Can files be transferred using USB ports?

[rstlne]

What price are you paying for a pci net card? Easily available for a
few pounds here in the UK.

The usb kit quoted is about 8£
if you could get say 3.50£ for a nic (each) and 1£ for the cable and it
would be the same..
But You'll end up paying about what.. 6£ for a nic and 1.50£ for the cable..
That's of course assuming rock bottom prices, as a local computer shop will
charge 5-10£ for the cable..

Dont get me wrong on this.. I def aint knocking our standard IEEE 802.xx(x)
kits are really good and reliable..
I use 11g and rj45 all around the house and I know there is no way that USB
will be stable once I try to run it 20/30/100/+++ feet. But For that user
to simply move files for video encoding then I think this is a great idea..

IF both of his ports are USB2 Compliant, and the Kit works correctly then he
could be chuggin along at 480m..
That kinda dwarfs my 11g (standard? or not yet final?) kit that I am using.

If both of computers have the chips on the motherboard to allow it (and
know for a fact that they were added to some boards 3/ish years ago then he
might get out of this JUST by buying a cable..

Shrug ..

 

[Rod Speed]

The usb kit quoted is about 8£

Thats at the very low end. You would normally pay a lot more
than that, so you arent comparing like with like prices wise.

if you could get say 3.50£ for a nic (each) and 1£ for the cable

Corse you can, and a lot less than that too.

and it would be the same..
But You'll end up paying about what..
6£ for a nic and 1.50£ for the cable..
That's of course assuming rock bottom prices, as a
local computer shop will charge 5-10£ for the cable..

There's plenty of sources of cables for a lot less than that.

Dont get me wrong on this.. I def aint knocking our
standard IEEE 802.xx(x) kits are really good and reliable..

I use 11g and rj45 all around the house and I know there is no way that USB
will be stable once I try to run it 20/30/100/+++ feet. But For that user
to simply move files for video encoding then I think this is a great idea..

Nope, too expensive and too non standard.

IF both of his ports are USB2 Compliant,

Bloody unlikely if it hasnt got NICs standard.

and the Kit works correctly then he could be chuggin along at 480m..

Big if with USB2

That kinda dwarfs my 11g (standard? or not yet final?) kit that I am using.

Irrelevant. The sensible thing to compare it with is wired CAT5

If both of computers have the chips on the motherboard to allow
it (and know for a fact that they were added to some boards 3/ish
years ago then he might get out of this JUST by buying a cable..

And thats almost certain if he has USB2 already.

 

[Lucas Tam]

If both PC's already have USB and neither have a NIC it's not.

If the computers are further than a few feet apart, you'll be paying alot
for a short USB cable : )

 

[Lucas Tam]

Installing a PCI card is not difficult, any idiot can do it.

You've only met the smart idiots.

There are many more "grandmom" types who can barely turn on a PC.

 

[Lucas Tam]

Big if with USB2

Long USB runs need ot be converted to RJ-45 anyways. So unless the
computers are close together, USB network isn't viable.

 

[J. Clarke]

You've only met the smart idiots.

There are many more "grandmom" types who can barely turn on a PC.

And they're supposed to figure out that there is such a thing as USB
networking and then figure out how to set it up and get it working? ROF,L.

 

[rstlne]

If the computers are further than a few feet apart, you'll be paying alot
for a short USB cable : )

If they are > 1M
or probably more along the lines of .8M.. Consdiering that you'll not want
the line to be tight.. It's not a long distance but as I said in other
post.. If he's not wanting to go a long distance then It's a good idea..

 

[rstlne]

Long USB runs need ot be converted to RJ-45 anyways. So unless the
computers are close together, USB network isn't viable.

You guys really Love your NIC's ..
Granted tho, Old dogs dont like new tricks ..

As I said.. If he's going a short path and has usb2 then it's a good thing..

As to computers not having nic's in them meaning they dont have usb2, that's
a silly statement as I do indeed have a motherboard with a usb2 port and no
onboard NIC..

I have made my own null modem cables in the past using wires (just because
it wasnt something I could actually purchase and get within 2 or 3 weeks)..
I have cut cat5 cable and rewired it when I had no crossover adapter (do it
correctly and you dont get signal loss nor a speed drop)
I know what Standard is..
and USB2 is also a standad (tho there are more official terms for it)..

 

[rstlne]

The usb kit quoted is about 8£

Thats at the very low end. You would normally pay a lot more
than that, so you arent comparing like with like prices wise.

It might be low end but it's the NEW Selling price.. Yes you normally would
pay a lot more than that, and you would normally pay about 20£ for a nic
through the dealers that would sell that usb kit at a high price too.

Corse you can, and a lot less than that too.


There's plenty of sources of cables for a lot less than that.

Show me a source for cat5 (with ends and new) Cables for sell at less than
1£..
Show me these nic's (new) for less than 3.50£

I am VERRY interested to see it

 

[J. Clarke]

You guys really Love your NIC's ..
Granted tho, Old dogs dont like new tricks ..

As I said.. If he's going a short path and has usb2 then it's a good
thing..

As to computers not having nic's in them meaning they dont have usb2,
that's a silly statement as I do indeed have a motherboard with a usb2
port and no onboard NIC..

What board is that?

 

[J. Clarke]

It might be low end but it's the NEW Selling price.. Yes you normally
would pay a lot more than that, and you would normally pay about 20£ for a
nic through the dealers that would sell that usb kit at a high price too.



Show me a source for cat5 (with ends and new) Cables for sell at less than
1£..
Show me these nic's (new) for less than 3.50£

I am VERRY interested to see it

Why would one buy new kit when used is so readily available and so cheap?
That's one of the problems with your USB solution--if you're going to use
it then you're pretty much forced to get everything new.

 

[HiC]

Is there a particular reason you don't want to put in network cards?

Initially, I didn't have any previous experience with putting 2
computers together, and thought since I had the USB ports there might
a quick & easy way to use them. There's another issue that I don't
remember whether I have any free pci slots on the one, I'll have to
crack it open and look.

However, in the interim I've discovered that it's possible to transfer
files through the parallel ports. It's a bit pokey, but a $10 cable
and a bit of a wrestling match to get it working and it works like a
charm. Actually slower than burning to a rewriteable and tranferring
over, however it doesn't require me to watch over it once I hit the go
button.

What I'm wondering now is if there are any tweaks to speed up the
parallel port transfer.

 

[Lucas Tam]

Show me a source for cat5 (with ends and new) Cables for sell at less
than 1£..
Show me these nic's (new) for less than 3.50£

I am VERRY interested to see it

Check out:

http://www.canadacomputers.com/networking2.html#net

There is an adapter for 8.50CDN or 3.40127 GBP.

 

[Eric Gisin]

However, in the interim I've discovered that it's possible to transfer
files through the parallel ports. It's a bit pokey, but a $10 cable
and a bit of a wrestling match to get it working and it works like a
charm. Actually slower than burning to a rewriteable and tranferring
over, however it doesn't require me to watch over it once I hit the go
button.

What I'm wondering now is if there are any tweaks to speed up the
parallel port transfer.

Not with a cheap cable, it is 4-bit programmed transfer. There are more
expensive cables that do 8-bit ECP with dma. There are some notes in one of
the Windows Resource Kit manuals.

 

[Rod Speed]

You guys really Love your NIC's ..
Granted tho, Old dogs dont like new tricks ..

Or we've noticed that relatively bulletproof technology like CAT5
now is is a better proposition than kludges like USB 'networking'

As I said.. If he's going a short path and has usb2 then it's a good thing..

Nope, lousy value, too much of a kludge.

As to computers not having nic's in them meaning they dont have usb2,

Never ever said it that absolutely.

that's a silly statement

Yours is a silly misreading of what was actually said.

as I do indeed have a motherboard with a usb2 port and no onboard NIC..

Thats uncommon. Never said it doesnt happen.

I have made my own null modem cables in the past
using wires (just because it wasnt something I could
actually purchase and get within 2 or 3 weeks)..

Irrelevant. They're widely available now and the other approach
too, a crossover adapter used with standard cat5 cables.

I have cut cat5 cable and rewired it when I had no crossover adapter
(do it correctly and you dont get signal loss nor a speed drop)

Irrelevant to what makes sense for him now.

I know what Standard is..
and USB2 is also a standad

Like hell that approach to USB2 networking is.

 

[Rod Speed]

It might be low end but it's the NEW Selling price..
Yes you normally would pay a lot more than that,

So you arent comparing like prices with like.

and you would normally pay about 20£ for a nic through
the dealers that would sell that usb kit at a high price too.

Bullshit. There are plenty selling basic 10/100
NICs for a lot better than that stupid price.

Show me a source for cat5 (with ends
and new) Cables for sell at less than 1£..

I was commenting on your stupid 'a local
computer shop will charge 5-10£ for the cable..'

Show me these nic's (new) for less than 3.50£

I am VERRY interested to see it

You're using a bogus price for the USB2 networking.

 

[Arny Krueger]

NICs aren't necessarily a bad thing. And for extra added *flavor* we now
have quite a few USB-connected NICs - mostly for wireless networking.

Or we've noticed that relatively bulletproof technology like CAT5
now is is a better proposition than kludges like USB 'networking'

USB is what it is. It can be undeniably plug-and-play, but not everybody
seems to have that as their goal. Under XP, it seems to be solid and
flexible.

USB's main advantage for networking is that there is no need to open the box
of a modern PC in order to do the hardware part of the install. From a
software configuration and usage standpoint, it's about the same as
networking over any other kind of network medium.

 

[Rod Speed]

NICs aren't necessarily a bad thing. And for extra added *flavor* we now
have quite a few USB-connected NICs - mostly for wireless networking.

USB is what it is. It can be undeniably plug-and-play,

Its nothing like as plug and play as Cat5 networking.

but not everybody seems to have that as their goal.
Under XP, it seems to be solid and flexible.

Not USB networking using those kludge USB 'networking' systems.

USB's main advantage for networking is that there is no need to open
the box of a modern PC in order to do the hardware part of the install.

Yes, but like I said, if the modern PC has USB2 built in, its usually
got the NIC built in too, so there goes that theoretical advantage.

From a software configuration and usage standpoint, it's about
the same as networking over any other kind of network medium.

Nope, particularly with those USB 'networking' kludges
that involve a special purpose USB 'networking' adapter.

I previously said that if you do need to use USB for some reason,
its generally better to use the USB/ethernet approach instead.

 

[Ricky W. Hunt]

You've only met the smart idiots.

There are many more "grandmom" types who can barely turn on a PC.

One of my favorite stories to tell (which was not really funny because it
turned my Dad off computers for good) was back in the mid-80's (eons ago in
computer time; I don't even think there was a 386 and no Windows of any
kind) when an agriculture place sold him an EXTREMELY overpriced (and very
generic in both hardware and programs) setup with a "custom" program for
farmers to keep track of their crops and yield. My dad never could get past
the first step (I wasn't there at the time and he apparently struggled with
this for a long time) because the first thing that came up on the screen was
"Enter Field #1" to which my Dad kept trying to reply "Corn". (I don't even
remember what it was really asking for but you get the point and the comedy
of errors). It would have been extremely funny had it not turned my Dad, who
is by far the most intelligent human I've ever met, off of computers for
good. The guy who wrote the program should have known better than to use
such a generic descriptor as "field 1" (and I assume the farmer is supposed
to look up in the manual what goes in field 1, which best as I remember was
something like "your name").

 

[Frank Vuotto]

On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 16:02:47 -0500, "Arny Krueger" <[email protected]>

One problem with USB Nics is that they are sometimes not recognized by
the OS and have to be unplugged and repluged. I just bought a dozen
Compaq 10/100's at Computer Geeks for $11 each, they work great but
thankfully, most new motherboard have a networking built in.

Frank /~ http://newmex.com/f10
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