Bloody Stupid

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Hey! According to the "Hack Vista" link on the site, Vista and XP hacks are
fully interchangable...

I thought there was something familiar about Vista - But, I just couldn't
quite put my finger on it!
 
Why the hell didn't the Nits at Microsoft built a Vista that could utilise
XP Drivers? Personally i think not doing so was moronic. XP is a good OS we
don't really need Vista unfortunately for some of us its essential that we
know how to install and use it.
It appears that many hardware manufactures have just buried their heads in
the sand as far as producing Vista drivers! the question has to be asked is
this the fault of MS? do they charge for driver certification? (and if so is
it too much)
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Read the same posts when XP was first released - only the names of the
legacy operating system was different.
 
Sharon F said:
Read the same posts when XP was first released - only the names of the
legacy operating system was different.
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XP was far more forgiving and it was possible to force a Driver to install.
Vista 64Bit is a complete pain in the arse.
 
You're full of it. It took them a year to get up to speed. Plus, they
where much less complicated.


Grant said:
Scott said:
[Default] On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:33:30 -0000, "Grant"
Why the hell didn't the Nits at Microsoft built a Vista that could
utilise
XP Drivers? Personally i think not doing so was moronic.....
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I don't recall 9X/Me drivers being compatible with XP.......
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Well i do and hardware manufactures were up to speed much quicker.
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Ludwig said:
I think that anyone who wants to upgrade to Vista should use the tools
provided to eliminate some of the problems if he can before starting. But
then this is only a thought.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/buyorupgrade/upgradeadvisor.mspx
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Go and patronise some one else!I ran that, it did not highlight any soundcard issues, there are Beta
drivers available none of them work. Every time i try a new one Vista
refuses and says the correct driver is installed. Yet the notification tray
clearly states no audio output device installed.
 
Justin said:
You're full of it. It took them a year to get up to speed. Plus, they
where much less complicated.
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At the time i was a full time system builder, repairs and upgrades was what
i was doing all day long. If its complicated then obviously MS has screwed
up and did not learned from past mistakes!
 
Well that's a dumb thing to say. As technology advances, things get more
complicated. Not less complicated.

That's like saying a car made today should be as easy to work on then a car
from 20 years ago. Most things on a car today can't even be fixed by a
human. We need a computer to fix or identify it.

Anyway, enough MS hating propaganda for me for one day. Have fun!
 
Justin said:
Well that's a dumb thing to say. As technology advances, things get more
complicated. Not less complicated.
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Oh clueless one, the point of technological advance is to make life easier
*AND* less complicated for the user.
That's like saying a car made today should be as easy to work on then a
car from 20 years ago. Most things on a car today can't even be fixed by
a human. We need a computer to fix or identify it.
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To days cars are much easier to drive than older car, cars are indeed easier
to work on today that in the past as they are far more reliable and much of
the work carried out is electronic. Yes computers have made the car
mechanics live much easier in many respects.
Anyway, enough MS hating propaganda for me for one day. Have fun!
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I don't hate MS i like there software and how it has made computers
accessible for the masses, i just think that they should sort their OSs out
before release and not use people like me as a BETA tester who has to pay
for the privilege.
 
XP was far more forgiving and it was possible to force a Driver to install.
Vista 64Bit is a complete pain in the arse.
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Agreed. 64 bit is a pain. I tried both 32bit and 64bit Vista but went with
32bit (for now) because of this.
 
Troy said:
"bloody" and "nits" in one paragraph... ugh.. do people really use these
words? i mean, "bloody"?!?!?!?
yes... MS should make sure every possible piece of hardware and software
on the planet works with their OS before they release it... that makes
perfect sense
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I think that approach is questionable. Every day there is
new software and hardware coming onto the market. At some
point you have to have a cut off development and put the
baby to bed, so to speak. The same approach is used in the
design and construction of new buildings. At some point you
have to stop redesigning because of new and improved
technology that comes along and build the bloody thing.
Afterwards, if you want the newer technology then you
integrate it into the structure after it's built. Otherwise,
it would never happen.
 
MattersNot said:
I think that approach is questionable. Every day there is new software and
hardware coming onto the market. At some point you have to have a cut off
development and put the baby to bed, so to speak. The same approach is
used in the design and construction of new buildings. At some point you
have to stop redesigning because of new and improved technology that comes
along and build the bloody thing. Afterwards, if you want the newer
technology then you integrate it into the structure after it's built.
Otherwise, it would never happen.
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I think you are missing the point slightly. New/Newish hardware well if that
has no Vista Drivers available at this this tome then the blame lays firmly
at the hardware manufactures. I'm talking about hardware that the update
advisor suggests will have no problem, but what actually happens is when
Vista is installed the windows driver doesn't work, yet says it is the
correct driver and then in one instance allows a certified driver from a
manufacture to be installed and then refuses to initialise the device saying
the driver is not certified. Also Vista is telling me that the most up to
date C-Media CMI9880 driver is installed, yet the device will not work. And
will not allow a BETA vista driver to be installed.
 
Grant said:
Oh clueless one, the point of technological advance is to make life
easier *AND* less complicated for the user.
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I'm clueless? First you talk about the devs then you talk about the end
users in order to prove a comment about the devs false? You can't even keep
your own story straight! I didn't say anything about being more complicated
for the end user. Open your eyes and learn to read. The drivers are more
complicated for the devs to develop! Get it? Thus it's expected to take
LONGER to DEVELOP for the end users to get in their hands. This was
expected and Vista was made available to devs much earlier on then XP. This
is a reply to your BS generalized lying comment about all XP drivers being
available right away when XP was released.

Was that too complicated for you? Will you be able to keep it straight now?

To days cars are much easier to drive than older car, cars are indeed
easier to work on today that in the past as they are far more reliable and
much of the work carried out is electronic. Yes computers have made the
car mechanics live much easier in many respects.
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Can you comprehend anything? Who said anything about driving? Where did
you read that? Why do you make things up? Why do you lie? Cars are in NO
WAY easier to work on today. You are a complete nut case if you think that
and have absolutely no clue at to what you are talking about. Computers are
not a tool to make a mechanics life easier they are now a REQUIREMENT.

The only thing "Bloody Stupid" around here is the OP's backtracking,
meaningless, flip-flopping nonsense.
 
Justin said:
I'm clueless? First you talk about the devs then you talk about the end
users in order to prove a comment about the devs false? You can't even
keep your own story straight! I didn't say anything about being more
complicated for the end user
You said
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"Well that's a dumb thing to say. As technology advances, things get more
complicated. Not less complicated."You didn't make it clear what the hell you were saying.
Open your eyes and learn to read. The drivers are more complicated for the
devs to develop! Get it? Thus it's expected to take LONGER to DEVELOP for
the end users to get in their hands. This was expected and Vista was made
available to devs much earlier on then XP. This is a reply to your BS
generalized lying comment about all XP drivers being available right away
when XP was released.
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Please quote me as to where i said " all XP drivers being available right
away when XP was released."I didn't say it, you are a blatant LIAR.
Was that too complicated for you? Will you be able to keep it straight
now?



Can you comprehend anything? Who said anything about driving? Where did
you read that? Why do you make things up? Why do you lie? Cars are in
NO WAY easier to work on today. You are a complete nut case if you think
that and have absolutely no clue at to what you are talking about.
Computers are not a tool to make a mechanics life easier they are now a
REQUIREMENT.
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Cars to day *are* much easier to work on ask a mechanic in a properly
equipped garage.Computers a required by mechanics today and they make their lives easier, as
far as physical labour goes some may complain and disagree but that's
because they hanker after the old oily rag days.
 
Grant said:
You said
"Well that's a dumb thing to say. As technology advances, things get more
complicated. Not less complicated."
You didn't make it clear what the hell you were saying.
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There was nothing to make clear. The discussion was about developers. It's
not my fault you can't pay attention to your own conversation.

You said:
"Well i do and hardware manufactures were up to speed much quicker."

You see where YOU say "hardware manufactures". They are responsible for
DEVELOPING their own drivers. This is very, very sad. Are you up to speed
yet?
Please quote me as to where i said " all XP drivers being available right
away when XP was released."
I didn't say it, you are a blatant LIAR.
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There is no need to quote as I wasn't using quotes on anything. You do know
how that works right? I'm guessing you don't. Since you FAILED to properly
quote me, let me fix your mistake.

Justin said:
"This is a reply to your BS generalized lying comment about all XP drivers
being available right away when XP was released."

You see the word generalized? Go look it up. Now let me explain it.

Again, you said:
"Well i do and hardware manufactures were up to speed much quicker."

Really? Much quicker to put out drivers for XP then Vista? Look at a
calendar bud! It's 02/08/07. Vista has been out for only 10 days!!! So
your comment "means" XP drivers were up to speed in less then 10 days.

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cars to day *are* much easier to work on ask a mechanic in a properly
equipped garage.
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Actually, I know two mechanics (one current and one retired). I had them
both read your thread and they both think you're an idiot, a liar and know
nothing about cars. Did you have anything else for me to ask them? Or are
you done?
 
Justin said:
Actually, I know two mechanics (one current and one retired). I had them
both read your thread
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LIAR, childish Unset flame tactic get an imaginary friend to back you up.
Here I'll write you a SIG
"Justin PMA"*
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*Professional Microsoft Apologist.I like simple sigs they suite adolescents.
 
.....and that ends that debate.


Grant said:
LIAR, childish Unset flame tactic get an imaginary friend to back you up.
*Professional Microsoft Apologist.
I like simple sigs they suite adolescents.
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