Can you use PIGMENTED inks in a R200 by either refilling or continuous ink systems?

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Thank you for the lesson in ink formulation and terminology. It is
unfortunate that there is no quick and dirty but accurate way to
describe these differing ink formulations. It could get tedious to type
"pigment colorant in an aqueous base" every time, although I understand
it is descriptively accurate. I suppose the word "base" should be
dropped in our references to inkjet inks, since most standard consumer
inkjet printers use an aqueous, or principally water base. So, it
appears perhaps the best quick reference would be to speak of "pigment
inks", "dye inks", and "hybrid inks", acknowledging that in most cases
these would all be in an aqueous base for the kind of purposes we have
in mind.

Art
 
R200/R300 and R800 are all pigment base, which means you need to
"protect" your print head carefully.

Pigmented inks does not give you the "better" quality, but "Epson's
Durabrite" does - it is pigment ink too, but not as regular pigment.

If you want to switch between dye and pigment ink by using CIS,
here is a very good company providing CIS kit which allows you to print
with pigment and dye ink.
http://www.InkRepublic.com

Their system does great job.

Thank you,
 
The R200/R300 do not use pigment inks.

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R200/R300 and R800 are all pigment base, which means you need to
"protect" your print head carefully.

Pigmented inks does not give you the "better" quality, but "Epson's
Durabrite" does - it is pigment ink too, but not as regular pigment.

If you want to switch between dye and pigment ink by using CIS,
here is a very good company providing CIS kit which allows you to print
with pigment and dye ink.
http://www.InkRepublic.com

Their system does great job.

Thank you,
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The EPSON R200 & R300 both use Epson photo dye inks which are not
pigmented inks.

The EPSON R800, 2200, 4000, 7600 & 9600 all use UltraChrome ink which
is pigmented.

And the C80, C82, C84, C86, C64 & C66 use DuraBrite ink which is also
pigmented.
 
From what I understand, Epson R200, R300, R320, R300M, RX500, RX600,
R800 are all "pigment" nozzle, which mean they are all pigment ready.
(There are pro and con for it, but that's besides the point.)

But that does not mean they "must" use pigment ink.

R200, R300 are using dye ink, they can use pigment too.
R800, 2200 ..etc are UltraChrome, pigment ink, of course they can use
dye too. But that may defeat the purpose of using such a great printer
- R800.

C80, C82, C84, C86, C64 & C66 use DuraBrite ink, again pigment too.

If you would like to use pigment ink with your R200, you "MUST" use
some sort of "Spongeless" bulk ink system for sure.

Pigment ink can easily get clogged hence if your pigment ink sit in
your sponged cartridge longer than some period of time - lets say 5
months, your cartridge is no longer suitable for printing ,and it can
easily clog your nozzle.

I quickly review InkRepublic.com's spongeless cis, it makes sense if
you would like to use pigment ink and their cis along with your R200.
 
I have no association with Ink Republic, and I honestly don't know if
their CIS is better than others, in price, design, or customer service,
but I have been noticing an odd set of coincidences or late.

In this newsgroup, several Photoshop groups, the Epson list and others,
there has been a very sudden rash of unusually positive comments about
this company's product line, and the postings all have several
similarities in their grammatical structure, and the errors within them.

In other words, I think I smell a rat, and maybe several.

So, I am asking you outright, "trendyinc" what is your association with
InkRepublic? Family? Business relation? Know the people involved
personally?

All the "people" (and the email addresses are mostly different) who have
suddenly been posting about InkRepublic's products seem to make similar
factual errors, as an example, the R200 and R300 printers are stated as
using pigment inks. Well, they do not. They use dye colorants.
Durabrite is a pigment colorant ink, as is the Ultrachrome ink set, and
it is used in a number of Epson printers (numerous C and CX series, the
2000P, 2100/2200 the R800). Most Epson printers are/were use dye
colorant inks.

I certainly don't mind when an individual gives a legitimate testimony,
or suggests a product line, as I think the exchange of this type of
information can be helpful. However, I don't like being deceived, or
being taken for a dupe. Although I do not have any evidence, other than
intuition, to base my feelings on (yet), I suggest unless a person can
prove to their satisfaction otherwise, that much, if not all of the
recent commentary regarding InkRepublic's inks and CIS products are
coming from questionable sources, and I further suggest people not base
their decisions on this information.

I have no personal stake in ANY ink, CIS, printer or other system,
personal or financial. I just sense there may be something going on
here that is not fully above board.

If someone can show otherwise, please correct me.

Art
 
Arthur Entlich said:
I have no association with Ink Republic, and I honestly don't know if their
CIS is better than others, in price, design, or customer service, but I have
been noticing an odd set of coincidences or late.

In this newsgroup, several Photoshop groups, the Epson list and others, there
has been a very sudden rash of unusually positive comments about this
company's product line, and the postings all have several similarities in
their grammatical structure, and the errors within them.

In other words, I think I smell a rat, and maybe several.
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I agree with you Art. There are now about three or four folks with very
similar style, all posting through google with yahoo or google emails and
hawking this company. It sure looks like a fraud to me.

Regards,
Bob Headrick
 
The correct general terms are solvent base and aqueous base inks.

The common substitute terms are dye ink and pigment ink.
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But what I'm wondering is how I can get a window sticker for my car
to not fade. The black is especially bad about fading to an ugly
brown in only a few weeks.

Do they make a ultraviolet protection spray that would stop the
fading?

PJ
 
...how I can get a window sticker for my car to not fade.

Do they make a ultraviolet protection spray that would stop the fading?
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Even with a UV coating, I doubt that any desktop printer inks would
survive for very long on a window sticker. You'd need to use a printer
that can take solvent-based inks. They tend to be quite large (the
smallest I've seen being about the size of Epson's largest printer),
expensive and have to have an internal or external filtering/ventilation
system to handle the fumes from the ink.

Jon.
 
Well, I won't go that far. It may be a great product (or not) but the
reviews and promotion appear to be coming from either one person using
different emails, or a group of people with similar intent, and not just
on this group, but on several.

I certainly don't mind, in fact, I like it, when people unassociated
with a company give their honest review of a new product they have used.
But when it begins to look like an advertising campaign with "plants",
then I begin to wonder about the company.

After all, good products flourish by word of mouth by legitimate users
of a product. I just want people to be aware that, since I frequent a
number of printer lists, I have begun to notice this pattern that my
intuition says "something doesn't add up here". At least then they can
seek out other sources for reviews, and perhaps protect themselves from
what may be illegitimate reviews.

Art
 
Dear Sir/Madam,

We are sorry for thsese spam. We have no control with our 3rd party
marketing companies. But already told them to stop this adv.

Again, we apologize for this mess. You all have great holidays.
InkRepublic.com
http://www.InkRepublic.com
(e-mail address removed)
 
I want to make a comment about this issue, since I was in part
responsible for making Ink Republic aware of this problem.

Ink Republic contacted me privately recently in an attempt to be helpful
regarding a request I put out on another list. It had nothing to do
with either 3rd party inks nor CISs.

As a result of that opportunity, I informed them of the amount of
Trolling that was going on on behalf of their company and products in
several of the printing and imaging groups.

They were very fast to respond and expressed some concern, because they
informed me they had received several recent comment from some of the
people visiting their website that those people had been lead their from
postings on several newsgroups and lists. Some of the comments were
apparently positive (about their product, etc) and some were negative
(about the nature of the advertising disguised as mini-reviews, etc.)

I wrote them suggesting that IMHO, this was not helpful to their cause
and they should stop using this type of advertising.

Ink Republic indicated to me that they are mainly a wholesaler, although
they are beginning to consider direct sales, but upon checking into my
comments, they were quite surprised and disappointed at the amount of
this trolling which was going on, and that they had not sanctioned it,
and it was from 3rd party agents that sell their products, and they have
since asked them to please stop doing so.

Ink Republic appears to seriously want to do the right thing, and it
would appear they have been able to somewhat rein in the people involved.

I obviously have no affiliation with the company, and can only state
that the CIS design looks like a progressive step in the right
direction, in that they use ink dampers rather than a converted
cartridge which eliminates the sponge or batting, makes the full ink
supply system visible (the dampers I believe (if the pictures are
showing the production model, clear). Basically, the design is similar
to what Epson themselves use in their large cartridge/carriage printers,
and those tend to work well.

As I have mentioned in other groups, the other side of the CIS issue is
using a collapsible ink sack which works like an IV bag. This
eliminates almost all air to ink contact, and also allows for very even
ink flow. The first company that starts selling their inks in this
fashion, especially for pigment inks, will be truly giving Epson a run
for their money. Some 3rd party large format cartridges are already
designed this way, and could easily be used.

Anyway, I just wanted to explain that it would appear Ink Republic is
trying to do the right thing here, and that as soon as they were made
aware of the problem, they acted upon it as best they could.

I will wait to here more reports about the product itself, hopefully
from some legitimate users.


Art
 
I will wait to here more reports about the product itself,
hopefully
from some legitimate users.
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I spend a lot of time on this forum and others dealing with inkjet
printers, mostly to read and learn from other users. After reading
this thread, I just had to respond.

We do a lot of printing and because of the high cost of using epson
cartridges, we buy generic cartridges. On average I do a clean print
head at least once for each cartridge, sometimes 3 to 5 times (imagine
the ink wasted) for every cartridge I put into our printers (We have 5
printers, all epson). Because of the problems with these cartridges, I
wanted to try a CIS system and knowing that you get what you pay for,
I chose the system from Ink Republic. This is the only system I've
tried, so I don't pretend to know what is good and what is not.
However, in my opinion, Ink Republics system is amazing. Since
installing the system, and so far going through 3 cartridges worth of
ink, I've had absolutly no problems with print quality at all. With
the single cartridges I was constantly having banding problems from
either clogged print nozzels or air in the nozzels. With Ink
Republic's system I have had perfect prints (I'm talking about high
resolution photographs).

The only problems I had were with the first chip set which they
replaced within a couple of days. I also had to do a slight
modification to their installation instructions and do a good cleaning
of the print head (to remove the gunk from the single cartridges).

I plan on installing this system on 2 more of our printers soon.
 
I have mainly heard positive experiences from people who have installed
Ink Republic CIS units. From studying their design, I am impressed with
the approach they have taken, and it does make good sense. The company
seems to be quite responsive to customer needs and issues if and when
they do come up.

I cannot comment on their inks, but some people like them.

They did have some glitches in the system earlier with language and
instruction manaual, but a lot of that seems to have also been resolved
for the North American market, at least.

Considering the number of complaints and issues I had reported to me
regarding other brand of CIS, I thin kInk Republic has created a
reasonably priced solution for those trying to use lower cost bulk inks.

Art
 
Can someone tell me ....

who makes the bottles used in the Ink Rebublic system .... is there a
marking on the bottom ?

Thanks
 
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