beta2 XHTML compliance? is this necessary. OR STUPID...read UP MICROSOFT

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Interesting, I just attempted to tracert rhat's servers and got no DNS
replies.

Mike Ober.
 
You know, I've noticed over the years that whenever I called something
STUPID, I later discovered, after I learned a little more about what I was
bitching about, that I just didn't understand the problem...

The same thing could possibly be happening here.

Tom Dacon
Dacon Software Consulting
 
rhat said:
never ending learning process? here?......if you were really in the real
world you would be here then, this is a holiday.....you would be taking a
break, not posting on a off day.
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Just because you write a big ass application doesn't mean you know
everything there is to know about some programming language. This is the
reason I monitor newsgroups to spot things and problems I have not
thought of or did not encounter so far.

And I don't know where you are, but over here it's not a holiday.
 
rhat said:
Well, well. we seem to be getting somewhere here.

If what you say is so, then MS is wrong to be forcing XHTML as the default
setting knowing full well it will break some, if not many, ASP.NET web apps.
THus the reason for the white paper by MS themselves stating that IT WILL
BREAK and the reason we are doing it because of STANDARD'S SAKE.

WOW, such a great reason to break things in Beta 2. MS is essentially
saying, "It's ok if it doesn't work as long as it's standards compliant".
Total and complete nonsense...DO YOU HERE ME MICROSOFT? Someone from the
REAL WORLD is speaking to you. and trying to give you a dose of reality
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I'm just glad MS is finally adhering to some standard. The reason why
pages display in IE and not in another browser is just because IE
doesn't really compy with standards and thus people do IE specific stuff.

So if enforcing a standard breaks your applications just means you
weren't following standards in the first place.
 
rhat said:
There are still lots of pages in IE 6 that don't display properly in
Firefox....
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Mhm... I have never seen a severe case where a browser was able to render a
non-well-formed HTML document but failed in rendering an according XHTML
document. As Brian says, the main problem is CSS support, not support for
XHTML. Firefox' supports larger parts of CSS than MSIE, and MSIE has some
CSS-related bugs like the box-model bug. The problem I see is that you are
designing websites for MSIE and are consequently wondering why they don't
work in another browser.
 
In the REAL WORLD, 90% is NOT good enough...just like 99% is NOT GOOD
ENOUGH
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As mostly is done by people who have this standard, never produce a program.
(You never know what will change tomorrow)

Just my thought,

Cor
 
Rhat,
......if you were really in the real world you would be here then, this is
a holiday.....
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It is clear, you are living in a small world, which is not the world from
the most visitors to this newsgroups (from which a lot live in the same
country as you). Therefore probably the misunderstandings.

Cor
 
The reason why you haven't is because you spend all day here in the
newsgroups.

Do you really have an idea how the real world works? probably not
 
well, the people here in these newsgroups spend all their days here, day in
and day out, blabbing away, and NOT really solving problems NOR are they
accountable for their decision....and that's why they are here, cause they
can't handle the real world
 
Wow, you have raised a nice bit of discussion here. :-)
Requested by WHO? And for WHAT REASON?
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I have to say that I don't know all of them (though as a member of
AspInsiders group I've been also requesting and testing these features in
front rows). :-) But I can guarantee that there has been many of them (not
just our group or MVPS but also the ig customers of MS) and I strongly
believe it is to the better direction and to a damn lot better..

Think about developing a publishing system/CMS). There's no way that you'd
be able to handle all the possible variations what there can be in HTML
support today. It's just how it goes, one single clear standard is better
than bunch of incomplete implementations.
Just SO these people can add it to their resume saying, "SEE, I can do
XHTML" but in reality this XHTML cause these web pages not to display
properly across these browsers
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The fact that your reply says that it will BREAK some browsers means that
beta 2.0 DOES NOT PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS and is going against what MR. BILL
said he would do.
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See the difference between, "PLAYING WELL WITH OTHERS" and just being
"standards complaint" just for the sake of "being standards complaint"
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The first means, "MAKING IT HAPPEN" in the REAL WORLD
The second means, "HOPING it WILL HAPPEN" in the real world as we already
know many browsers DO NOT AGREE ON STANDARDS.
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It is all still configurable (as other guys in these groups have pointed out
too). I can't see what's so hard in it. You should have issues with v1 also
with this argumentation.
 
MVP --> Most VALUELESS Professional (those who can't make in the real world
but spend endless days on the newsgroups thinking they are smart because
they are able to answer the same trivial questions over and over again.,
thereby getting rewarded by MS with an essentially "WORTHLESS" award of 3
letter to add to their signature and all the while STILL, after ALL THESE
YEARS can't get or KEEP a job because all that knowledge doesn't work in the
real world

BETTER:
MWP --> Most WORTHLESS PROFESSIONAL

Get a LIFE and stop hanging around in the newsgroups as see how the real
world works.

You guys are some of the more incompetent people out there. ALL BOOKS, ALL
KNOWLEDGE, ALL THEORY, blah blah, blah

DEAR MVP/MWP:

HERE, READ UP

CODE OF CONDUCT IN THE REAL WORLD:
Actually get it to work and not sit around day in and day out, talking about
problems and theory.
Actually be accountable and responsible for the decisions you make as
opposed to sitting around in the newsgroups "suggesting things and
architecture"
Actually code something that the real world people can use and get PAID
doing it.

The list can go on and on.






Herfried K. Wagner said:
rhat said:
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Rules of Conduct
<URL:http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx>
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You are seriously wasting your time. Flaming MVPs doesn't help at all with
your issues, why don't you take the road to MS's feedback tool at MSDN and
shoot the full load there (unless you are just a troll). That's how you get
your views to their attention.

If you keep this level of output coming, we can nothing but laugh. :-)
 
If all you can do is "laugh", that would be a slight improvement an in the
direction of "recovery" for you guys who can't get a job, much less, keep
one.
 
YOU, YES YOU!!!

Do you know what a *J* *O* *B* is?

You especially sit around in these newsgroups all day long, posting away
which is NOT the same as programming away.

If you did the later, YOU MIGHT be able to GET / KEEP A JOB.

YOU KNOW THEORY, BOOKS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. But you don't REALLY and TRULY
know about programming or "getting it to actually work", do you? NO YOU
DON'T. If you did, you would be here answering the same trivial questions
OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

Why don't you get off these newsgroups for once in while and get over your
newsgroup addiction? HOW MANY YEARS have you been here? How many posts have
you made?

Just how in the world can you tell anyone how to do anything if you have
never done it yourself?

Instead all you have is thousands of posts in your name.

Let me ask you, when you apply for a JOB, do you lists all these post and
TIME WASTED flipping around in the newsgroups 7 days a week, 365 days a year
as you don't really have anything else to show for yourself.







MWP = Most WORTHLESS Professionals WHO CAN"T GET/KEEP a J.O.B.

HERE, READ UP your MVP and to the NEWGROUP ADDICTED

CODE OF CONDUCT IN THE REAL WORLD:
Actually get it to work and not sit around day in and day out, talking about
problems and theory.
Actually be accountable and responsible for the decisions you make as
opposed to sitting around in the newsgroups "suggesting things and
architecture"
Actually code something that the real world people can use and get PAID
doing it.
 
Hmmm, can't think what's worse so I'll open it to the floor:
a) A technically good programmer who is prepared to spend their time
answering similar minded peoples questions for zero reward
OR
b) A bitter, twisted, probably intellectually flawed, certainly socially
flawed, individual who has developed an irrational and unqualified hatred of
the above.

You decide.

LOL
 
I know, I do have serious issues when you got MVPs / MWP's who day in and
day out, 365 days a year give advice as if they were *experts* but when in
reality these same people have no real J.O.B. as the spend all day here in
the newsgroups.

Nor have these people ever written a "real world" application that people
use and pay money for yet they think they have the right to tell anyone how
to do their app when they even can't do one themselves. The only thing they
try for, OR can try for, is a 3-letter acronym to add to their signature and
"already" worthless resume by posting constantly so MS will "recognize"
their contributions to the "community". Contributions or CONFUSIONS as these
people have no or very little real world experience and especially couldn't
code an app if their lives depended upon it, but somehow think they know
better than even the worse programmers but at least they have a working app
and they get paid for it and they at least have and know what the 3-letter
acronym J.O.B..is.
 
Interesting conclusion, especially when you know total 0 about person(s) who
you flame. And as you have 0 facts to prove your point (with the so called
XHTML issue). Unfortunately for you, I already have a job (see, I'm doing
this on my spare time) and quite well paid one. And been for a many years.
Who says I work when you think I do?

All I'm wondering is that if You are so seriously working developer, how can
you You also find the time post here a countless number of posts repeating
the same thing over and over. You must be wasting your valuable time too
(and you are also soon out of a job)
 
You know, rhat, it's funny, on the one hand you're saying "... when they
even can't do one themselves. The only thing they
try for, OR can try for, is a 3-letter acronym to add to their signature
and
"already" worthless resume by posting ...." and on the other hand, everyone
is hearing "....blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...."
Isn't it funny how the human mind works to filter out utter crap!
 
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