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measekite
I don't know for sure but there may be a small difference in the printhead.
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Jochen Schmid
I do not use the dye based black when printing test because I choose
plain paper. The paper choice is what controls which black is used.
Do I understand it right? If you select plain paper and duplex
printing the iP4000 uses pigment based ink like it does for single
side printing? Canon does not have this information on their web site
but other sources gave me the information that the printer uses dye
based ink for duplex printing because it dries faster.
Thank you for your input.
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Jochen Schmid
It's not at all uncommon...and it makes me wonder how many people have
put through 10,000-20,000+ pages without issues.
The service manual says something about 18,000 pages as printer
lifetime.
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Jochen Schmid
Yup....for those Russians in Siberia who still use PP and Windows 95a.
Or those Europeans who want to attach the printer to an old notebook
(without USB port) running Linux.
You know what USB really means? (U)seless (S)erial (B)us.
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measekite
Jochen said:Do I understand it right? If you select plain paper and duplex
printing the iP4000 uses pigment based ink like it does for single
side printing? Canon does not have this information on their web site
but other sources gave me the information that the printer uses dye
based ink for duplex printing because it dries faster.
Thank you for your input.
I believe that is correct. You can adjust the time of drying in the driver.
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Ron Cohen
That is correct. Plain paper mode uses pigment black. All other paper
selections do not use pigment black, but instead use photo black. If one
wanted to prove this it can be done by swapping the photo black tank with
one of the other colors. Print some large solids to purge the residual ink
and then run some tests. It wastes a bit of ink to do this, but it will show
the above to be a true statement.
Ron
selections do not use pigment black, but instead use photo black. If one
wanted to prove this it can be done by swapping the photo black tank with
one of the other colors. Print some large solids to purge the residual ink
and then run some tests. It wastes a bit of ink to do this, but it will show
the above to be a true statement.
Ron
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Ron Cohen
That's a whole lot of photo's. Don't worry about the printer life or cost.
Without even considering ink costs, just think of how expensive the paper
will be to print that quantity. <g>
Ron
Without even considering ink costs, just think of how expensive the paper
will be to print that quantity. <g>
Ron
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Bill
Ron said:That's a whole lot of photo's. Don't worry about the printer life or cost.
Unfortunately that's not photos though.
A single 4x6 photo is roughly equal to about what, say 20 pages
(100/5%=20), so the number of photos is only about 1,000 and then it's
time for a new printhead.
Without even considering ink costs, just think of how expensive the paper
will be to print that quantity. <g>
It's not that bad...about 10 cents per 4x6 sheet. Less if you buy 8.5x11
and cut down to size.
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Bill
Jochen said:The service manual says something about 18,000 pages as printer
lifetime.
Really...I'd like to get my hands on a service manual.
Unfortunately the owner's manual (or brochures) doesn't have any mention
of printer or printhead life other than to say the printhead is
"designed to last the life of the printer" - rather vague.
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Ron Cohen
I guess you didn't notice the <g>. I guess I was a little to subtle on that
one.
Ron
one.
Ron
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Jochen Schmid
That is correct. Plain paper mode uses pigment black.
If that is also true for duplex prints on plain paper this may be my
next printer. Thank you.
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Jochen Schmid
Really...I'd like to get my hands on a service manual.
<http://fileshare.eshop.bg/index.php?what=search>
Search for "iP4000".
Unfortunately the owner's manual (or brochures) doesn't have any mention
of printer or printhead life other than to say the printhead is
"designed to last the life of the printer"
Or vice versa.
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measekite
Jochen said:If that is also true for duplex prints on plain paper this may be my
next printer. Thank you.
I am very well satisfied thus far (9 months). I hope I do not have the
problems that people in this NG speak about. I am hoping for 5 years
use from this printer. By then there will probably be better technology
out on the market.
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Bill
Ron said:I guess you didn't notice the <g>. I guess I was a little to subtle on that
one.
Oops...you're right, I didn't notice the grin the first time around. And
I should have known better...aren't you one of the no-name paper users?
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Bill
Jochen said:
Excellent site for info...thanks.
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Ivor Floppy
Bill said:Excellent site for info...thanks.
Geeze..
<quote>
1-3. Product Life (1) Printer Specified print volume
(I) Print volume A4, photo, borderless printing 300 pages
</quote>
300 pages? Is that all?
Oh and measekite - have a read of page 28 -
<quote>
2. CLEANING MODE AND AMOUNT OF INK PURGED
To prevent printing problems due to bubbles, dust, or ink clogging, print
head cleaning is performed before the start of printing, except in the
following cases:
- Cleaning on arrival: Performed when the access cover is closed.
- Cleaning by dot count: Performed after ejection of paper (or after
printing on the back side of paper when auto duplex printing is performed).
- Manual cleaning / deep cleaning: Performed manually.
</quote>
and
<quote>
Timer cleaning - 0*2 (Black only) If 24 to 60 hours have elapsed since the
previous Black cleaning till the start of the next printing.
</quote>
So, thats a clean cycle performed before each printjob, and a black clean
cycle every 24hours - seems like a huge waste of ink to me.....
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Ron Cohen
Bill said:Oops...you're right, I didn't notice the grin the first time around. And
I should have known better...aren't you one of the no-name paper users?
Pretty much, since I don't use Canon photo paper. Mainly, I use Office Depot
Premium High Gloss, Red River UltraPro and some discontinued Georgia Pacific
Professional Photo Paper along with a bunch of other papers I bought to
sample. I often get carried away buying too much paper, but probably that's
due to having owned several offset print shops where I bought LOTS of paper.
Old habits are hard to break.
Ron
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Bill
Ivor said:<quote>
1-3. Product Life (1) Printer Specified print volume
(I) Print volume A4, photo, borderless printing 300 pages
</quote>
300 pages? Is that all?
That's part of a combined total, not an absolute amount. And the printer
itself may last a lot longer, if the printhead is replaced (not cost
effective though).
Why they quote the same values for both printer and printhead is beyond
me though. The mechanical design of the printers are typical, and should
last for more than 18 said:So, thats a clean cycle performed before each printjob, and a black clean
cycle every 24hours - seems like a huge waste of ink to me.....
I found the Canon's do suck a lot of ink through the cleaning station.
It explains why the volume of ink in their cartridges is so high. And
based on page yields, the Canon ink tanks are not money-savers as the
marketing info suggests, and that's why I refilled the ink tanks.
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Jochen Schmid
I am very well satisfied thus far (9 months).
Today my HP failed while printing an important document. Print head
failure of th color cartridge. I had the choice of buying a new
cartridge or buying a new printer. I chose the second option -- Canon
iP4000.
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measekite
Jochen said:Today my HP failed while printing an important document. Print head
failure of th color cartridge. I had the choice of buying a new
cartridge or buying a new printer. I chose the second option -- Canon
iP4000.
You made a great choice. It is a great printer.