Best XP HD Defragmenter?

[Greg Hayes/Raxco Software]

And what information have I provided has been not responsible and/or
incorrect?

- Greg/Raxco Software
Microsoft MVP - Windows File System

Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support department.

Want to email me? Delete ntloader.

Well try and act a bit more responsibly.

--
johnf

I didn't. Microsoft did.

MVP and proud of it!

- Greg/Raxco Software
Microsoft MVP - Windows File System

Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support
department.

Want to email me? Delete ntloader.

Yes, and EVERY time anyone mentions DK on this NG you cannot resist
coming back with the same old egotistical Spam.
(Since when did you promote yourself to the title of MVP??)
--
johnf

<snip>

- Greg/Raxco Software
Microsoft MVP - Windows File System

Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support
department.

Want to email me? Delete ntloader.




Agree totally with one exception?
If you run 'boot-time defrag' on Diskeeper, then open ANY app., close
it and then re-open it, it's abt. 4 times faster. That's great, but
if you check the amount of fragmentation after boot-time has run,
it's a mess.
Haven't worked that one out yet.

--
johnf

I have used DK also and currently use O&O. Back in the Amiga
500/2000 days after a defrag I could notice a real speedup
especially at boot time. I have yet (in the past 20 yrs) ever seen
any "noticeable" performance gain with a freshly defragged hd.

IMHO it is much less critical these days with powerful cpu's and
fast hd's to defrag at all.

--

- Charlie


There's two functions I particularly like with Diskeeper.
I have 2 drives, both partitioned, with an OS on the first
partition of each.

1. By booting up in OS1, from there I can defrag the other 3
partitions.

2. If I boot to OS2, I can defrag OS1 from there, which moves
everything after the Paging file to before it, this gives a much
better defrag for those who think their PC really won't run
properly without it.

Wouldn't be without Diskeeper.
--
johnf

Diskeeper will NOT make the driver perfect, it is not designed to
do so. It mearly cleans it up as best it can, and when run
regularly (set and forget) it will keep it fairly well defrag'd.
Only if you run its boot-time defrag w/ all the options set will
it make the drive perfect, and as soon as it's done and XP comes
back up the drive will be fragged again. Don't worry about it.

Norton Speed Disk (for XP) is not as thourough as it used to be
under Win98, it too can only do so much w/ an XP harddrive. [Under
W98 w/ FAT32 it was super fast and very complete; too bad it's not
like that anymore].

PerfectDisk and OODefrag are the other options, and they too are
about the same. Under XP you really can't get a perfect defrag,
and you really don't need it.

BTW, most reviews seem to conclude that DisKeeper is "the Best".

 

[johnf]

Use of blatant Spam as a permanent footer in all your posts for as long as I
can remember, which incidently (as I mentioned before), are almost always
replies to posts recommending Diskeeper.
Frankly, I can't see any point in you having your 'self-promoting' Discaimer
there at all.

--
johnf

And what information have I provided has been not responsible and/or
incorrect?

- Greg/Raxco Software
Microsoft MVP - Windows File System

Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support
department.

Want to email me? Delete ntloader.

Well try and act a bit more responsibly.

--
johnf

I didn't. Microsoft did.

MVP and proud of it!

- Greg/Raxco Software
Microsoft MVP - Windows File System

Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support
department.

Want to email me? Delete ntloader.




Yes, and EVERY time anyone mentions DK on this NG you cannot resist
coming back with the same old egotistical Spam.
(Since when did you promote yourself to the title of MVP??)
--
johnf

<snip>

- Greg/Raxco Software
Microsoft MVP - Windows File System

Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support
department.

Want to email me? Delete ntloader.




Agree totally with one exception?
If you run 'boot-time defrag' on Diskeeper, then open ANY app.,
close it and then re-open it, it's abt. 4 times faster. That's
great, but if you check the amount of fragmentation after
boot-time has run, it's a mess.
Haven't worked that one out yet.

--
johnf

I have used DK also and currently use O&O. Back in the Amiga
500/2000 days after a defrag I could notice a real speedup
especially at boot time. I have yet (in the past 20 yrs) ever seen
any "noticeable" performance gain with a freshly defragged hd.

IMHO it is much less critical these days with powerful cpu's and
fast hd's to defrag at all.

--

- Charlie


There's two functions I particularly like with Diskeeper.
I have 2 drives, both partitioned, with an OS on the first
partition of each.

1. By booting up in OS1, from there I can defrag the other 3
partitions.

2. If I boot to OS2, I can defrag OS1 from there, which moves
everything after the Paging file to before it, this gives a much
better defrag for those who think their PC really won't run
properly without it.

Wouldn't be without Diskeeper.
--
johnf

Diskeeper will NOT make the driver perfect, it is not designed
to do so. It mearly cleans it up as best it can, and when run
regularly (set and forget) it will keep it fairly well defrag'd.
Only if you run its boot-time defrag w/ all the options set will
it make the drive perfect, and as soon as it's done and XP comes
back up the drive will be fragged again. Don't worry about it.

Norton Speed Disk (for XP) is not as thourough as it used to be
under Win98, it too can only do so much w/ an XP harddrive.
[Under W98 w/ FAT32 it was super fast and very complete; too
bad it's not like that anymore].

PerfectDisk and OODefrag are the other options, and they too are
about the same. Under XP you really can't get a perfect defrag,
and you really don't need it.

BTW, most reviews seem to conclude that DisKeeper is "the Best".

 

[Guest]

If you're done flaming him, IMHO his disclaimer is not spam; it's a valid (and valuable) statement to reveal any prejudice or conflict of interest he might be perceived to have as the basis for his comments. The notification that he works for a competitor of Diskeeper is certainly relevant; if you can't see the point of it, perhaps you need to clean your glasses. ;

Bill

----- johnf wrote: ----

Use of blatant Spam as a permanent footer in all your posts for as long as
can remember, which incidently (as I mentioned before), are almost alway
replies to posts recommending Diskeeper
Frankly, I can't see any point in you having your 'self-promoting' Discaime
there at all

-
john

And what information have I provided has been not responsible and/o
incorrect

- Greg/Raxco Softwar

Microsoft MVP - Windows File Syste

Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk -

commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the suppor
department

Want to email me? Delete ntloader
Well try and act a bit more responsibly

- john
I didn't. Microsoft did
MVP and proud of it
- Greg/Raxco Softwar
Microsoft MVP - Windows File Syste
Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk -
commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the suppor
department
Want to email me? Delete ntloader
Yes, and EVERY time anyone mentions DK on this NG you cannot resis
coming back with the same old egotistical Spam
(Since when did you promote yourself to the title of MVP??
-
john
<snip>>>>>>>>>> - Greg/Raxco Softwar
Microsoft MVP - Windows File Syste
Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk -
commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the suppor
department
Want to email me? Delete ntloader
Agree totally with one exception
If you run 'boot-time defrag' on Diskeeper, then open ANY app.
close it and then re-open it, it's abt. 4 times faster. That'
great, but if you check the amount of fragmentation afte
boot-time has run, it's a mess
Haven't worked that one out yet
-
john
I have used DK also and currently use O&O. Back in the Amig
500/2000 days after a defrag I could notice a real speedu
especially at boot time. I have yet (in the past 20 yrs) ever see
any "noticeable" performance gain with a freshly defragged hd
IMHO it is much less critical these days with powerful cpu's an
fast hd's to defrag at all
-
- Charli
There's two functions I particularly like with Diskeeper
I have 2 drives, both partitioned, with an OS on the firs
partition of each
1. By booting up in OS1, from there I can defrag the other
partitions
2. If I boot to OS2, I can defrag OS1 from there, which move
everything after the Paging file to before it, this gives a muc
better defrag for those who think their PC really won't ru
properly without it.
Wouldn't be without Diskeeper.
--
johnf
Diskeeper will NOT make the driver perfect, it is not designed
to do so. It mearly cleans it up as best it can, and when run
regularly (set and forget) it will keep it fairly well defrag'd.
Only if you run its boot-time defrag w/ all the options set will
it make the drive perfect, and as soon as it's done and XP comes
back up the drive will be fragged again. Don't worry about it.
Norton Speed Disk (for XP) is not as thourough as it used to be
under Win98, it too can only do so much w/ an XP harddrive.
[Under W98 w/ FAT32 it was super fast and very complete; too
bad it's not like that anymore].
PerfectDisk and OODefrag are the other options, and they too are
about the same. Under XP you really can't get a perfect defrag,
and you really don't need it.
BTW, most reviews seem to conclude that DisKeeper is "the Best".

 

[Guest]

It's not at all what you said. You said "XP's defrag IS Diskeeper - a basic version designed by Executive Softwar
under contract to MS..." If it's really software that was developed strictly by MS (albeit based on the joint code from the Win2K effort), that's a whole different animal. There's a big difference between a joint development effort and software written under contract. There's an even bigger difference between software based on a prior effort that is further rewritten by one company (MS) independently and the clear (to me, at least) implication that it was developed by another company (Executive Software) without any MS involvement. I hope you didn't intend to be misleading. Perhaps you're just so naive in the field of software development that you don't understand or appreciate the difference, but there is one -- a big one!

Bill

----- johnf wrote: ----

Funny, I thought that was what I said
And who's talking about Windows2000 anyway

-
john

 

[Guydpb]

Diskeeper is certainly one of the best and has a unique "set it an
forget option" which the standard defrag tool included in XP doesn'
have, so I'd give it a rating of 9/10
-
Guydp

 

[Jym]

Greg ,
Why does the Diskkeeper Lite recommend defragging so often , when the
built-in XP defragging software doesn't. I have reverted back to the XP
defrag , do to this inaccuracy. Jym

 

[johnf]

Direct quote from an independent testing body -

History -
Built-in Defragmenter in Windows XP

Executive Software recently celebrated its 20th anniversary as an industry
leader. According to NPD Intellect's Market Tracking, Executive Software's
flagship product, Diskeeper, dominates the enterprise market selling over 90
percent of every network defragmenter sold.

With the 1986 release of Diskeeper, for the VAX VMS operating system,
Executive Software has accumulated 15 years of disk defragmentation
experience with which to call upon while developing its market leading
products.

**** Microsoft asked Executive Software to develop a limited or "lite"
utility for the NT 5 (Win2K) operating systems. ****

That last par seems to agree with what I was saying & certainly doesn't even
imply it was a joint effort.

 

[Guest]

Your comments might be more authoritative if you identified who is the "independent testing body" that you quoted from. In any event, your quote is again talking about Win2K, not WinXP. I realize the heading is "History - Built-in Defragmenter in Windows XP", but the "highlighted" part of your direct quote addresses NT5 (Win2K). It doesn't say the subsequent development of the defragger for WinXP was another such project by Exec Software, which is what you started off alleging. Again, maybe if you pointed us to your source so we could look at the entire quote ourselves, it would be more meaningful; it might even put this issue to rest

Bill

----- johnf wrote: ----

Direct quote from an independent testing body

History
Built-in Defragmenter in Windows X

Executive Software recently celebrated its 20th anniversary as an industr
leader. According to NPD Intellect's Market Tracking, Executive Software'
flagship product, Diskeeper, dominates the enterprise market selling over 9
percent of every network defragmenter sold

With the 1986 release of Diskeeper, for the VAX VMS operating system
Executive Software has accumulated 15 years of disk defragmentatio
experience with which to call upon while developing its market leadin
products

**** Microsoft asked Executive Software to develop a limited or "lite
utility for the NT 5 (Win2K) operating systems. ***

That last par seems to agree with what I was saying & certainly doesn't eve
imply it was a joint effort

-
john

 

[johnf]

Hold off there - you're the one that brought Win2K into this, not me.
I have no intention of wasting time doing your research for you. Get off
your bum and do a Google search the same as I did if you want to find the
source, but be careful, you may just happen to find out you're wrong.

 

[Guest]

I'm the one who brought Win2K into this?? Have you stopped taking your medication lately? Your "direct quote from an independent testing body -" refers to Win2K

"**** Microsoft asked Executive Software to develop a limited or "lite" utility for the NT 5 (Win2K) operating systems. ****

I didn't ask you to do any research for me either. All I asked for was the source for the "research" you claimed to already have done. It seems to me if you really did it you would be able to point someone to the url. This is undoubtedly a losing discussion since it's obvious your only purpose here is to flame everyone you come in contact with. Has anyone ever suggested you stop being such a jerk? (I'm sure it's happened to you so many times you can't count them.) You won't make yourself appear any smarter or better by simply trying to tear down everyone else. Even if they're wrong, you still look small and idiotic because of the way you go about it. Grow up and start acting more responsibily. You might even find people are more receptive to your opinions if you don't come across as the final authority and know-it-all on everything..

Bill

P.S. Don't bother responding, since I'm sure no one is interested in anything else you have to say; I know I'm not!! Just let these people get back to their discussion thread (to which you apparently have nothing more constructive to contribute)

----- johnf wrote: ----

Hold off there - you're the one that brought Win2K into this, not me
I have no intention of wasting time doing your research for you. Get of
your bum and do a Google search the same as I did if you want to find th
source, but be careful, you may just happen to find out you're wrong

-
john

 

[Greg Hayes/Raxco Software]

Diskeeper Lite is designed to sell the full version of Diskeeper. It can't
do too good of a job or people wouldn't want to "upgrade" to the full
version

- Greg/Raxco Software
Microsoft MVP - Windows File System

Disclaimer: I work for Raxco Software, the maker of PerfectDisk - a
commercial defrag utility, as a systems engineer in the support department.

Want to email me? Delete ntloader.

 

[Kristi]

I've been using Diskkeeper 8 today to try defragment my drives.. Its ran
about 20 times now and my drives are still 20% fragmented.. am I doing
something wrong? is there a better alternative? (I'm sure Norton was
better.. but that was a long time ago)..

I missed this thread - I was switching newsreaders and lost the flag. Thus
my "late" reply.

In answer to your subject line question:
When I was playing with Win98, I liked Norton's Speeddisk cause it
ordered files in a seemingly useful manner. Seemingly, I say, because I
was never able to actually notice much of any difference.
When I started playing with WinXP RC1, I tested (and retested) all (I
think) defraggers out there and found PerfectDisk5 to be **by far** the
best, in terms of minimizing re-fragmentation, and improving boot time.
Now I'm on PerfectDisk6 and find:
a) initial defrags are far faster,
b) subsequent defrags are even faster, and
c) my boot time runs about 20 sec

I use the default "smart placement" for all partitions and drives.

I suggest you d/l a free 30 day trial and give it a shot..
hth
Kristi

 

[Lance Jensen]

Diskeeper Lite is essentially the same as the full Diskeeper, using
the same defragment engines; both do essentially the same basic
defragmenting. But Diskeeper Lite includes only the Analyze and
Defragment features. It does not include the scheduling or Boot-Time
Defragment features, so you have to run it manually. It's a free
product that will do the job, so you don't HAVE to buy a defragmenter
if you don't need the extra features.

Lance Jensen
Executive Software Tech Support