Best printer for refills?

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Can anyone tell me what is a good printer that accepts the cheap
refills at the same time? I know most printers can accept refills but
I have an old HP 692c that you have to buy a tool for to open the tank
and it is very messy and hard to do it for, so I want to stay clear of
any printers that it's hard to refill for. I was looking at the Canon
I860 and I560, are these good printers that have cheap refills and
that accept them easily?
 
Can anyone tell me what is a good printer that accepts the cheap
refills at the same time? I know most printers can accept refills but
I have an old HP 692c that you have to buy a tool for to open the tank
and it is very messy and hard to do it for, so I want to stay clear of
any printers that it's hard to refill for. I was looking at the Canon
I860 and I560, are these good printers that have cheap refills and
that accept them easily?
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The current Canon printers are far and above the easiest for refilling,
but be aware that you always run the risk of print head clogging and poor
color match and longevity with third-party inks.

Canons are best for refilling because there are separate ink tanks for
each color, there are no "chips" or other gadgets to prevent you from
using refilled tanks, and the print head is removeable for unclogging if
built-in cleaning measures fail.
 
I have had my i950 about six months now. It is the easiest by far, to
refill, and I have saved over $200 so far. The i860 or i960 would be
the best choices.
 
Mike S. said:
The current Canon printers are far and above the easiest for refilling,
but be aware that you always run the risk of print head clogging and poor
color match and longevity with third-party inks.

Canons are best for refilling because there are separate ink tanks for
each color, there are no "chips" or other gadgets to prevent you from
using refilled tanks, and the print head is removeable for unclogging if
built-in cleaning measures fail.
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Why do 3d party inks have a higher propensity for head clogging? I began
using a refill kit (MIS Assoc), and sure enough, I eventually developed a
severe clog in my i9100 which I could not clear with dynamite (tried saoking
with windex, even tried using a modified syringe as a plunger). The
photo-magenta was dead. Fortunately, I could still exchange the printer for
a replacement. Is there a 3d party ink which is less prone?
 
Am using the canon s9000 for about 2 years now and have used refill ink from
www.inkgirl.com with GREAT results!!

I have not had any print head clogging - YMMV

I do notice a "slowing" of the ink after about 10 or so refills - at that
time, I just go to the $tore and $pend for a new $et of tanks and off I
go.... - saving $$$ - with quality for my customers....

Color match is good - longevity - - - - depends on how the pics are taken
care of....

Works for me...

Thanks John b
 
Bugs said:
Can anyone tell me what is a good printer that accepts the cheap
refills at the same time? I know most printers can accept refills but
I have an old HP 692c that you have to buy a tool for to open the tank
and it is very messy and hard to do it for, so I want to stay clear of
any printers that it's hard to refill for. I was looking at the Canon
I860 and I560, are these good printers that have cheap refills and
that accept them easily?
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---the message below I replied to other message *but* it can save you
BIG $$$ too --

If you do lot of printing then I think you can save lot of $$$$ by
using CIS (Continuous Ink System) like the link below

http://www.weink.com/ecom/catalog/for_canon_324372_products.htm
http://www.weink.com/ecom/catalog/for_epson_324373_products.htm

There are 3-4 other companies making similar, and the price can be
from $100-300 (the price of the link above go Higher/Lower pretty
often).

I just installed one for my Epson Photo 900 last nite (I paid $64 for
it little over a week ago, and it took them about a week or so to build
the unit for your specific printer). And I am pretty sure you can use
any type of ink you want too, and you can keep on printing for years
without having to replace ink cartridge.

I spent 20 mins sitting in whirl-pool carefully read the instruction,
and it took me about 10 mins to install it and it works right away (it
sure worked yesterday and haven't tried it today yet).
 
HP's are easy enough to refill, the main problem is that the 56/57/58 carts are
small so you have to refill more often than a Canon. There's no disadvantage to
having 3 colours per cartridge though, it seems an advantage to me......take one
cartridge out, peel the top label off, squirt 3 lots of ink into it , put the
label back on, put the cartridge back. The hardest part is resetting the ink
status to 100% but even that's easy with practice.
 
HP's are easy enough to refill, the main problem is that the 56/57/58 carts are
small so you have to refill more often than a Canon. There's no disadvantage to
having 3 colours per cartridge though, it seems an advantage to me......take one
cartridge out, peel the top label off, squirt 3 lots of ink into it , put the
label back on, put the cartridge back. The hardest part is resetting the ink
status to 100% but even that's easy with practice.
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Which inks are you having good luck with for the 57 carts?
 
jb said:
Am using the canon s9000 for about 2 years now and have used refill ink from
www.inkgirl.com with GREAT results!!
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Thanks, interesting site. I see that http://inkgirl.com/1577.htm says
that their concentrated ink "is compatible with all inkjet printers and
plotters".

Does that imply that all inkjets use compatible inks, and that one ink
of sufficient quality will be miscible and interoperable with inks from
all other inkjets ?


Cheers, J/.
 
Does that imply that all inkjets use compatible inks, and that one ink
of sufficient quality will be miscible and interoperable with inks from
all other inkjets ?
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It may be implied but it certainly is not true.

- Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP
 
I'm U.K. based. I get my 6 colour HP ink from
http://www.bs-trading.co.uk/refill-hp-deskjet-ink-cartridges.htm
The black ink in the kit is fine for the 58 photo black, but not for the 56
black text, which I got elsewhere but the company has closed. I think the same
H10 black pigmented ink is sold though at
www.inkcycle.co.uk . I seem to only need about 6x3mls for a colour refill when
the ink status shows about 25% left (cautious or what?) so the ink bottles last
a long time. No problems so far.
 
RogM said:
Which inks are you having good luck with for the 57 carts?
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I don't know what kind of luck you want but I paid $16 for a package
of (8) 60ml bottles or (6) Colors and (3) Blacks which says compatible
with HP PhotoSmart 7350 (the one I have) and many different models from
different manufactures.

So far, it works fine with my HP Photosmart 7350. BTW, I got the
refill package at SAM's Club
 
Thanks, interesting site. I see that http://inkgirl.com/1577.htm says
that their concentrated ink "is compatible with all inkjet printers and
plotters".

Does that imply that all inkjets use compatible inks, and that one ink
of sufficient quality will be miscible and interoperable with inks from
all other inkjets ?
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No, that they have a one size fits all ink formula.

Good ink will be formulated for your particular printer process.
 
PLEASE - the one-ink-fits-all is NOT the way to go !!!!!!!!!! NO-NO-NOWAY
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and, if I'm right (sometimes not) - inkgirl has ink for SPECIFIC printers
and plotters when you order - - - -

Again - (IMHO) the one-ink-for-all-at-Sam's is NOT the way to go -

Good times are here,

thanks Again = John b
 
According to the guy I met at Best Buy from Canon, Canon has decided to
lifetime warrantee their new printhead line. The guy said that, "We had many
complaints about different printers using different printheads, and the
discontuing of the printhead line. People got upset because they couldn't
find printheads for the S-series and other printers that had seperate heads
from the tanks. Now, we are using only 3 types of printheads for the new
line, and we will replace them free if they fail. Just send the printhead in
per the directions in the warrantee paperwork with your printer." I ran home
and checked my paperwork on my new i900d and, sure enough, there it was. I
talked to the guy to express my displeasure with the loss of my S600
printhead. He understood my frustration. He said, "We ran out of printhead
fabricators because our printer line got so diverse. We only produce 3 types
of printheads now. All the new printers take one of the new printhead
types."
I hope Canon lives up to the promise. I have an S600 that has a clogged or
fried nozzle and the printhead costs about 80.00 to replace. The printhead
lasted 1.5 years with light printing.
Joe
 
They sell specific inks for each printer, as you stated. Just they have some
additional inks that are concentrated.

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Yianni
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Addendum:

If an ink is 1:5 concentrated, it means that the final solution contains
only 20% of colorant and chemical additives and 80% of water. Adding the
fact that concentrated inks couldn't be "waterless" this concentration leads
to a lower colorant/additives percentage. Most inks contain about 50%-75% of
water (as in the same page is stated), so only a 1:2-1:4 concentration could
be achieved.

--
 
jb said:
PLEASE - the one-ink-fits-all is NOT the way to go !!!!!!!!!! NO-NO-NOWAY
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and, if I'm right (sometimes not) - inkgirl has ink for SPECIFIC printers
and plotters when you order - - - -

Again - (IMHO) the one-ink-for-all-at-Sam's is NOT the way to go -

Good times are here,

thanks Again = John b
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It may be true if you compare the ink of very regular inkjet printers
with the newer Photo printers, but I don't think it's true with newer
Photo printer. Example, Epson, HP, Canon and many others have several
different models and I don't think they have few dozens different type
of inks for their printers.

The color may vary, the Photo printer may need a thinner ink or
something like that, so the ink for photo printer should work with most
printers, and there is *no* NO-NO-NOWAY.

1. The ink at SAM's Club works with many printers *not* all

2. A good ink for Photo printer should work with many printers, or
probably most printers.

3. I don't think the store selling ink has 100+ different drum of ink
for 100+ different printers.
 
Bugs said:
Can anyone tell me what is a good printer that accepts the cheap
refills at the same time? I know most printers can accept refills but
I have an old HP 692c that you have to buy a tool for to open the tank
and it is very messy and hard to do it for, so I want to stay clear of
any printers that it's hard to refill for. I was looking at the Canon
I860 and I560, are these good printers that have cheap refills and
that accept them easily?
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You can use cheap refills in almost any printer but it is generally
NOT a good idea. Why? We know that at least some third party inks
ARE inferior.
How?
On the www.wilhelm-research.com/ site there is much information on
inks in general. Also there you will find a current and specific PDF
article printed in September of 2003 where third party inks were
tested. This article may be found at www.wilhelm-research.com/ and
http://tinyurl.com/xy59 will take you right to the article but you
must have adobe reader installed to read it. This is a free program
available here http://tinyurl.com/6ip . Wilhelm mentions the specific
inks he compared. The brands tested were from:

1. Amazon Imaging
2. Carrot Ink
3. OA100 (PrintPal)
4. Rainbow logo (a white box with nothing on it except for a rainbow
logo)
5. Canon
6. Epson (information on these last two inks may have been drawn from
previous testing)

As many on Usenet have pointed out many times, you pay your money and
make a choice. The manufacturers ink cost more but items including:

1. Color balance
2. Print longevity
3. Head clogging

are _ALWAYS_ better with the manufacturers own ink. If these items
are not as important to you as cost then, of course, that is certainly
your choice.

YMMV and many will cite anecdotal evidence to the contrary. However,
until someone presents _ACTUAL TEST DATA_ to refute Wilhelm test data
(not anecdotal evidence) then I will trust his site. I tried third
party inks with my Epson and even reported good results here. Except
for color balance, which had to be drastically changed, I thought they
were OK. After using the ink a while, I noticed that even with color
adjustment, the prints did not have the same color balance as Epson
inks. I also had some trouble with head clogging with one set of these
inks. Based on personal experience and testing by
www.wilhelm-research.com/

Personally, I will stick with ink from the manufacturer.
 
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