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Arne Vajhøj
Daniel said:
Try google "JIT compiler".
Arne
Try google "JIT compiler".
Arne
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Arne Vajhøj
Nick said:
More access levels, interfaces and delegates seems
to me to be features that makes good OOP easier.
Arne
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Arne Vajhøj
Michael said:
And a lot of other stuff.
Most of the OLE/COM stuff in Windows and Office is C++.
Lots of Windows apps out there are also build using MFC.
And I would not call C++ experimental. It is used in a lot
of production code.
Of course things has progressed since the mid 1980's. Java
learned from and improved from C++. And C# learned from and
improved from Java.
For a typical business application I will absolutely
recommend Java or C# over C++.
But C++ will live on for many years. Because of the bazillions
of lines of code that exist. And because of special requirements
for hardware access or real time characteristics that Java and C#
can not meet.
Arne
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Cholo Lennon
Arne Vajhøj said:
Just some clarification: In C++ you have interfaces (abstract classes) and
delegates (std::tr1::function or boost::function)
Regards
F
Fernando Gómez
Giovanni said:
He. Try SQL Server 2005 Management Studio. It really sucks.
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RFOG
En 21/06/2008 22:24:33 said:
Yes, I agree with that. But you suppose a world centered in x86 arch...
For one PC there are a zillion of other devices that run other
microprocessors and some C++ compilers (CodeWarrior for ColdFire, one that
I know, for example) are very very agressive optimizing and restructures
code avoiding in most cases vtables and so, making more compact code than
a person can do.
But, of course, in most cases in embedded scenarios developers only uses
C++ as a "better C". It is, for example, very absurd to instantiate a
polimorphic class with ten levels of abstraction into a high precision
timer interrupt and deallocate in each interrupt finishing.
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Rudy Velthuis
Alvin said:
That doesn't mean they can't use reference counting as a mechanism, and
if they do, they are reference counted.
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Hendrik Schober
MC said:
http://www.research.att.com/~bs/applications.html
http://www.lextrait.com/vincent/implementations.html
(And look at the first line on that second link. said:
I have been teaching C++ to CS students for years. And,
yes, they're taught Java first, because it's considered
easier to learn. But, no, there's no C# at all in their
curriculum.
Look at the above links.
From my experience (see above) I think this, while it
seems "obviously right", is wrong. My students, having
been taught Java first, have a lot of trouble learning
to pay attention to details like memory, passing strings
per (const) reference etc., because they aren't used to
it. Some told me that only after my course they started
to understand many things in Java.
C++ programmers, OTOH, have no problem picking up Java
or C#.
Schobi
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Hendrik Schober
MC said:
IMO these to paragraphs contradict each other. C makes it a lot
easier to write bad, crashing code, than C++ does.
Schobi
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Alvin Bruney [ASP.NET MVP]
C# can also give you some of that, but C++ is more
'unsafe' code in C#. Doesn't that make it as powerful and as flexible. Or
perhaps unsafe code was removed from C#, if so then I stand corrected.
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Why is it more powerful and more flexible? I thought you could write
'unsafe' code in C#. Doesn't that make it as powerful and as flexible. Or
perhaps unsafe code was removed from C#, if so then I stand corrected.
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Alvin Bruney [ASP.NET MVP]
Huh? Our entire telecommunications industry is written in C and C++
Sleight of hand. I worked for a few years in the telecommunications
industry. C and C++ happen to be entrenched there because at the time that
was the dominant languages. As these pieces get re-written, rest-assured
they won't be re-written in these languages because there's nothing to gain
using these technologies in telecommunications. I know, I've been there.
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Sleight of hand. I worked for a few years in the telecommunications
industry. C and C++ happen to be entrenched there because at the time that
was the dominant languages. As these pieces get re-written, rest-assured
they won't be re-written in these languages because there's nothing to gain
using these technologies in telecommunications. I know, I've been there.
--
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Peter Duniho said:
I think he meant that "C++ is a dying language" in the same way that
FORTRAN and COBOL are "dying languages". Of course, those languages have
been dying for decades and still are in broad use. So C++ could take a
little while to finally kick the bucket too.
As far as embedded systems go, I think you will find that just as C++
superceded assembly and hand-written machine code for embedded systems,
so too is C++ likely to be superceded by some other language. For
example, Java is already in widespread use as a platform language for
mobile phones, and it's not unreasonable to expect that inasmuch as
Windows is the OS for some embedded systems, C# and .NET will wind up
being commonly used in embedded systems as well.
Pete
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Andre Kaufmann
RFOG said:
What about Singularity and Cosmos ?
Andre
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Daniel Boulerice
Thanks for the reply. I'll check into it.
Rudy Velthuis said:
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Daniel Boulerice
Thanks for the reply. I'll check into it.
Arne Vajhøj said:
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Hendrik Schober
Daniel James said:
I wasn't talking about Macchiavelli.
("C++ tries to guard against Murphy, not Machiavelli.")
Schobi
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Giovanni Dicanio
Andre Kaufmann said:
I think that those are *experimental* stuff, not commercial OSes, available
in shops to buy.
The "real" things (Windows, GNU/Linux, Mac OS X OSes) are written in C
and/or C++.
Giovanni
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Rudy Velthuis
Giovanni said:
But it is possible, and it could well be that it is done, also
commercially, one day.
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Arne Vajhøj
Rudy said:
It could. And I am sure it will.
But new mainstream OS's are rather rare. I think the newest
must be Linux from 1991.
It may take some time before the next one shows up.
Arne
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Arne Vajhøj
Hendrik said:
Since C++ support practically all of C then ...
Arne
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Arne Vajhøj
Cholo said:
C# also has abstract classes and even though abstract classes can
be used instead of interfaces, then interfaces especially when
combined with the only inherit from one class but implement
multiple interfaces rules really guide users towards good
OOP style.
TR1 is fine, but strictly speaking it is not C++ yet (it may
be in 2009 rumors say).
Arne