Canon CLI-8/PGI-5 resetter question

[IntergalacticExpandingPanda]

My experience of life tells me that if I hold a spare part ready at home
then that
spare part is never needed. If I need a spare then inevitably it will be
at a time
when the shops are closed.
I hold spares for both my boiler and my freezer neither of which have gone
wrong in 15 years.
On this basis the Redsetter will last forever.

Well, obviously so. If there ever reached the point that I needed to
replace the batteries, odds are I'd either upgrade to AAA cells, or go
with a voltage regulator and USB power.

 

[measekite]

The iP5000 was given away in perfect condition to a neighbour, and the
iP4000, in perfect condition, is yours for a mere $500 or 5 sets of Canon
OEM cartidges... Take your pick.

I've been successfully refilling since 1995 (13 years). And because of
Canon's buggy, tempermental, cartridge chip fiasco, there's even more
reason than ever to refill and reset them at home. I can't rely on Canon
to give me reliably working AND monitoring printers. When the sensor system
****s up, the printer stops working. THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE BY ANY
STANDARD!

-Taliesyn

How did they let you stay in high school at the age of 22.

 

[measekite]

Indeed, I feel similarly with any chipped cartridge... Of course, that
would defeat the whole reason they put the chip there to begin with (in
spite of what they may claim).

With Epsons, which I have a lot more experience with, I have seen many
chip and chip firmware related problems, as well as hardware related
problems related to the chips. I find it ironic that purchasers end up
paying extra for the printer, and the ink cartridges, and have
additional issues with their printers so that they can be forced to buy
the manufacturer's ink. "What a 'country'!" ;-)

Art

The above top posted statement is incorrect. The mfgs are not forcing
anybody to use the correct ink. There are many jerks that do not follow
the advice of the mfg and get lousy results but either they lie about what
they get or they are unknowingly willing to accept poorer results and
enjoy complaining and having issues with their printers.

The majority of printer users do in fact use OEM productgs.

 

[Taliesyn]

The above top posted statement is incorrect. The mfgs are not forcing
anybody to use the correct ink.

That's why they placed the chips on the cartridges, stupid. People HAVE
to buy BRAND NEW MANUFACTURER'S CARTRIDGES or lose ink metering. That is
"force" by any definition of the word!

There are many jerks that do not follow the advice of the mfg.

The manufacturer's advice is to pay an incredible $100+ CAD for a set of
new (Canon) cartridges. I don't subscribe to this sort of robbery since
it's also the price of a brand new printer - with cartridges included!

and get lousy results

Been using refilled cartridges/prefilled cartridges for 13 years. If I
didn't like the quality, durability, concern for the printer, I would
have stopped 12 years ago. Obviously I have seen nothing that would sway
my opinion. I'm very happy and have saved thousands of dollars over the
years. Basically every printer I buy now is technically "free" because
of the years of money saved not using OEM cartridges.

but either they lie about what they get or they are
unknowingly willing to accept poorer results and enjoy complaining and
having issues with their printers.

What issues? Printers are cheaper than the ink. Even the brand new
iP4600 can be bought for less than the price of a set of expensive new
Canon cartridges. I don't register with the mfg, I buy a 1-3 year
automatic replacement warranty from the store. Never had to use it
though. However, I will not deal with the mfg. Last (and only time I
will ever call them) they told me to bring my printer to a service
center. Right! What am I supposed to print with for 3-4 weeks? That
1950's kind of customer service just won't cut it in this modern world.

-Taliesyn

 

[IntergalacticExpandingPanda]

The above top posted statement is incorrect.  The mfgs are not forcing
anybody to use the correct ink.  There are many jerks that do not follow
the advice of the mfg and get lousy results but either they lie about what
they get or they are unknowingly willing to accept poorer results and
enjoy complaining and having issues with their printers.

The majority of printer users do in fact use OEM productgs.

If the majority of printer users use OEM, then why the switch to the
chips? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the majority use OEM, not because
it's an informed choice but because they don't know there are
options.

By your logic, we should be using OEM oil for our cars. Ford oil for
a Ford car, Toyota oil for a Toyota. But as a matter of law they
can't make use of their product a condition of the warranty.

But if you're going to use the logic of the majority of printer users,
the majority of printer users don't need archival ink all the time.
Likely the main application for a printer is text with a dab of
color. You don't need OEM to do this.

The chips serve one purpose, to lock the end user into buying their
ink, to maintain the monopoly. With the Canon design, chips are NOT
required since they use a prism to indicate whether the cartridges are
full or close to empty (20%). In fact the prism is still the major
indicator.

The thing you refuse to get is it's our printer. The manufacturer has
NO business forcing us to use their consumables.

 

[measekite]

That's why they placed the chips on the cartridges, stupid. People HAVE
to buy BRAND NEW MANUFACTURER'S CARTRIDGES or lose ink metering. That is
"force" by any definition of the word!

Chips were placed on the carts to increase functionality. It is a side
benefit to help idiots use the correct ink.

The manufacturer's advice is to pay an incredible $100+ CAD for a set of
new (Canon) cartridges. I don't subscribe to this sort of robbery since
it's also the price of a brand new printer - with cartridges included!

Then buy ink and write with a feather.

Been using refilled cartridges/prefilled cartridges for 13 years. If I

And clogged many printers and put up with lower quality images.

didn't like the quality, durability, concern for the printer, I would
have stopped 12 years ago. Obviously I have seen nothing that would sway
my opinion. I'm very happy and have saved thousands of dollars over the
years. Basically every printer I buy now is technically "free" because
of the years of money saved not using OEM cartridges.
Rationalization


What issues? Printers are cheaper than the ink. Even the brand new
iP4600 can be bought for less than the price of a set of expensive new
Canon cartridges. I don't register with the mfg, I buy a 1-3 year
automatic replacement warranty from the store. Never had to use it
though. However, I will not deal with the mfg. Last (and only time I

Liar. The fact that you bought a printer that was made by the mfg means
that you dealt with the mfg.

 

[measekite]

If the majority of printer users use OEM, then why the switch to the
chips? Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the majority use OEM, not because
it's an informed choice but because they don't know there are
options.

You are nuts. They do know about options.

Option 1: You have a higher risk of clogging your printer.

Option 2: You get lower quality images.

Option 3: You images have a greater risk of fading.

Option 4: It is a big fat mess.

Option 5: You have to support a fly by nite

Option 6: You do not know what you are buying because the fly by nite
will not tell you.

By your logic, we should be using OEM oil for our cars. Ford oil for a
Ford car, Toyota oil for a Toyota. But as a matter of law they can't
make use of their product a condition of the warranty.

Just cause you head comes to a point
Don;t think you are sharp

But if you're going to use the logic of the majority of printer users,
the majority of printer users don't need archival ink all the time.
Likely the main application for a printer is text with a dab of color.
You don't need OEM to do this.

The chips serve one purpose, to lock the end user into buying their ink,
to maintain the monopoly. With the Canon design, chips are NOT required
since they use a prism to indicate whether the cartridges are full or
close to empty (20%). In fact the prism is still the major indicator.

The thing you refuse to get is it's our printer. The manufacturer has
NO business forcing us to use their consumables.

They are not. They are recommending that in order to get the best of what
they designed the ink is part of the system.

 

[IntergalacticExpandingPanda]

Chips were placed on the carts to increase functionality.  It is a side
benefit to help idiots use the correct ink.

What functions are increased by having a chip? From what I've
observed the Canon printers act the same. They estimate how much ink
they use until the prism is uncovered, then they give you the low ink
warning. The ONLY thing you get from the chip is if you swap half
full cartridges, the chip remembers how full it was estimated as
being. Aside from that they do nothing for the end user, other than
require them to spend more money on chips.

Then buy ink and write with a feather.

If you like. I do find I can use the Canon aftermarket ink in my
fountain pen.
Basically every printer I buy now is technically "free" because

Rationalization

A rational choice. OEM ink costs about 10 times that of aftermarket
bulk ink. For average users one can expect to save hundreds of
dollars.

If printhead life is reduced, well, the savings is inexcess of the
value of the printhead, and the value of the printer.

Pigmented black ink enjoys the most benefits from bulk filling since
archival life is not an issue. OEM does a slightly better job than
MIS ink in the highlighter test. KMP ink on the other hand has gotten
some great reviews, and according to Measekite is superior to OEM.

Liar.  The fact that you bought a printer that was made by the mfg means
that you dealt with the mfg.

No. You bought it from a store, not direct from the manufacturer,
unless were talking Canon's e-store.

Right! What am I supposed to print with for 3-4 weeks? That

FYI, I did have a lame canon mp760. It had a paper jam issue. That
time they didn't give me the speech about OEM paper and not being
responsible for damages caused by aftermarket paper. Anyways their
"service" is to ship you a referb replacement, you send back the old
one. Mine arrived via 2nd day air IIRC. If can't pull out the
cartridges, you get a new printer from my understanding.

So, given downtime is under a week.

My Epson experience was dealing with the service center, which took a
couple of weeks for them to say "we'll just give you a referb, with
ink". To be fair, others got referbs by the mail. My issue on the
epson was an overflowing diaper.

 

[IntergalacticExpandingPanda]

You are nuts.  They do know about options.

Option 1:  You have a higher risk of clogging your printer.

Make an informed choice based on other people's experience. This risk
is mitigated.

Option 2:  You get lower quality images.

This may or may not be the case. For MIS ink you have to compare
images side by side to really tell the difference.

Option 3:  You images have a greater risk of fading.

For dye ink, I'm not aware of many archival solutions. Lyson claims
to be. For black pigment ink this is NOT an issue. For color pigment
ink, well that's not an option for the Canon.

Option 4:  It is a big fat mess.

That's an opinion, though I would agree refilling is more messy than
OEM most of the time.

Option 5:  You have to support a fly by nite

A fly by nite is a company that takes your money and isn't around the
next day. Fly by nite. These companies have been around for years.
Pelikan has been around for DECADES.

Option 6:  You do not know what you are buying because the fly by nite
will not tell you.

MIS gives you the option to buy Image-specialists ink.
alotofthings as you pointed out makes it clear their bulk kits contain
formulabs ink. My MediaStreet ink was clearly labeled as such, though
I suspect the manufacturer is actually Image_Specialists. If you must
know who manufactured the ink, you can always buy from a company who
will tell you.

 

[Taliesyn]

Chips were placed on the carts to increase functionality.

Explain this "functionality", and without laughing... heheheeheh, see, I
can't do it. Because the old cartridges were actually more functional and
foolproof than the "functional" chipped ones..... because, the chipped ones
MAL-function!

-Taliesyn

 

[Taliesyn]

You are nuts. They do know about options.

Option 1: You have a higher risk of clogging your printer.

One has a much higher risk of getting misinformation like the above from
trolls. In 13 years I never had any more clogging with aftermarket than
with OEM ink. In fact Canon has 2 printhead cleaning cycles in their
printers because they know Canon ink, like any ink, can clog if printer
isn't used for an extended period of time.

Option 2: You get lower quality images.

OEM costs about 10 times more (depending on source). However, the
quality difference is not 10 times better when using OEM cartridges.
It's not even 10% better. Unless one needs archival quality ink, you're
simply wasting your money. Oh, that's right, you print your own using
OEM ink.

Option 3: You images have a greater risk of fading.

Both OEM and non OEM will fade to nothing if left unprotected to the
elements of the room. That's a known fact. My aftermartket made prints
protected by dark or under glass have no noticeable fading over the many
years.

Option 4: It is a big fat mess.

Getting a drop of ink on your finger is not a "mess". I don't even use
gloves. A beginner might, naturally, get more ink on his/her hands. But
he/she will learn and the next time they may not even use gloves. Common
sense, idiot.

Option 5: You have to support a fly by nite

Or you can choose OEM who are ALWAYS to to rip you off with overpriced
ink cartridges that show empty but are actually half full (personal
experience).

Option 6: You do not know what you are buying because the fly by nite
will not tell you.

I'm buying ink made for my printer line. Do you ask Kraft where they
bought their cheese from? Or Ford, where they got their mufflers from?
Or your Mom, where you came from???? I'd seriously ask that last one...

Just cause you head comes to a point
Don;t think you are sharp

Oh gawd, a recycled joke from the Fifties. Too lame!....

-Taliesyn

 

[measekite]

Make an informed choice based on other people's experience. This risk
is mitigated.

The keyword is mitigated. That means the statement is true and the
tinkerers just need to fool around.

This may or may not be the case. For MIS ink you have to compare images
side by side to really tell the difference.

May or may not be means if you are any type of a serious photographer then
the image quality will not warrant the money you spend on your camera.

Even those who bought a Canon XSi or a Nikon D90 because they really want
high end image quality will not want to use the crap ink that many of the
idiots profess here.

For dye ink, I'm not aware of many archival solutions. Lyson claims to
be. For black pigment ink this is NOT an issue. For color pigment ink,
well that's not an option for the Canon.

You are either a liar or are misinformed. Goto www.canonusa.com and read
about the Canon Pro 9500 and the Canon IPF 5100. They certainly do not
run on oatmeal.

That's an opinion, though I would agree refilling is more messy than OEM
most of the time.

So we have agreement

A fly by nite is a company that takes your money and isn't around the
next day. Fly by nite. These companies have been around for years.
Pelikan has been around for DECADES.

To me a fly by nite is one who sells sub standard stuff and professes to
be as good as what is really recommended and does not PROMINENTLY FULLY
DISCLOSE and fully describe their merchandise.

MIS gives you the option to buy Image-specialists ink. alotofthings as
you pointed out makes it clear their bulk kits contain formulabs ink. My
MediaStreet ink was clearly labeled as such, though I suspect the
manufacturer is actually Image_Specialists. If you must know who
manufactured the ink, you can always buy from a company who will tell
you.

That is not true. They will not tell you the real brand of what they are
selling. They will not label what they sell with the real brand name.
The will not even put a mfg by line on the packaging. I do not think they
even list the country it was mfg in.

 

[measekite]

One has a much higher risk of getting misinformation like the above from
trolls. In 13 years I never had any more clogging with aftermarket than
with OEM ink. In fact Canon has 2 printhead cleaning cycles in their
printers because they know Canon ink, like any ink, can clog if printer
isn't used for an extended period of time.


OEM costs about 10 times more (depending on source). However, the
quality difference is not 10 times better when using OEM cartridges.
It's not even 10% better. Unless one needs archival quality ink, you're
simply wasting your money. Oh, that's right, you print your own using
OEM ink.


Both OEM and non OEM will fade to nothing if left unprotected to the
elements of the room. That's a known fact. My aftermartket made prints
protected by dark or under glass have no noticeable fading over the many
years.


Getting a drop of ink on your finger is not a "mess". I don't even use
gloves. A beginner might, naturally, get more ink on his/her hands. But
he/she will learn and the next time they may not even use gloves. Common
sense, idiot.


Or you can choose OEM who are ALWAYS to to rip you off with overpriced
ink cartridges that show empty but are actually half full (personal
experience).


I'm buying ink made for my printer line. Do you ask Kraft where they
bought their cheese from? Or Ford, where they got their mufflers from?
Or your Mom, where you came from???? I'd seriously ask that last one...


Oh gawd, a recycled joke from the Fifties. Too lame!....

-Taliesyn

You do not want to believe aftermarket trolls.

 

[measekite]

What functions are increased by having a chip? From what I've
observed the Canon printers act the same. They estimate how much ink
they use until the prism is uncovered, then they give you the low ink
warning. The ONLY thing you get from the chip is if you swap half
full cartridges, the chip remembers how full it was estimated as
being. Aside from that they do nothing for the end user, other than
require them to spend more money on chips.


If you like. I do find I can use the Canon aftermarket ink in my
fountain pen.

You are a real liar. Canon does not and never has made aftermarket ink so
it is not possible for you to use it in a fountain pen.

Basically every

printer I buy now is technically "free" because

A rational choice. OEM ink costs about 10 times that of aftermarket
bulk ink. For average users one can expect to save hundreds of dollars.

You may have spent less but you saves crap.

If printhead life is reduced, well, the savings is inexcess of the value
of the printhead, and the value of the printer.

Pigmented black ink enjoys the most benefits from bulk filling since
archival life is not an issue. OEM does a slightly better job than MIS
ink in the highlighter test. KMP ink on the other hand has gotten some
great reviews, and according to Measekite is superior to OEM.

A REAL BIG FAT LIAR FROM A LIAR. NEVER SAID THAT AND NEVER WOULD.

 

[measekite]

Explain this "functionality", and without laughing... heheheeheh, see, I
can't do it. Because the old cartridges were actually more functional and
foolproof than the "functional" chipped ones..... because, the chipped ones
MAL-function!

-Taliesyn

Sound to me like you are a malfunction.

 

[IntergalacticExpandingPanda]

You are a real liar.  Canon does not and never has made aftermarket inkso
it is not possible for you to use it in a fountain pen.

It's marked clearly Canon PGI-5bk. It goes in my canon. I've used
16oz of it. It's canon ink. It works well enough in my fountain
pen.  KMP ink on the other hand has gotten some

A REAL BIG FAT LIAR FROM A LIAR.  NEVER SAID THAT AND NEVER WOULD.

Sorry, you said it twice dude. I spoke about the highlighter test,
you said it's because it's better ink. Hey if you're going to
recommend KMP ink for the Canon, great. I've never tried it. I have
to admit, I've not been 100% pleased with the contrast offered by
Canon OEM, and the aftermarket ink I'm using isn't any better.

 

[Taliesyn]

It's marked clearly Canon PGI-5bk. It goes in my canon. I've used
16oz of it. It's canon ink. It works well enough in my fountain
pen.  KMP ink on the other hand has gotten some

Sorry, you said it twice dude. I spoke about the highlighter test,
you said it's because it's better ink. Hey if you're going to
recommend KMP ink for the Canon, great. I've never tried it. I have
to admit, I've not been 100% pleased with the contrast offered by
Canon OEM, and the aftermarket ink I'm using isn't any better.

Measekite once posted a link to an aftermarket ink seller. Everyone here
thanked him. So it's not the first time he's had a momentary lapse of good
judgement!

-Taliesyn

 

[measekite]

It's marked clearly Canon PGI-5bk. It goes in my canon. I've used
16oz of it. It's canon ink. It works well enough in my fountain
pen.  KMP ink on the other hand has gotten some

Sorry, you said it twice dude. I spoke about the highlighter test,
you said it's because it's better ink. Hey if you're going to
recommend KMP ink for the Canon, great. I've never tried it. I have
to admit, I've not been 100% pleased with the contrast offered by
Canon OEM, and the aftermarket ink I'm using isn't any better.

Please do not answer my posts. Please killfile my posts. You are a
screwball. You are so old that I do not wish to correspond with you ever.

 

[IntergalacticExpandingPanda]

Please do not answer my posts.  Please killfile my posts.  You are a
screwball.  You are so old that I do not wish to correspond with you ever.

Sorry d00d, google has no killfile. So long as I notice you spreading
wildly inaccurate information, like companies like alotofthings not
disclosing what they sell when it's plastered all over the place, I'll
respond.

You may feel free to killfile me though.

And you did recommend KMP ink, you claimed it was better than OEM. It
could be for all I know, I haven't tried it.

 

[measekite]

Sorry d00d, google has no killfile. So long as I notice you spreading
wildly inaccurate information, like companies like alotofthings not
disclosing what they sell when it's plastered all over the place, I'll
respond.

You may feel free to killfile me though.

And you did recommend KMP ink, you claimed it was better than OEM. It
could be for all I know, I haven't tried it.

YOU ARE A FILTHY STINKING LIAR