Best Printer

[Synapse Syndrome]

Bitmapping.
Application?
Regardless, my printer issue is purely wrt the mechanics involved, not
the print quality. It seems that technology often takes three steps
backwards to advance a step, ie the beeper and peripherals (printers
and scanners and keyboards) of late. They finally achieved a good
working mouse. So one down. A dozen to go.

Even though your knowledge of engineering, science and technology is
probably poor, it's an economics course you need to go on.

These products and becoming more like commodities, and they are not
engineered to the same levels, although they are made in much higher
quantites and are a lot cheaper.

ss.

 

[Stevepppp]

On Feb 25, 5:15 pm, "Synapse Syndrome"

Even though your knowledge of engineering, science and technology is
probably poor, it's an economics course you need to go on.

Evidently not as bad as your grammar and communication skills:

 

[Stevepppp]

On Feb 25, 5:09 pm, "Synapse Syndrome"

So just because a technology is ubiquitous and affordable, it "ain't that
difficult."  Yeah, it really sounds like you have a grasp of what you're
talking about.

Where did I make that ridiculous correlation?

 

[Michael Johnson]

Take a computer course. This feat ain't that difficult in 2008.

If you are so knowledgeable and printer technology is so simple then why
not design and build your own printer? Just cobble it together in your
garage from bailing wire and duct tape.

You're just one of those people that complains about everything and
thinks he can do design/engineering better than the experts. There are
plenty of writing instruments and note pads for sale if the printers
aren't up to your standards of operation.

 

[Arthur Entlich]

Most people who purchase cars just want them to start and run so they
can get from point A to B. You'd think that after a century or so of
making them, and being that they cost 300 or more times the cost of a
color inkjet printer, they should always work, and do so nearly forever,
but, you know, when I look in the Yellow Pages under auto repair, or car
mechanics, the lists go on for pages and pages.

Mechanical devices tend to break down with use. Certain technologies,
like inkjet printers, tend to be more finicky, because the liquid ink
dries out and clogs the thin head channels.

No printer is 100% reliable forever. If you want what could be
considered a relatively reliable technology, black and white laser
printers have proven to be fairly solid, at least those made a few years
back. Today, price point is driving less quality into the build.

If you are willing to pay more, you may be able to get better quality
overall.

Art

 

[TJ]

Take a computer course. This feat ain't that difficult in 2008.

It's like a lot of other stuff, isn't it? Take planes, for example.
Airplanes have been around for over 100 years, yet they still crash from
time to time. What's up with that? Can't they get anything right?

Cars, too. That's even worse. It's been even longer for them, yet
automotive engineers still haven't created one that just works, every
time, without failure. Not even one. What have they been doing all this
time, sitting on their hands?

If I were you, I'd avoid using anything with a mechanical component.
They just aren't reliable enough for you. They all fail, sooner or
later. That would include the on/off switch of your computer. Turn it
off before it lets you down again, and leave it off. Please. The rest of
us will struggle along without you. Save yourself before it's too late.

TJ

 

[Stevepppp]

If you are so knowledgeable and printer technology is so simple

Oh, I'm knowledgeable now? Again the mechanical aspect of getting
paper in one side with an image on the other side faithfully ain't
that complicated.

then why not design and build your own printer?

No time nor interest. We have people who already do it.

Just cobble it together in your garage from bailing wire and duct tape.

Ran out of duct tape after anthrax scare.

You're just one of those people that complains about everything and
thinks he can do design/engineering better than the experts.

All my laser mice work perfect and have for years. Sorry to put a
hole
in your theory.

There are
plenty of writing instruments and note pads for sale if the printers
aren't up to your standards of operation.

Robust paper feed = high standards. [chuckle]

Most people who purchase cars just want them to start and run so they
can get from point A to B. You'd think that after a century or so of
making them, and being that they cost 300 or more times the cost of a
color inkjet printer, they should always work, and do so nearly forever,
but, you know, when I look in the Yellow Pages under auto repair, or car
mechanics, the lists go on for pages and pages.

Precisely my point. 100 years to get a car to work good and it took
humans
30 years to get this far with printers .. a device with 1/100th the
mechanics involved as cars. My Honda car gets me to work and back for
years
without a jam, err AAA call.

No printer is 100% reliable forever.

What is? No argument from me, but you seem to miss the point. I'm not
talking
longevity. I'm talking reliable from the get go and yes to last a few
years
with minimal use.

If you want what could be
considered a relatively reliable technology, black and white laser
printers have proven to be fairly solid, at least those made a few years
back. Today, price point is driving less quality into the build.

True. As I said, printers (keyboards, etc) 10 years ago were more
reliable .. having less sophistication.

If you are willing to pay more, you may be able to get better quality
overall.

Not true with printers and most electronics. The more bells and
whistles,
the more potential for trouble.

It's like a lot of other stuff, isn't it? Take planes, for example.
Airplanes have been around for over 100 years, yet they still crash from
time to time. What's up with that? Can't they get anything right?

Yeah, but the failure rate on 747s is like .0000000001% or less and
there's a
tad more involved than a friggen printer.

If I were you, I'd avoid using anything with a mechanical component.

Not even a can opener? Clickable pen? Toothpick?

They just aren't reliable enough for you. They all fail, sooner or
later. That would include the on/off switch of your computer. Turn it
off before it lets you down again, and leave it off. Please. The rest of
us will struggle along without you. Save yourself before it's too late.

Another nervous doomsdayist [smirk]. Guess I'll have to ask my
librarian to
run copies for me for 25 cents then.

 

[Michael Johnson]

Oh, I'm knowledgeable now? Again the mechanical aspect of getting
paper in one side with an image on the other side faithfully ain't
that complicated.

No time nor interest. We have people who already do it.

Then I guess it isn't so simple after all.

Ran out of duct tape after anthrax scare.

All my laser mice work perfect and have for years. Sorry to put a
hole
in your theory.

You have only found the mouse to have reached perfection? How about
CPUs? They will run for years and years with little, or no, problems.
The same goes for many other electronic devices. BTW, an optical mouse
isn't really a mechanical device any more. There are no moving parts in
them like the old ones with roller balls. I guess this shoots a hole in
your theory and there isn't no perfect mechanical devices after all in
your opinion.

There are
plenty of writing instruments and note pads for sale if the printers
aren't up to your standards of operation.

Robust paper feed = high standards. [chuckle]

Most people who purchase cars just want them to start and run so they
can get from point A to B. You'd think that after a century or so of
making them, and being that they cost 300 or more times the cost of a
color inkjet printer, they should always work, and do so nearly forever,
but, you know, when I look in the Yellow Pages under auto repair, or car
mechanics, the lists go on for pages and pages.

Precisely my point. 100 years to get a car to work good and it took
humans
30 years to get this far with printers .. a device with 1/100th the
mechanics involved as cars. My Honda car gets me to work and back for
years
without a jam, err AAA call.

The electronics in printers have evolved greatly over the years. Just
because you say printers aren't reliable doesn't make that a true
statement. The vast majority of printer users disagree with you. I
haven't had a laser printer fail on me for almost a decade. The reason
I get rid of them is due to the speed increases and capability
improvements. I have an inkjet plotter that has been bullet proof for
over ten years. It is really nothing more than a glorified inkjet
printer that sits on a desktop.

What is? No argument from me, but you seem to miss the point. I'm not
talking
longevity. I'm talking reliable from the get go and yes to last a few
years
with minimal use.

Once again, this is your opinion and not what the vast majority of users
experience.

True. As I said, printers (keyboards, etc) 10 years ago were more
reliable .. having less sophistication.


Not true with printers and most electronics. The more bells and
whistles,
the more potential for trouble.

Do you know about the concept of "duty cycle"? There is a reason they
are given to printing devices and it does tie back to how that printer
is designed and built.

Yeah, but the failure rate on 747s is like .0000000001% or less and
there's a
tad more involved than a friggen printer.

.... and your point is? If the failure of a printer cost human lives
then I'm sure they would have the same failure rate at airplanes and we
probably couldn't afford to buy them.

Not even a can opener? Clickable pen? Toothpick?

Well, you are the one with the issues here not us.

They just aren't reliable enough for you. They all fail, sooner or
later. That would include the on/off switch of your computer. Turn it
off before it lets you down again, and leave it off. Please. The rest of
us will struggle along without you. Save yourself before it's too late.

Another nervous doomsdayist [smirk]. Guess I'll have to ask my
librarian to
run copies for me for 25 cents then.

I'm sure you will still find something to complain about with those 25
copies.

 

[Stevepppp]

You have only found the mouse to have reached perfection?  How about
CPUs?  They will run for years and years with little, or no, problems.

The same goes for many other electronic devices.  BTW, an optical mouse
isn't really a mechanical device any more.  There are no moving parts in
them like the old ones with roller balls.  I guess this shoots a hole in
your theory and there isn't no perfect mechanical devices after all in
your opinion.

Your mouse clicks in infrared? Where can I get one?

The electronics in printers have evolved greatly over the years.  Just
because you say printers aren't reliable doesn't make that a true
statement.

Name one that is reliable. Don't be shy.

 The vast majority of printer users disagree with you.

Coz they lie. My experience is that all 20+ printers I've used suck.

 I
haven't had a laser printer fail on me for almost a decade.

No jams in a decade? No complaints at all? I have some ocean front
property in AZ for sale just for you.

Once again, this is your opinion and not what the vast majority of users
experience.

And you know all their views? Ok God. I know a lot of people who agree
with me, but I don't need to include them. My experience is more
valuable.

Do you know about the concept of "duty cycle"?  There is a reason they
are given to printing devices and it does tie back to how that printer
is designed and built.

Printer duty cycle? Four stroke or two? lol

... and your point is?  If the failure of a printer cost human lives
then I'm sure they would have the same failure rate at airplanes and we
probably couldn't afford to buy them.

The comparison of a thing that has 10000 movable parts to one that has
a dozen or less makes for good humor, and my wife found that one
funny. Thanks for laugh.

Folks again, today's periferals in general (excluding laser mice and a
few other exceptions) ie keyboards printers and scanners etc suck
compared to ten years ago, That is because the companies making them
ship em out half baked. You clowns are just to stupid or afraid or
gullible etc not to make a stink about it.

 

[Burt]

Very nasty tone and hypercritical to the point of misinformation. - are
you related to our resident troll, Measekite? Or just taking lessons from
him.


(snip)

Coz they lie. My experience is that all 20+ printers I've used suck.

Stop using the ones that come in crackerjack boxes and buy a decent printer.

I
haven't had a laser printer fail on me for almost a decade.

No jams in a decade? No complaints at all? I have some ocean front
property in AZ for sale just for you.

HP5p - lasted ten years with fairly heavy use, still working just fine, but
I replaced it with an HP 3005 as it is much faster.
HPIIIp - used it for six years and left it when I sold my office with all
furnishings included.
Neither of these printers had a minute's down time or repair.

(snip)

Do you know about the concept of "duty cycle"? There is a reason they
are given to printing devices and it does tie back to how that printer
is designed and built.

Printer duty cycle? Four stroke or two? lol

Not LOL - more expensive printers generally have heavier duty cycles. Since
you don't know the term, it means the number of pages per given period of
time that it is made to print. Per day, month, etc.

... and your point is? If the failure of a printer cost human lives
then I'm sure they would have the same failure rate at airplanes and we
probably couldn't afford to buy them.

The comparison of a thing that has 10000 movable parts to one that has
a dozen or less makes for good humor, and my wife found that one
funny. Thanks for laugh.

Even devices with no moving parts can fail - pens run out of ink, pencil
lead breaks, etc.

Folks again, today's periferals (Spelling error) in general (excluding laser
mice and a
few other exceptions) ie (correct usage requires parentheses) keyboards
printers and scanners etc suck
compared to ten years ago, That is because the companies making them
ship em out half baked. You clowns are just to (too?) stupid or afraid or
gullible etc not to make a stink about it.

One more angry troll to killfile.

 

[Michael Johnson]

Based on the standards you hold printers to there must not be much in
your life that operates according to your high standards.... including
yourself.

 

[Michael Johnson]

Based on the standards you hold printers to there must not be much in
your life that operates according to your high standards.... including
yourself.

<snip>

 

[TJ]

Based on the standards you hold printers to there must not be much in
your life that operates according to your high standards.... including
yourself.

Michael, you didn't really mean for that to be a reply to Burt, did you?

TJ

 

[Michael Johnson]

Michael, you didn't really mean for that to be a reply to Burt, did you?

No I didn't. I reposted to the intended target. I hoped that would be
clear but thanks for making it so.

 

[Stevepppp]

Very nasty tone and hypercritical to the point of misinformation. - are
you related to our resident troll, Measekite? Or just taking lessons from
him.

Mea who? I'm an optimist .. where/when it's appropriate. Haven't you
noticed? I've already demonstrated my love for laser mice. Hell even
10yo printers are semi-cool. But I'm also pragmatic unlike most here.
I bet the clowns here owned beepers and do texting on their cell
phones with a smile too .. and love thumb rollers as pointing devices.

Stop using the ones that come in crackerjack boxes and buy a decent printer.

Yeah that damn sugared corn really sticks to the teeth .. spoken while
tossing rotten canon inkjets, nasty hp laser printers out the
window .. toys!

HP5p - lasted ten years with fairly heavy use, still working just fine, but

Where ya bin? I've said 10yo printers are the best all along .. get
those cataracts looked at. 8)

Even devices with no moving parts can fail - pens run out of ink, pencil
lead breaks, etc.

So when your gas runs low in your tank you consider your car failing?

One more angry troll to killfile.

You see yourself in your mirror. Your cataracts ain't too bad. Count
your blessings.. spoken like a true optimist

 

[Arthur Entlich]

I bet if you were willing to pay the same cost (in ratio) for your
printer as that 747 it would tend to run more reliably. Jets do have a
few $billion in research (mainly paid by taxpayers) under their belts.

Art

If you are so knowledgeable and printer technology is so simple

Oh, I'm knowledgeable now? Again the mechanical aspect of getting
paper in one side with an image on the other side faithfully ain't
that complicated.

then why not design and build your own printer?

No time nor interest. We have people who already do it.

Just cobble it together in your garage from bailing wire and duct tape.

Ran out of duct tape after anthrax scare.

You're just one of those people that complains about everything and
thinks he can do design/engineering better than the experts.

All my laser mice work perfect and have for years. Sorry to put a
hole
in your theory.

There are
plenty of writing instruments and note pads for sale if the printers
aren't up to your standards of operation.

Robust paper feed = high standards. [chuckle]

Most people who purchase cars just want them to start and run so they
can get from point A to B. You'd think that after a century or so of
making them, and being that they cost 300 or more times the cost of a
color inkjet printer, they should always work, and do so nearly forever,
but, you know, when I look in the Yellow Pages under auto repair, or car
mechanics, the lists go on for pages and pages.

Precisely my point. 100 years to get a car to work good and it took
humans
30 years to get this far with printers .. a device with 1/100th the
mechanics involved as cars. My Honda car gets me to work and back for
years
without a jam, err AAA call.

No printer is 100% reliable forever.

What is? No argument from me, but you seem to miss the point. I'm not
talking
longevity. I'm talking reliable from the get go and yes to last a few
years
with minimal use.

If you want what could be
considered a relatively reliable technology, black and white laser
printers have proven to be fairly solid, at least those made a few years
back. Today, price point is driving less quality into the build.

True. As I said, printers (keyboards, etc) 10 years ago were more
reliable .. having less sophistication.

If you are willing to pay more, you may be able to get better quality
overall.

Not true with printers and most electronics. The more bells and
whistles,
the more potential for trouble.

It's like a lot of other stuff, isn't it? Take planes, for example.
Airplanes have been around for over 100 years, yet they still crash from
time to time. What's up with that? Can't they get anything right?

Yeah, but the failure rate on 747s is like .0000000001% or less and
there's a
tad more involved than a friggen printer.

If I were you, I'd avoid using anything with a mechanical component.

Not even a can opener? Clickable pen? Toothpick?

They just aren't reliable enough for you. They all fail, sooner or
later. That would include the on/off switch of your computer. Turn it
off before it lets you down again, and leave it off. Please. The rest of
us will struggle along without you. Save yourself before it's too late.

Another nervous doomsdayist [smirk]. Guess I'll have to ask my
librarian to
run copies for me for 25 cents then.

 

[Arthur Entlich]

I think if our "friend" who spoke of 747 jets being reliable did a bit
of research, he'd find that they had a few "paper jams" "misfeeds" and
"head clogs" along the way. I, who only fly on jets about once a year
on average, if that, have several stories of failures on 747 jets (and
others) over the last two decades. Obviously, none were fatal, but I
have yet to hear of a death caused by a printer failure either.

I wonder if the term "Space Shuttle" means anything to him. They had
two catastrophic failures, killing all aboard, and those cost hundreds
of millions each.

Could inkjet printers be more reliable? Yeap, with some design changes,
and other alterations that might considerably increase the costly of
them. But then, some printers are quite reliable and are competitive in
price even now.

As to the issue of older models having greater reliability, that's true.
In part it is because the newer models have higher resolution, smaller
dots, faster motors, and partially because instead of raising in cost
with inflation, prices have gone down considerably. Rarely can downward
pricing pressure and higher overall build and qualities go hand in hand.

Art

 

[TJ]

I bet if you were willing to pay the same cost (in ratio) for your
printer as that 747 it would tend to run more reliably. Jets do have a
few $billion in research (mainly paid by taxpayers) under their belts.

Art

Might as well ignore the guy, Art. He just wants to rant.

TJ