer and voids the warranty instantly.
And the last section of -non genuine items- contains "non genuine ink"
as something that voids your warranty.
Sure the cheap stuff may work, but don't expect the company to fix it
because you used cheap ink and blocked the print head, I know from
personal experience with Epson, as I have done it.
BTW the canon Extended warranty is the same thing, do you think they
will put a $200 print head in your broken printer because you are as
tight as a nun's #### ? NO they won't.
My apologies to the management, the warranty is there to be read for
all.
READ IT if ya can ! Derrr
Digisol - There are a few of us former colonials who have learned to read in
the US. Those who can't simply buy overpriced OEM inks.
Sorry to see that Epson has attempted to screw the folks in OZ for using
aftermarket "consumables", some of which are every bit as good as OEM. I'd
invite you to re-read the part where it says that the use of non-Epson
consumables MAY void the warranty. They are hedging - probably because they
wouldn't have a leg to stand on legally if your warranty laws in OZ are
worth the paper they are printed on.
I'd echo Arthur Entlich's response regarding aftermarket inks and
printheads. Granted that some of these products are junk to be avoided,
the benefit of participating in this newsgroup and in the Nifty-stuff forum
is that we share information that we have gained from experience (except for
our resident troll who speaks from personal bias and not from experience.)
Several of us have found aftermarket inks that do not harm our printers and
do produce excellent prints. We're only too happy to share the knowledge
we've gained in this area.
I don't have a problem with you and others buying and using OEM inks. I'm
curious to know why you use such pejoritive terms in describing the
aftermarket inks as "cheap", implying poor quality, and those of use who use
them as "tight as a nun's ####." You only need to see the prints I've
produced with MIS bulk ink in my Canon i960 to realize that the ink quality
is quite good. In the year that I've used these inks I've refilled the
equivalent of at least 70 bci-6 cartridges with these bulk inks. At
approximately $10 US per cart that would be a cost of about $700. Including
the ink I still have on hand and the extra carts I've purchased, I've spent
about $135 in aftermarket carts and inks. My savings, so far, amount to
about $565 and I still have enough ink left to fill another 24 carts!
That's an additional savings of about $200 from the materials I've already
purchased. Total savings from ink and carts already used plus material on
hand to be used is about $750. You can call me "tight as a nun's ####" if
you wish, but I prefer to consider myself a prudent consumer.
BTW - How tight IS a nun's ###? Since you used the phrase, I assume that you
have some personal experience in this area (no pun intended) , just as you
must have to make your authoritative comments about aftermarket inks.
F
fb
Too bad you Aussie's let Epson screw you like that. I've take threedigisol said:Read it and weep, In plain English.
http://www.epson.com.au/warranty/backtobase.asp?fromnav=3
I know from personal experience that if you take your printer to a
service centre for repair "usually a blocked print head" once they
test the ink and find it is non genuine ink "your stuffed sunshine"
Warranties for other brands are worded the same or very similar, and
like I said some will accept the cheap ink and work fine, others will
not take it and will die very quickly.
You will notice the sections Warranty Exclusions "d" modifications,
where the use of a non genuine ink voids the warranty.
In particular to Epson, the use of a non genuine ink is classed as a
modification of the printer and voids the warranty instantly.
And the last section of -non genuine items- contains "non genuine ink"
as something that voids your warranty.
Sure the cheap stuff may work, but don't expect the company to fix it
because you used cheap ink and blocked the print head, I know from
personal experience with Epson, as I have done it.
BTW the canon Extended warranty is the same thing, do you think they
will put a $200 print head in your broken printer because you are as
tight as a nun's #### ? NO they won't.
My apologies to the management, the warranty is there to be read for
all.
READ IT if ya can ! Derrr
Epson printers in for under warranty work all with 3rd party ink carts.
NEVER did they question the brand/label of ink I was using.
Of course I live in the US of A!
Frank
M
measekite
digisol said:And for the Canon users don't feel left out, "read it"
Canon U.S A Inc ("Canon USA") warrants its Visualizers to be free from
defects in workmanship and materials under normal use and maintenance
conditions for a Period of one (1) year from delivery to the original
purchaser by Canon USA or its authorized dealer. During such warranty
period, defective Equipment which is returned to Canon USA's Factory
Service Center and proven to be defective upon inspection will be
repaired or exchanged for new or comparable rebuilt Equipment.
Warranty replacement shall not extend the warranty period of the
defective Equipment.
When returning Equipment to Canon USA's Factory Service Center
indicated on the limited warranty card, the purchaser must pre-pay
the shipping charges, if any and enclose a bill of sale, copy of
warranty card, or other proof of purchase together with a complete
explanation of the problem. Equipment covered by this limited
warranty will be repaired and returned to the purchaser without
charge. Repairs not under warranty will beat such cost as Canon USA
may from time to time generally establish.
This warranty does not extend to used Equipment or to software. The
purchaser will be solely responsible for obtaining and installing all
required software, programming design or coding, as to all of which
Canon USA shall have no responsibility.
This warranty shall only apply if the Equipment is used in conjunction
with compatible computers, peripheral equipment and software, as to
which items Canon USA shall have no responsibility.
NON-CANON BRAND COMPUTERS, PERIPHERAL EQUIPMENT AND SOFTWARE WHICH MAY
BE DISTRIBUTED WITH THE EQUIPMENT ARE SOLD "AS IS', WITHOUT WARRANTY
OF ANY KIND BY CANON USA, INCLUDING ANY IMPLIED WARRANTY OF
MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. The sole
warranty, if any, with respect to any such non-Canon brand item is
given by the manufacturer or producer thereof. Separate warranties
are given for other Canon brand products, accessories or software
which may be used with the Equipment.
THIS WARRANTY SHALL BE VOID AND OF NO FORCE AND EFFECT WITH RESPECT TO
ANY EQUIPMENT WHICH IS *DAMAGED AS A RESULT OF*; (A) NEGLECT,
ALTERATION. ELECTRIC CURRENT FLUCTUATION OR ACCIDENT; (B) IMPROPER
USE, INCLUDING FAILURE TO FOLLOW OPERATING, MAINTENANCE AND
ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS PRESCRIBED IN CANON USA'S INSTRUCTION
MANUAL; (C) REPAIR BY OTHER THAN SERVICE REPRESENTATIVES QUALIFIED BY
CANON USA AND ACTING IN ACCORDANCE WITH CANON USA'S SERVICE BULLETINS;
OH YEAR LIKE AFTERMARKET INK THAT CAUSES HEAD CLOGGING. I AGREE WITH THIS.(D) USE OF SUPPLIES OR PARTS (OTHER THAN THOSE DISTRIBUTED BY CANON
USA) WHICH CAUSE ABNORMALLY FREOUENT SERVICE CALLS OR SERVICE
PROBLEMS;
BUT I DO WISH THERE WOULD BE BRANDED AFTERMARKET INKS THAT WERE OF A 100
EQUAL ALTERNATIVE TO USE AT LESS THAN HALF THE PRICE AND THEY WOULD BE
PROPERLY PACKAGED AND LABELED WITH THE BRAND NAME AND SOLD IN ALL VENUES.
I AGREE WITH YOU. IT IS NOT BLASPHEMYOR (E) USE OF THE EQUIPMENT WITH NON-COMPATIBLE COMPUTERS,
DEVICES OR SOFTWARE. NOR DOES THIS WARRANTY EXTEND TO ANY EQUIPMENT
ON WHICH THE ORIGINAL IDENTIFICATION MARKS OR SERIAL NUMBERS HAVE
BEEN DEFACED, REMOVED OR ALTERED.
THE WARRANTY CONTAINED ABOVE IS IN LIEU OP ALL OTHER WARRANTIES,
EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING ANY IMPLIED WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY
OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, RELATING TO THE USE OR
PERFORMANCE OF THE EQUIPMENT. NO OTHER EXPRESS WARRANTY OR GUARANTEE
EXCEPT AS MENTIONED ABOVE, GIVEN BY ANY PERSON, FIRM, OR CORPORATION
WITH RESPECT TO THE EQUIPMENT SHALL BIND CANON USA. CANON USA WILL
NOT BE LIABLE FOR PERSONAL INJURY OR PROPERTY DAMAGE (UNLESS CAUSED
SOLELY BY CANON USA'S NEGLIGENCE), LOSS OF REVENUE OR PROFIT, FAILURE
TO REALIZE SAVINGS OR OTHER BENEFITS, EXPENDITURES FOR SUBSTITUTE
EQUIPMENT OR SERVICES, STORAGE CHARGES, LOSS OR CORRUPTION OF IMAGE
OR DATA, OR OTHER SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES
ARISING OUT OF THE USE, MISUSE OR INABILITY TO USE THE EQUIPMENT,
REGARDLESS OF THE LEGAL THEORY ON WHICH THE CLAIM IS BASED AND EVEN
IF CANON USA HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. IN
NO EVENT SHALL CANON USA'S LIABILITY HEREUNDER EXCEED THE SELLING
PRICE OF THE EQUIPMENT TO THE PURCHASER. WITHOUT LIMITING THE
FOREGOING, THE PURCHASER ASSUMES ALL RISK AND LIABILITY FOR LOSS.
DAMAGE OR INJURY TO PERSONS AND PROPERTY OF THE PURCHASER OR OTHERS
ARISING OUT OF USE OR POSSESSION OF ANY EQUIPMENT SOLD BY CANON USA
NOT CAUSED DIRECTLY BY THE NEGLIGENCE OF CANON USA. THIS LIMITED
WARRANTY SHALL NOT EXTEND TO ANYONE OTHER THAN THE ORIGINAL PURCHASER
OF THE EQUIPMENT AND STATES SUCH PURCHASER'S EXCLUSIVE REMEDY.
I rest my case, use the cheap ink at your own risk, the companies will
NOT fix em due to cheap non genuine ink,
M
measekite
WHILE SOME OF WHAT YOU SAY IS TRUE RELATIVE TO EPSON THE RISK IS MUCHAnna said:Read the wording carefully:
"This Warranty will not apply if:
...
A Product's malfunction or failure results from deliberate or accidental
damage, neglect, modification, incorrect voltage, power surges or your use
of non-Genuine software, replacement parts, Consumables, accessories and/or
interfacing. "
Only if it can be proven that use of 3rd party consumables caused the
malfunction, and as we all know Epson print heads block even when using
Epson inks.
HIGHER THAT EPSON HEADS CLOG WITH INK THAT HAVE NO BUSINESS IN THE
PRINTER.