G
Gene E. Bloch
I meant 'wrong'
I meant 'wrong'
S
species8350
I meant 'wrong'
F12 on my machine allows single sessions for a particular boot without
changing the boot order.
What I have been asking is: if I enter F12 then decide to exit, how
can I acieve this without turning off the machine?
G
Gene E. Bloch
OK. I think I use Esc on my machine to do a single session boot, and on my
machine F12 (or maybe it's F11) is for recovery to factory defaults.
Anyway, I clearly misunderstood what you were doing - thanks for waking me
up
Without the manual for your machine, or without looking in person at your
boot process, I can't answer your question.
But what do you mean by "[exit] without turning off the machine"? If you
want to boot into Windows, just choose your regular boot drive. If you want
to just quit, shut the machine off with the switch, if you can't find
anything else. I don't have a manual for that & can't find *anything* on
the Sony site, & obviously I can't do it on my machine without booting, so
I can't both look and answer your post
S
species8350
OK. I think I use Esc on my machine to do a single session boot, and on my
machine F12 (or maybe it's F11) is for recovery to factory defaults.
Anyway, I clearly misunderstood what you were doing - thanks for waking me
up
Without the manual for your machine, or without looking in person at your
boot process, I can't answer your question.
But what do you mean by "[exit] without turning off the machine"? If you
want to boot into Windows, just choose your regular boot drive. If you want
to just quit, shut the machine off with the switch, if you can't find
anything else. I don't have a manual for that & can't find *anything* on
the Sony site, & obviously I can't do it on my machine without booting, so
I can't both look and answer your post
Thanks for replying.
I use a Dell Dimension E 520 machine.
When I press F12 at bootup I arrive at the Boot menu.
If I change my mind and decide to leave this Bootup Menu how can I
achieve this?
I tried using the Esc key, but this had no effect.
In the end, I turned off the machine, then turned in back on.
There must be a better way of comming out of F12, other than turning
off the machine?
Best wishes.
S
R
Ronin
There can only be two possible directions to go from that F12 boot dialog.
You either proceed to boot one or another bootable device or reboot (or shut
down.) If you aren't ready to boot, pressing Ctrl-Alt-Del should reboot it
for you.
You might consider making your CD drive(s) come ahead of the hard drive(s)
in the boot order permanently. To do that, you need to go into BIOS
(sometimes called "Setup"). Usual keys for that are Delete, F1, F2, or F10
(for old Compaqs). In your case, Dell machines usually (maybe always) use
F2.
I always set mine Floppy, Optical drive(s) (CD/DVD, etc.), Hard drive(s).
That way, if the system encounters a bootable CD/DVD it will either boot to
that device or offer to boot to that device before timing out and booting
normally. Unlike the floppy drive, which will hang if the disk isn't
bootable or boot automatically if it is bootable, a non-bootable CD will be
ignored by the system, and usually (maybe always) only offer to boot up the
CD/|DVD.
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Ronin
Thanks for replying.
I use a Dell Dimension E 520 machine.
When I press F12 at bootup I arrive at the Boot menu.
If I change my mind and decide to leave this Bootup Menu how can I
achieve this?
I tried using the Esc key, but this had no effect.
In the end, I turned off the machine, then turned in back on.
There must be a better way of comming out of F12, other than turning
off the machine?
Best wishes.
S
You either proceed to boot one or another bootable device or reboot (or shut
down.) If you aren't ready to boot, pressing Ctrl-Alt-Del should reboot it
for you.
You might consider making your CD drive(s) come ahead of the hard drive(s)
in the boot order permanently. To do that, you need to go into BIOS
(sometimes called "Setup"). Usual keys for that are Delete, F1, F2, or F10
(for old Compaqs). In your case, Dell machines usually (maybe always) use
F2.
I always set mine Floppy, Optical drive(s) (CD/DVD, etc.), Hard drive(s).
That way, if the system encounters a bootable CD/DVD it will either boot to
that device or offer to boot to that device before timing out and booting
normally. Unlike the floppy drive, which will hang if the disk isn't
bootable or boot automatically if it is bootable, a non-bootable CD will be
ignored by the system, and usually (maybe always) only offer to boot up the
CD/|DVD.
-- .
Ronin
OK. I think I use Esc on my machine to do a single session boot, and on my
machine F12 (or maybe it's F11) is for recovery to factory defaults.
Anyway, I clearly misunderstood what you were doing - thanks for waking me
up
Without the manual for your machine, or without looking in person at your
boot process, I can't answer your question.
But what do you mean by "[exit] without turning off the machine"? If you
want to boot into Windows, just choose your regular boot drive. If you
want
to just quit, shut the machine off with the switch, if you can't find
anything else. I don't have a manual for that & can't find *anything* on
the Sony site, & obviously I can't do it on my machine without booting, so
I can't both look and answer your post
Thanks for replying.
I use a Dell Dimension E 520 machine.
When I press F12 at bootup I arrive at the Boot menu.
If I change my mind and decide to leave this Bootup Menu how can I
achieve this?
I tried using the Esc key, but this had no effect.
In the end, I turned off the machine, then turned in back on.
There must be a better way of comming out of F12, other than turning
off the machine?
Best wishes.
S
K
Ken Blake, MVP
My personal view is that it's better to keep the hard drive first in
the boot order, and switch to another device temporarily only when you
need to.
Boot sector viruses are much less common that they used to be, but
that doesn't mean they are never present. And if you accidentally
leave a floppy or CD with a boot sector virus in the drive and you are
set to boot from that drive, you get infected.
Yes, the risk of that problem is probably small these days, but by
keeping the hard drive first in the boot order, you can make the risk
zero.
R
Ronin
You're probably right, and putting it that way I can see the benefits for
most people. Fact is, with the boot managers now built into most systems,
it's not such a big deal. So, I think I'll change my line in the future.
Myself, the only disks I'm going to insert are ones I'm thoroughly familiar
with. Besides, if it has a virus, then it's already made it into my system.
I mean, if it's in the drive already and I don't notice it, it's almost
certainly because I already used the disk in that drive. If it's bootable,
I'm unlikely to have used it except to boot to it. The way I see it, it's
either virus free or it's already done it's job.
Of course, I'd be a lot more paranoid if there were more than a vanishingly
tiny chance that someone else would stick something into my machine. But I
live alone with my wife and our frequently visiting kids are all adults
(more or less), and very respectful of my system (perhaps because I'm the
one who provides and repairs their systems.) No grandkids, yet!
most people. Fact is, with the boot managers now built into most systems,
it's not such a big deal. So, I think I'll change my line in the future.
Myself, the only disks I'm going to insert are ones I'm thoroughly familiar
with. Besides, if it has a virus, then it's already made it into my system.
I mean, if it's in the drive already and I don't notice it, it's almost
certainly because I already used the disk in that drive. If it's bootable,
I'm unlikely to have used it except to boot to it. The way I see it, it's
either virus free or it's already done it's job.
Of course, I'd be a lot more paranoid if there were more than a vanishingly
tiny chance that someone else would stick something into my machine. But I
live alone with my wife and our frequently visiting kids are all adults
(more or less), and very respectful of my system (perhaps because I'm the
one who provides and repairs their systems.) No grandkids, yet!
G
Gene E. Bloch
I meant 'wrong'
OK. I think I use Esc on my machine to do a single session boot, and on my
machine F12 (or maybe it's F11) is for recovery to factory defaults.
Anyway, I clearly misunderstood what you were doing - thanks for waking me
up
Without the manual for your machine, or without looking in person at your
boot process, I can't answer your question.
But what do you mean by "[exit] without turning off the machine"? If you
want to boot into Windows, just choose your regular boot drive. If you want
to just quit, shut the machine off with the switch, if you can't find
anything else. I don't have a manual for that & can't find *anything* on
the Sony site, & obviously I can't do it on my machine without booting, so
I can't both look and answer your post
Thanks for replying.
I use a Dell Dimension E 520 machine.
When I press F12 at bootup I arrive at the Boot menu.
If I change my mind and decide to leave this Bootup Menu how can I
achieve this?
I tried using the Esc key, but this had no effect.
In the end, I turned off the machine, then turned in back on.
There must be a better way of comming out of F12, other than turning
off the machine?
Best wishes.
S
Did I not answer this? Not the answer you want, but the correct answer...
BTW, since my earlier reply, I have, not by any means for the first time,
done a few searches in this computer's help, on the Sony site, and online
for answers to this question: what are the key strokes for getting into the
various boot time options? Meaning before Windows start to boot, i.e.,
while the VAIO logo is visible. I have found *nothing* :-(
I know F2 goes into the usual CMOS setup, and I think (but can't prove it
short of trying) that F10 is the one that gets me into the recovery dialog.
I think there is a key that gets me into the one-time single session boot
that you described, but I can't find it. Other than that, *any* key seems
to get me into a window labeled "Windows Boot Manager". Also, anything that
works sometimes fails - probably because I have a wireless keyboard. The
latter inconsistency slows down the inquiry, as you might guess.
Oh, well, it does bring out my investigative streak
S
species8350
26:33 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
Your boot order is wring
I meant 'wrong'
--
Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom
F12 on my machine allows single sessions for a particular boot without
changing the boot order.
What I have been asking is: if I enter F12 then decide to exit, how
can I acieve this without turning off the machine?
OK. I think I use Esc on my machine to do a single session boot, and on my
machine F12 (or maybe it's F11) is for recovery to factory defaults.
Anyway, I clearly misunderstood what you were doing - thanks for waking me
up
Without the manual for your machine, or without looking in person at your
boot process, I can't answer your question.
But what do you mean by "[exit] without turning off the machine"? If you
want to boot into Windows, just choose your regular boot drive. If youwant
to just quit, shut the machine off with the switch, if you can't find
anything else. I don't have a manual for that & can't find *anything* on
the Sony site, & obviously I can't do it on my machine without booting, so
I can't both look and answer your post
Did I not answer this? Not the answer you want, but the correct answer...
BTW, since my earlier reply, I have, not by any means for the first time,
done a few searches in this computer's help, on the Sony site, and online
for answers to this question: what are the key strokes for getting into the
various boot time options? Meaning before Windows start to boot, i.e.,
while the VAIO logo is visible. I have found *nothing* :-(
I know F2 goes into the usual CMOS setup, and I think (but can't prove it
short of trying) that F10 is the one that gets me into the recovery dialog.
I think there is a key that gets me into the one-time single session boot
that you described, but I can't find it. Other than that, *any* key seems
to get me into a window labeled "Windows Boot Manager". Also, anything that
works sometimes fails - probably because I have a wireless keyboard. The
latter inconsistency slows down the inquiry, as you might guess.
Oh, well, it does bring out my investigative streak
Just a note to thank all of you for providing information that has
helped me to make progress.
Best wishes.
S
G
Gene E. Bloch
26:33 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
Your boot order is wring
I meant 'wrong'
--
Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom
F12 on my machine allows single sessions for a particular boot without
changing the boot order.
What I have been asking is: if I enter F12 then decide to exit, how
can I acieve this without turning off the machine?
OK. I think I use Esc on my machine to do a single session boot, and on my
machine F12 (or maybe it's F11) is for recovery to factory defaults.
Anyway, I clearly misunderstood what you were doing - thanks for waking me
up
Without the manual for your machine, or without looking in person at your
boot process, I can't answer your question.
But what do you mean by "[exit] without turning off the machine"? If you
want to boot into Windows, just choose your regular boot drive. If you want
to just quit, shut the machine off with the switch, if you can't find
anything else. I don't have a manual for that & can't find *anything* on
the Sony site, & obviously I can't do it on my machine without booting, so
I can't both look and answer your post
Thanks for replying.
I use a Dell Dimension E 520 machine.
When I press F12 at bootup I arrive at the Boot menu.
If I change my mind and decide to leave this Bootup Menu how can I
achieve this?
I tried using the Esc key, but this had no effect.
In the end, I turned off the machine, then turned in back on.
There must be a better way of comming out of F12, other than turning
off the machine?
Best wishes.
S
Did I not answer this? Not the answer you want, but the correct answer...
BTW, since my earlier reply, I have, not by any means for the first time,
done a few searches in this computer's help, on the Sony site, and online
for answers to this question: what are the key strokes for getting into the
various boot time options? Meaning before Windows start to boot, i.e.,
while the VAIO logo is visible. I have found *nothing* :-(
I know F2 goes into the usual CMOS setup, and I think (but can't prove it
short of trying) that F10 is the one that gets me into the recovery dialog.
I think there is a key that gets me into the one-time single session boot
that you described, but I can't find it. Other than that, *any* key seems
to get me into a window labeled "Windows Boot Manager". Also, anything that
works sometimes fails - probably because I have a wireless keyboard. The
latter inconsistency slows down the inquiry, as you might guess.
Oh, well, it does bring out my investigative streak
One bit of investigation: I replaced the wireless KB & M by the
manufacturer's original wired keyboard & mouse and the inconsistent
behavior continued.
Time to take a tranquilizer and ignore the problem...
G
Gene E. Bloch
Gene said:On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 03:05:45 -0800 (PST), species8350 wrote:
26:33 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
Your boot order is wring
I meant 'wrong'
--
Gene E. Bloch * * *letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom
F12 on my machine allows single sessions for a particular boot without
changing the boot order.
What I have been asking is: if I enter F12 then decide to exit, how
can I acieve this without turning off the machine?
OK. I think I use Esc on my machine to do a single session boot, and on my
machine F12 (or maybe it's F11) is for recovery to factory defaults.
Anyway, I clearly misunderstood what you were doing - thanks for waking me
up
Without the manual for your machine, or without looking in person at your
boot process, I can't answer your question.
But what do you mean by "[exit] without turning off the machine"? If you
want to boot into Windows, just choose your regular boot drive. If you want
to just quit, shut the machine off with the switch, if you can't find
anything else. I don't have a manual for that & can't find *anything* on
the Sony site, & obviously I can't do it on my machine without booting, so
I can't both look and answer your post
--
Gene E. Bloch * * *letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom
Thanks for replying.
I use a Dell Dimension E 520 machine.
When I press F12 at bootup I arrive at the Boot menu.
If I change my mind and decide to leave this Bootup Menu how can I
achieve this?
I tried using the Esc key, but this had no effect.
In the end, I turned off the machine, then turned in back on.
There must be a better way of comming out of F12, other than turning
off the machine?
Best wishes.
S
Did I not answer this? Not the answer you want, but the correct answer...
BTW, since my earlier reply, I have, not by any means for the first time,
done a few searches in this computer's help, on the Sony site, and online
for answers to this question: what are the key strokes for getting into the
various boot time options? Meaning before Windows start to boot, i.e.,
while the VAIO logo is visible. I have found *nothing* :-(
I know F2 goes into the usual CMOS setup, and I think (but can't prove it
short of trying) that F10 is the one that gets me into the recovery dialog.
I think there is a key that gets me into the one-time single session boot
that you described, but I can't find it. Other than that, *any* key seems
to get me into a window labeled "Windows Boot Manager". Also, anything that
works sometimes fails - probably because I have a wireless keyboard. The
latter inconsistency slows down the inquiry, as you might guess.
Oh, well, it does bring out my investigative streak
One bit of investigation: I replaced the wireless KB & M by the
manufacturer's original wired keyboard & mouse and the inconsistent
behavior continued.
Time to take a tranquilizer and ignore the problem...
Not the way you describe.
1. You can create a dual-boot system so that at boot time you can choose
Windows or the second OS (it could be anything, not just Linux). The Linux
install disk will provide a tool for this, and it's probably a bit
different for each distribution.
2. You can install a free Virtual Machine manager and install another OS
within that. There's no dual boot. To run the second OS, you stat the VM
manager just like any other program and ask it to start the virtual machine
that you installed (or one of them - you can have a few installed). You can
easily move data between the guest and host OS, since both are running
simultaneously; this might not be true in the dual-boot scheme, since some
OSes can't work with some other kinds of disk.
VMware Player and Sun Virtualbox are both free and are said to work well (I
use the VMware one).