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There is no 30 day trial.
Just because some assume the time required before activation is a trial does
not make it a trial.
You really need to read the EULA.
It is clear you have not or you at least have little understanding of what
you have read.
 
Colin said:
In the US a law is in force upon passage and until a court overturns it. It
is not submitted to any entity for "verification."
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Explain "passage" of a law. Your answer is vague and not clear.
 
Jupiter said:
There is no 30 day trial.
Just because some assume the time required before activation is a trial
does not make it a trial.
You really need to read the EULA.
It is clear you have not or you at least have little understanding of
what you have read.
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If you know so much Juniper, then why is it there?

If I have so little understanding next to your great expanse of
knowledge about this subject, then explain it.
 
"why is it there"
We are talking about what you referred as "30 day trial"
There is no such thing as I already stated so it is not there.
However if you can show us in the EULA where "trial" is referenced...

The 30 days is simply to give the user time to complete setting up the
computer before activation.
Hardware changes can and often do trigger activation.
There is 30 days to take care of those or any other similar issues.

Read the EULA.
I await your reference to "trial" in the EULA
 
Jupiter said:
"why is it there"
We are talking about what you referred as "30 day trial"
There is no such thing as I already stated so it is not there.
However if you can show us in the EULA where "trial" is referenced...

The 30 days is simply to give the user time to complete setting up the
computer before activation.
Hardware changes can and often do trigger activation.
There is 30 days to take care of those or any other similar issues.
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If you don't want to call it a trial, then fine. But what do you call
it then? If the user is setting up and configuring the software for
certain reasons before activation, is that not having a trial run of the
software? What if it doesn't work with some of the user's hardware well
enough, and the user does not want to purchase new hardware for the sole
purpose of running Vista. So then the user decides to remove it and not
purchase it and use it, and they put their old OS back on the machine.
Is that not having a trial run of the software?

So running it on those 30 days for the purpose of setup and
configuration before purchasing it and activation is illegal, right?
 
I notice you can not give reference for "trial".
You are free to ask Microsoft if you want a more definitive answer.
But it is clearly not a trial.
Just because you want to call it, does not make it so.

"So running it on those 30 days for the purpose of setup and configuration
before purchasing it and activation is illegal, right?"
I never suggested any such thing.
Please do not ASSUME I did.

Read the EULA, you will gain some understanding.
If you need further information, consult with a competent lawyer
specializing in software licensing.
 
Jupiter said:
I notice you can not give reference for "trial".
You are free to ask Microsoft if you want a more definitive answer.
But it is clearly not a trial.
Just because you want to call it, does not make it so.
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I never said that MS refers to it as a trial, which means I do not need
to give reference.


Don't want to answer my questions and discuss this like a normal human
being would? I notice your avoidance of my questions and your constant
skirting of the point. Are you in denial? Who has "little or no
understanding" of the topic? All you do in your responses is avoid the
actual topic of this discussion. You should stop discrediting yourself.
"So running it on those 30 days for the purpose of setup and
configuration before purchasing it and activation is illegal, right?"
I never suggested any such thing.
Please do not ASSUME I did.
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This part was not only directed at you. There are others who have been
following and responding to this post, you know.
 
So it is merely you calling it a "trial" to suit you.
It obviously is not a trial.
To repeat what I already stated:
"Read the EULA, you will gain some understanding.
If you need further information, consult with a competent lawyer
specializing in software licensing."
 
Jupiter said:
So it is merely you calling it a "trial" to suit you.
It obviously is not a trial.
To repeat what I already stated:
"Read the EULA, you will gain some understanding.
If you need further information, consult with a competent lawyer
specializing in software licensing."
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How about sticking to the discussion by actually bothering to answer the
rest of my post instead of continuing to prove that you remain in denial?


Don't want to answer my questions and discuss this like a normal human
being would? I notice your avoidance of my questions and your constant
skirting of the point. Are you in denial? Who has "little or no
understanding" of the topic? All you do in your responses is avoid the
actual topic of this discussion. You should stop discrediting yourself.
"So running it on those 30 days for the purpose of setup and
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configuration before purchasing it and activation is illegal, right?"
I never suggested any such thing.
Please do not ASSUME I did.
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This part was not only directed at you. There are others who have been
following and responding to this post, you know.
 
"you remain in denial"
That it is a trial?
Because it is not a trial.

While you seem to believe it is a trial and are unable to prove it.
And you call me in denial when you deny what it clearly true.
Read the EULA.
 
Jupiter:
I may be able to help with the troll. As was posted in an earlier
post, a trial version of Vista should be available sometime after December
1st. As to whether a disk or download I don't remember.
 
Dennis;
Correct.
I think I heard January, but not from any reliable source.

The trial differs because it installs and activates.
But it ceases to function after 120 or 180 days.
Where the retail version will cease to function after 30 days if not
activated.

I am not sure if it will be DVD or download.
If past history is an indicator, the trial will be available to order on DVD
and download.
 
Another way to say it is that trying out software does not make the software
trial software. I am always trying out full versions.
 
Most likely a mailed dvd. I can't imagine the bandwidth needed for a
download copy made available to the public. It has been bad enough for
MSDN, TechNet, and limited programs like CPP.
 
Have you confirmed that a trial will be available or are we still
speculating. I can't download, so I hope you are right with the DVD
availability.
 
Jupiter said:
"you remain in denial"
That it is a trial?
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Well, not just about that, you seem in denial about the entire topic
really, because you won't give even one straight reply to one of my
questions.
Because it is not a trial.
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Fine. Instead of blowing off my responses then, why don't you reply to
them?
 
Dennis said:
Jupiter:
I may be able to help with the troll. As was posted in an earlier
post, a trial version of Vista should be available sometime after
December 1st. As to whether a disk or download I don't remember.
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Hi Dennis.

It's the "troll" here just to thank you for the information.
 
Yes, few enough of the two million or so CPP downloaders contributed a bug
report so that could work if MS decided to view CPP folks as beta testers
and not just pre-release previewers.
 
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